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Phanteks PH-TC90LS review

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GuilleAcoustic 1st October 2012, 09:48 Quote
I just have one question, which is a great complain. Why did you test this cooler only with OC cpu ?. This cooler would interest more than one people using case with cooler height limitation, meaning no OC CPU. Not everybody is OC their CPU !! If you put test result in OC situations, the least would be to include test in standard situation, including i3's too.

What's the next step ? Testing an IGP with only Metro 2033 and BF3 with ultra setting and ending saying it's a crap since it can't play them @ 200+ fps ?
Spreadie 1st October 2012, 10:02 Quote
It's hardly relevant to the review, but I'd have the overwhelming desire to fit a different fan. Pull arrangements really do suck! ;)
blacko 1st October 2012, 10:32 Quote
could be an interesting cooler for an unclocked ivy bridge / ITX build.
Combatus 1st October 2012, 11:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
I just have one question, which is a great complain. Why did you test this cooler only with OC cpu ?. This cooler would interest more than one people using case with cooler height limitation, meaning no OC CPU. Not everybody is OC their CPU !! If you put test result in OC situations, the least would be to include test in standard situation, including i3's too.

What's the next step ? Testing an IGP with only Metro 2033 and BF3 with ultra setting and ending saying it's a crap since it can't play them @ 200+ fps ?

Hi GuilleAcoustic. The overclocked CPU is part of our standard CPU cooler test system which we've been using for several years. Yes some people won't be overclocking the CPU but many people will be, especially with the latest mini-ITX hardware and cases promoting overclocked mini-systems. At the end of the day we can't test every setup, and if we went for a really small case, we'd be very limited in the amount of coolers we could add to the comparison. It's just a limitation of testing these products really. However, the results show that this cooler is more than capable of handling an overclocked LGA1155 CPU in a relatively small case with little airflow so it doesn't need a huge leap of faith to assume it will also perform fairly well in an even smaller case, with no overclocking, as you suggested ;)
GuilleAcoustic 1st October 2012, 11:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
Hi GuilleAcoustic. The overclocked CPU is part of our standard CPU cooler test system which we've been using for several years. Yes some people won't be overclocking the CPU but many people will be, especially with the latest mini-ITX hardware and cases promoting overclocked mini-systems. At the end of the day we can't test every setup, and if we went for a really small case, we'd be very limited in the amount of coolers we could add to the comparison. It's just a limitation of testing these products really. However, the results show that this cooler is more than capable of handling an overclocked LGA1155 CPU in a relatively small case with little airflow so it doesn't need a huge leap of faith to assume it will also perform fairly well in an even smaller case, with no overclocking, as you suggested ;)

I get you point, but case size and cpu variety aside, this test could at least present results with the same rig being at stock and being OCed. That's not very hard.

I'm not the only one to think that, and even a French Tech website is talking about your review

here is a translation :
Quote:
Presented at the Gamescom, the Phanteks PH-TC90LS is about to invade the shops, to the delight of lovers of compact radiators.

In theory, since the following test (Source: bit-tech) does not necessarily put forward, with temperatures exceeding a few basic models.

However, the processor is overclocked quite well, and finally, with this type of radiator, we are more targeted at gain in performance and silent toward such stock solutions, which is the case.

With the addition of non-blocking PCI-E Mini ITX, it seems to be a good choice.

Edit: It's a good point to have a worst case scenario test, but when you're reviewing GPU yuo always put OCed result as a "plus". Why should OC result be the only one available for CPU cooler ? They are really not linear and stock cooling capability can't be deducted from your review.

Edit²: Being standard procedure shouldn't mean that you cannot adapt them depending on what you're reviewing. You don't review a ferrari the way you review a mainstrem car. Should be the same with heatsink. It's obvious that it would'n keep quiet and cool with an OC i7.
Valinor 1st October 2012, 14:12 Quote
Slight error on the first page - its weight is listed as 2.73kg, which seems a tad on the heavy side for this cooler. Nice review though.
karbonKid 1st October 2012, 16:46 Quote
Will this cooler fit into a 1u case it you take the fan off?
DreamCatcher 1st October 2012, 19:37 Quote
I wouldn't mind the tested CPU so much as I would care fore a comparison to other coolers of similar hight, e.g. the Big Shuriken 2 or the Prolimatech Samuel 17.
Sloth 1st October 2012, 22:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spreadie
It's hardly relevant to the review, but I'd have the overwhelming desire to fit a different fan. Pull arrangements really do suck! ;)
It'd certainly be interesting to see if fan arrangement would give different numbers, but I believe the fan's been arranged that way to work better in an mITX setting. In a compact case with perhaps only a 120mm intake and the PSU for exhaust drawing air to the cooler is less of an issue, but getting heat away is a little more troublesome. This fan allows the hot air to be blown away from the motherboard and hopefully into either the PSU fan or case vents rather than dumping it all on the motherboard and hoping the positive pressure from the intake fan pushes it out of the case.

