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AMD's AM2: Athlon 64 FX-62 & X2 5000+

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Pookeyhead 24th May 2006, 07:02 Quote
Better than I expected tbh. Some of those times are up there with the overclocked Yonah. I was expecting AM2 to be a complete waste of time, but as it turns out, just a partial waste of time. Oh well... roll on Conroe.

The multiplier issue never occured to me, but that could be a pain in the ass if you don't want to overclock.... not that anyone on here wouldn't.
Tim S 24th May 2006, 09:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by MiNiMaL_FuSS
Are we expecting much of a price drop om 939 when AM2 establishes itself?
AM2 comes this month, 939 will be gone by Q3 IMO :)
Tim S 24th May 2006, 09:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
i wanna see OC results :(
Sorry, there simply wasn't time, but we will cover overclocking in the motherboard reviews over the next week or so. :)
Tim S 24th May 2006, 09:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
I notice nothing was said about AM2 Opterons. Is AMD staying witrh s940 for their server line? Personally, I'm very happy with my dual 940 Mobo, but I hope AM2 will drive down the price on late model dual core Opteron 2xx's
There was no information made public about Opterons on AM2 - it is not that there aren't any plans, AMD just hasn't disclosed anything yet.
atanum141 24th May 2006, 10:05 Quote
Bigglesworth, did you get to play arround with any of the new 35w cpu's?
Bladestorm 24th May 2006, 10:08 Quote
I would think the bulk of the 939 price drops have already happened - the retailers will have spent the last few months trying to offload it because they knew this was coming and While there might be more yet, its just as likely that prices start rising before long, as people seeking upgrades fight over what supply is left (as has been the case in numerous technologies before)

I was left with a warm glow over my current setup to be honest, £215 cpu, £250 water cooling (which also cools the GPU, quietens the PC in general and is just all-round lovely) which should be performing up there with the £600-700 chips.
Tim S 24th May 2006, 10:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by atanum141
Bigglesworth, did you get to play arround with any of the new 35w cpu's?
Not yet, but I hope to soon.
Kasrkin Guard 24th May 2006, 11:58 Quote
I'm pretty mixed as of now to go AM2 or stick to Socket 939. I suppose it would extend the life of upgrading in the future going AM2, but my thought on that is it is the first revision, so I may aswell wait it out slightly longer, but I'm looking forward to see the results on the new nForce boards soon. :D
Lazlow 24th May 2006, 14:18 Quote
Anyone know what CPU coolers ARE compatible then? As nowhere seems to be stocking AM2 specific coolers...
Tim S 24th May 2006, 14:31 Quote
Anything that uses the old lug system without the need for the clip on the edge of the old retention system will work. If you're screwing to the mobo, you will need to wait for AM2 revisions or an AM2 mounting kit.
Lazlow 24th May 2006, 14:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by bigz
Anything that uses the old lug system without the need for the clip on the edge of the old retention system will work. If you're screwing to the mobo, you will need to wait for AM2 revisions or an AM2 mounting kit.

So would the Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 be suitable?

You must have used the Retail HSF when testing - what do you think of it?
Hamish 24th May 2006, 15:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by MrABC
From the benchmarks i've seen of conroe, I don't think AM2 will beat it purely because conroe is far more efficient.
AMD did release some details about their next major core change (the K8L) but it won't come until they move to 65nm, which will be by end of this year (makes sense I suppose).
qft
k8l on 65nm should be interesting though :D
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Memory speeds are forever fluctuating, but given that both chip companies are now focused on DDR2, expect those prices to fall to below-DDR levels, as demand ramps up
should that be memory prices?
Tim S 24th May 2006, 15:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lazlow
So would the Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 be suitable?
Yes, it should fit fine, as it uses a lug system without a clip.
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You must have used the Retail HSF when testing - what do you think of it?
It seemed alright, it's very similar to the older heatsink with a single clip rather than three clips. :)
Tibby 24th May 2006, 16:04 Quote
This is the best news I could get.

I have been holding off buying a new CPU for a while, and I can now either go with a new cpu, or have the price drop on the s939s.
Tim S 24th May 2006, 16:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
should that be memory prices?
Thanks, bug fixed
olly_lewis 24th May 2006, 16:47 Quote
I would realy like to see faster memory but evne so this is great news, and im stratching my head wondering if i should wait for conroe and if i just let loose on my bank account, could i get both over a 9 month period... have to brush up on my maths
qurious69ss 24th May 2006, 22:04 Quote
The FX62 runs at 2.8ghz, so why OC the core duo to only 2.6ghz?
specofdust 24th May 2006, 22:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by qurious69ss
The FX62 runs at 2.8ghz, so why OC the core duo to only 2.6ghz?

Because a mhz of FX62 isn't worth the same as a mhz of Core duo. I imagine 2.6 was just a nice spot that we can expect many Core duo's to reach, so it's a good comparison point.
Miki01 24th May 2006, 22:40 Quote
Sorry if I sound like a bit of a noob, but I'd like to know if a s939 processor would work on an AM2 motherboard, like, let's say, the Asus M2N32 SLI Deluxe. Again, please excuse me for sounding like a noob, I don't know much and I want to learn.
specofdust 24th May 2006, 22:49 Quote
No problem Miki01. We were all newbs once :)

A socket 939 processer won't work on an AM2 motherboard. This is because the AM2 processors use an extra pin(940) and have a new configuration of the pins. If you're buying an AM2 motherboard, you'll also need DDR2 ram, so you won't be able to re-use your RAM from your socket939 motherboard I'm afraid.
Miki01 24th May 2006, 23:00 Quote
Ah, thank you for your reply. In saying DDR2, do you mean DDR2 ram 'memory type' like this: Corsair Value Select 1024MB PC4200 DDR2 533MHz Memory
specofdust 24th May 2006, 23:13 Quote
That's exactly right yeah. When buying RAM for your socketAM2 motherboard you'll need to get stuff labelled "DDR2" not just "DDR". There will probably be other things you have to look out for as well though, so feel free to run new kit by the folks here for a quick look over to check it'll all work together :)
qurious69ss 24th May 2006, 23:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by specofdust
Because a mhz of FX62 isn't worth the same as a mhz of Core duo. I imagine 2.6 was just a nice spot that we can expect many Core duo's to reach, so it's a good comparison point.

Really? That's weird, I see other sites like anand, toms, tech-report stating that these chips can easily be oc to 3.0ghz with stock cooler.
hitman012 24th May 2006, 23:36 Quote
I think it's because Tim had already done the benchmarks with the Core Duo at 2.6GHz in an earlier review (to compare it clock-for-clock with the FX-60), so they were put in this one just as a point of comparison. As far as I know, the chip went back before he could try benching it against the FX-62 at 2.8GHz.
teamtd11 24th May 2006, 23:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by qurious69ss
Really? That's weird, I see other sites like anand, toms, tech-report stating that these chips can easily be oc to 3.0ghz with stock cooler.
that depends on the motherboard. IIRC in the core duo review. the chip was still cold. but the motherboard could't go any higher
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