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Thermalright Venomous-X CPU Cooler Review

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rickysio 24th January 2010, 10:15 Quote
Lap the base and try again - Thermalright persists in its concave base nonsense.
stonedsurd 24th January 2010, 10:21 Quote
Something's wrong here. Even with unlapped bases, no other review/user on the interwebs has such pathetic results.

What pressure were you guys testing at?
Pookeyhead 24th January 2010, 10:21 Quote
The TRUE they tested would not have had a lapped base either, so it's still a fair comparison between products as they come out of the box.
flibblesan 24th January 2010, 10:22 Quote
Where are the AM2 results?
Taffy 24th January 2010, 10:54 Quote
Where are the AM2, AM3 results +1
MiNiMaL_FuSS 24th January 2010, 11:01 Quote
TRUE still looks to be king (cuddles his TRUE....ouch hot...u git!)
rollo 24th January 2010, 11:05 Quote
Your getting delta temps here that's the main dif between sites

Most just give a base temp
tron 24th January 2010, 11:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by MiNiMaL_FuSS
TRUE still looks to be king (cuddles his TRUE....ouch hot...u git!)

+ 1
bahgger 24th January 2010, 12:20 Quote
First page - "... See if Thermaltake can take back the crown". It's Thermalright chaps!
rickysio 24th January 2010, 13:09 Quote
http://www.ocxtreme.org/opb/venomousX/comparoall.png

^Above image was another shootout by another person - showing an insane decrease in core temps, when the HSF was used on an i7 980 (The 6 core'd i7)
Baz 24th January 2010, 13:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by flibblesan
Where are the AM2 results?

The Venomous-X does not ship with an AM2/3 bracket. hence no AM2/3 results
JCBeastie 24th January 2010, 13:52 Quote
One day Thermalright might catch onto the whole 'heatpipe direct contact' thing and then we'll see something.
Baz 24th January 2010, 13:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by stonedsurd
Something's wrong here. Even with unlapped bases, no other review/user on the interwebs has such pathetic results.

What pressure were you guys testing at?

I thought the issue of the adjustable pressure would crop up. We tested with the maximum pressure possible with the clamp (using the little tool to screw the clamp down as firmly as possible). Any adjustment to lessen the pressure did not result in any real performance improvement.

I was properly surprised by the poor results here, and re-mounted the cooler and reapplied TIM numerous times to try and see an improvement. I even allowed the TIM to cure over a weekend at full load, again with no improvement. We can hardly base a review on what everyone else found, so the review is written based on our testing, which as you can see wasn't too impressive.
perplekks45 24th January 2010, 14:21 Quote
I think it's good that we sometimes have results here that matches exactly none of the other site's results. At least it shows that BT does the testing and is not blinded by hype or marketing. [except with games sometimes... CoD comes to mind]

After all this is not buzzword bingo but a real test. THG did that as well, back in the days.

Great review, guys! ;)
Dave Lister 24th January 2010, 14:24 Quote
I have a design idea for an air cooler, who do i contact to try and sell it ?
Bindibadgi 24th January 2010, 14:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by perplekks45
buzzword bingo

I think we should play this in the office. I'm going to put together a sheet.
mrbens 24th January 2010, 15:45 Quote
I like the sound of buzzword bingo too lol
perplekks45 24th January 2010, 16:01 Quote
We had an external consultant for communications within a company/department at work last week.
He asked my boss about the problems within our own team and department. It was so hard to NOT laugh in his face the whole time. He just listed a lot of nice-sounding words without any meaning or sense.
A colleague of mine and me afterwards decided to actually prepare sheets for next year so we at least got something out of the meeting. ;)
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
I think we should play this in the office. I'm going to put together a sheet.
Bring in a couple of representatives from nVidia/AMD/Intel. Or, possibly even more fun: Apple. ;)
Coldon 24th January 2010, 16:02 Quote
I think BT's testing procedures need to be reviewed, I've had issues with their windows 7 review, almost all other reviews online got small performance increases over vista / xp and yet BT was the only site that showed a performance decrease across the board.