In theory. Maybe. It might just make no difference. :D
Spreadie 2nd October 2012, 00:17 Quote
It's entirely possible that it has been designed to perform better in a pull configuration, but every time I have experimented with pull vs push on heatsinks, or rads for that matter, the difference in favour of push has been stark.
fluxtatic 2nd October 2012, 05:42 Quote
Gotta agree that only have OC results is a bit lame. I've seen more than a few reviews of HSFs here that were compatible with, for example, 1155, 2011, and AM3, and all configs were tested, stock and OC. This review feels lazy, like after the last review, the test bed was left OC'd. Rather than testing, resetting the configuration and testing again, this cooler was thrown onto the testbed, the tests were run and that was the end of it.

There are plenty of cases where coolers respond differently at stock vs OC (although it does tend to be more typical that they collapse under OC testing), and given the particulars of this cooler, I think stock testing would have been far more relevant. That is, if I'm so space-limited on my cooler that this is one of few options available, I doubt I'll be looking to overclock much of anything.
Phanteks 2nd October 2012, 18:30 Quote
Hello guys,

I want to thank the Bit Tech Team for the review. I would like to say that the fan placement is incorrect. Many replies about push or pull. In the review the fan is place on the wrong side. This cause the fan to be a little loose causing more noise. The fan is design to push air into the heatsink and not pull. I would like to again thank Bit Tech for the review.
Phanteks 4th October 2012, 23:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by karbonKid
Will this cooler fit into a 1u case it you take the fan off?

hello Karbonkid,

We will be releasing PH-TC90U for 1U servers. it is without the fan. Thank you.
The_Gnu 5th October 2012, 10:12 Quote
Not to be picky but I noticed a small error in the specifications and thought I would just point it out.
It says 2,73KG, but it's supposed to be 0,273KG.

Looks like a nice little cooler.
GuilleAcoustic 5th October 2012, 10:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phanteks
Hello guys,

I want to thank the Bit Tech Team for the review. I would like to say that the fan placement is incorrect. Many replies about push or pull. In the review the fan is place on the wrong side. This cause the fan to be a little loose causing more noise. The fan is design to push air into the heatsink and not pull. I would like to again thank Bit Tech for the review.

That ...

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/6-300x292.jpg

... vs reviewed one ...

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/5-1280x1024.jpg

BT, could you redo the review please, with proper mounting. This could change figures a lot. If you do, please add standard non OC cpu aswell. This cooler deserves a FAIR review. Thanks

EDIT: Just a question ... why does the thumbnails on page 1 show the fan mounted the good way and when you click on them it shows the same picture (with a slightly different angle) with the fan mounted the wrong way ?

Thumbnails (fan pushing) :

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/6-300x292.jpg

Clicked one (fan pulling and slightly diff angle and overexposure):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/6-1280x1024.jpg

Thumbnails (fan pushing):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/4-300x292.jpg

Cliked one (fan pulling and slightly diff angle and overexposure):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/4-1280x1024.jpg

Only the pictures with the fan mounted are that way ... purposly reshoted them when you noticed it was mounted the wrong way ?

If I'm right, I'm really disapointed ....


Thumbnail (no fan) :

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/2-300x292.jpg

Clicked (no fan ... oooh it's the same):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/2-1280x1024.jpg
Combatus 19th March 2013, 16:50 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phanteks
Hello guys,

I want to thank the Bit Tech Team for the review. I would like to say that the fan placement is incorrect. Many replies about push or pull. In the review the fan is place on the wrong side. This cause the fan to be a little loose causing more noise. The fan is design to push air into the heatsink and not pull. I would like to again thank Bit Tech for the review.

That ...

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/6-300x292.jpg

... vs reviewed one ...

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/5-1280x1024.jpg

BT, could you redo the review please, with proper mounting. This could change figures a lot. If you do, please add standard non OC cpu aswell. This cooler deserves a FAIR review. Thanks

EDIT: Just a question ... why does the thumbnails on page 1 show the fan mounted the good way and when you click on them it shows the same picture (with a slightly different angle) with the fan mounted the wrong way ?

Thumbnails (fan pushing) :

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/6-300x292.jpg

Clicked one (fan pulling and slightly diff angle and overexposure):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/6-1280x1024.jpg

Thumbnails (fan pushing):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/4-300x292.jpg

Cliked one (fan pulling and slightly diff angle and overexposure):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/4-1280x1024.jpg

Only the pictures with the fan mounted are that way ... purposly reshoted them when you noticed it was mounted the wrong way ?

If I'm right, I'm really disapointed ....


Thumbnail (no fan) :

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/2-300x292.jpg

Clicked (no fan ... oooh it's the same):

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/10/phanteks-ph-tc90ls-review/2-1280x1024.jpg

I must have missed this comment after we discovered the issue - we'd actually received an email from Phanteks a few days prior to your comment and retested then added an amendment to the article and updated the results, which were better.

It looks like you caught us mid-way through taking new photos too - they all show the cooler with the fan pointing in the correct direction now!
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