Almost all reviews of the venomous X on overclocking forums by pro overclockers seems to show that it is better than the TRUE and the megahalems by a fair amount . and yet on BT its all of a sudden poor performer?! I'm finding it hard to believe that it gets beaten by the Zalman cooler as well.

What thermal paste was used?

Also remember than CFM is not a good indicator of a fan's performance, that fan may have good cfm but terrible air pressure. I would suggest you remount, and use a different fan something like a scythe s-flex or GT. Those sharkoon fans are infamous about their terrible performance on coolers and radiators.

I want a few more reviews to pop up and if the venomous x is still the top cooler in those reviews, I'm crying foul.
MiNiMaL_FuSS 24th January 2010, 17:05 Quote
^ I think the thermal paste and fan is irrelevant as long as they used the same ones as they did on the TRUE mate.
thehippoz 24th January 2010, 17:11 Quote
take the fan off the fenrir and put it on the true, be a good compare

like they fixed the mounting bracket from the 120- I had to put a little bolt to increase the pressure of the clamp.. some people used to put pennies on the base

it looks like a true with a flat lapped base to be honest XD.. you could test their claim of curved by sitting a razor blade on it
Bindibadgi 24th January 2010, 17:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Coldon
Almost all reviews of the venomous X on overclocking forums by pro overclockers seems to show that it is better than the TRUE and the megahalems by a fair amount . and yet on BT its all of a sudden poor performer?! I'm finding it hard to believe that it gets beaten by the Zalman cooler as well.

Please bear in mind that testing methods vary across the board. We are one of the few places that test actually in a case, not on a test bench. :)

Harry also explained how he tested the nuts off this product. We've pushed the review back so he could have longer to retest it because he's also read the results elsewhere. We went over and above what we normally do tbh.
Initialised 24th January 2010, 19:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by JCBeastie
One day Thermalright might catch onto the whole 'heatpipe direct contact' thing and then we'll see something.
In some recent test I ran the only coolers that could beat HDT were Liquid Metal (Danamics LMX) and TEC based (CM V10) monstrosities, even these would also work better with HDT, possibly enough to justify the cost. All the lump of metal between the pipes and the CPU does is add a thermal gradient and add extra heat transfer interfaces meaning that the CPU runs hotter that in HDT designs.
HandMadeAndroid 24th January 2010, 20:25 Quote
Fifty quid for a cooler without a fan....epic lolz
Coldon 24th January 2010, 21:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
Please bear in mind that testing methods vary across the board. We are one of the few places that test actually in a case, not on a test bench. :)

Harry also explained how he tested the nuts off this product. We've pushed the review back so he could have longer to retest it because he's also read the results elsewhere. We went over and above what we normally do tbh.

unfortunately there is a large flaw in your testing, the fans, like I said the sharkoon fans are pretty infamous when it comes to their usefulness on coolers and rads. just cause the fan pumps a fair amount of air in the open doesn't mean it performs the same on a cooler. I think the results would have been better using a scythe GT or sflex fan or even a nice cheapo yate loon.

what fans were used on the fenrir and the TRUE? also the sharkoon silent eagle? if not then the test is pointless. The coolers need to be tested at the same ambient temperature with the same amount and brand of thermal paste and the exact same fan.

I also don't think testing in a case makes any difference, if anything it just introduces more variables into the mix depending on the case and the cooler orientation and can affect the results dramatically, that's is why test benches exist. Testing in a case is akin to hardOCP's "real world" testing, which offers pretty meaningless results.

I would like to see a RE-review of the fenrir vs TRUE vs venomous, on an open test bench with a high pressure fan. Then we can truly see which is the best cooler, cause at the moment, you are the only site to state that the cooler is mediocre.

EDIT: I also notice that in the review the venomous x with two fans performs worse than with 1 fan on the 1366 platform? That seems very very unlikely.
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