Originally Posted by Cobalt I think the review is a bit misleading. The AMD numbers don't actually seem to have anything to do with it being AMD, rather they used a different case to show how airflow affects temperatures. At least thats how I understood it. Thats a really bad way to show this though. The article implied that the H50 wasn't worth it for AMD systems but because the rig used a different case the test is invalid.
If you were simply testing to see if effectiveness was based on airflow then the hardware should have been kept the same. If I'm wrong and the test was to check the performance specifically on the AMD cpu then the whole testing procedure was faulty. Certainly some extra clarification could have been given. If one just looks at the charts then it seems like the H50 has some serious problems.
No, the article clearly states that for our "AMD test setup" that includes this particular case and CPU (etc) together, it doesn't work so well. You can't take a single CPU at a single overclocked and overvolted value and apply it to the entire "AMD" line of CPUs anyway, otherwise we might as well test it on a bench outside a case which isn't a real world scenario. If you go look up other reviews and see their AMD numbers, in whatever case they use, it'll give you a wider idea.
If you just look at the charts and pictures you are doing yourself an injustice in any instance, that's what words are written for.
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi No, the article clearly states that for our "AMD test setup" that includes this particular case and CPU (etc) together, it doesn't work so well. You can't take a single CPU at a single overclocked and overvolted value and apply it to the entire "AMD" line of CPUs anyway, otherwise we might as well test it on a bench outside a case which isn't a real world scenario. If you go look up other reviews and see their AMD numbers, in whatever case they use, it'll give you a wider idea.
If you just look at the charts and pictures you are doing yourself an injustice in any instance, that's what words are written for.
it is also clearly stated that the reason why the AMD test results were so poor was because of the lack of airflow in the case and that the problem would be the same in any case with no decent airflow, regardless of the CPU used
This is a nice kit and all and I would be seriously considering it for pure cooling and simplicity. However, If I ever were to watercool my PC (as I said countless times I would do it, but then I puss out), I would build the whole thing myself and actually be proud of it. This is pretty much the same thing as buiilding your own PC instead of buying an HP
how tall is that CPU block/pump, as is in the Sugo SG02-F i can only have a 82mm tall cooler. i have an NT06-e but im sure it holding my E5200 from going past 3.6GHz on a DFI JR P45-T2RS.
hmm I wonder how it would do if you swapped it out for a dual or triple rad, Im thinking of getting the new Corsair case and that pump block combo would be nice with a triple rad at the top :)
Originally Posted by Ghys it is also clearly stated that the reason why the AMD test results were so poor was because of the lack of airflow in the case and that the problem would be the same in any case with no decent airflow, regardless of the CPU used
I do see your point but a CPU is just a head generator - for all intents and purposes we could just use a hotplate to do the same job and set it to "150W" etc. If its environment affects how a product performs, surely you want to know? It would have been more scientific, if we had the time, to do even more testing with swapping boards between cases but I doubt the outcome would have told you much else.
i'm sorry if I seemed to be criticizing the article but I was not !
You're right it would have been interesting to see what the results are when both AMD and Intel are in the same case model. That wouldn't have changed anything however for the reasons you just gave.
Also, when it comes to this kind of data, the most important is the best the device can do in a given situation. When I saw the numbers of the Intel test, I knew right away what kind of difference the cooler can do compared to the stock one. There is just no way the results couldn't be the same with AMD
I am not sure if testing in two different cases was done purposely (didn't real the whole thing because I was at work) but either way it was a good thing because it exposes the biggest weakness of the H50, and that's a good thing to know.
(I think it took me about 5minutes to write these few lines... im so tired I have to think everything i type 3 times... and I'm still not sure you will understand even half of it haha)
Would it be possible to mount the radiator in the front of an ATCS 840, where the 5.25" bays are? I'd much rather something like that then take up the rear exhaust.
Originally Posted by Kunin Would it be possible to mount the radiator in the front of an ATCS 840, where the 5.25" bays are? I'd much rather something like that then take up the rear exhaust.
If the tubing is long enough then it would technically not be a problem, it would need to be the upper fan mount though. If you actually run the setup that way in that case then it may work very well. HDD's dont heat up that much, you also have a huge 250mm fan there providing coolish air. This way you still have the read & upper exhaust
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Originally Posted by Kunin Question is, what would be the best way to mount this in an ATCS 840?
I'm buying it and intend to run it firstly on the rear exhaust, in a pull configuration using a shroud. The fan will be replaced with a quiet Sycthe (48CFM). The I'll add another fan & shroud to the opposite side (push/pull) to see if there is any significant difference. Which ever gives the best performance/noise ratio will be chosen
I will have mine in a couple of days and can send you a PM with the figures if you want?
Important question here!!
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Custom PC Magazine reviewed a Low Cost Liquid Cooler a while back also made by Asetek called the LCLC. I canât find it on their website now but it got a panning saying the single slot radiator was not big enough to cope with the heat dissipated from the CPUs.
Never the less I had one in my Cyberpower PC. And as the review stated it wasnât very good at high overclock. So I swapped it out for an OCZ Vendetta 2 with a crossbow bolt through mounting. It lowered my temps significantly and a loud me to reach my 3.8ghz overclock stably.
LCLC was 78-82C Max in OCCT on e8400 C0 @ 3.8ghz (1.34CPUZ Vcore)
Vendetta 68-72 Max in OCCT on e8400 C0 @ 3.8ghz (1.34CPUZ Vcore)
I even attached two 120mm fans to mine. One push one pull, lapped the copper surface to a perfectly smooth finish along with my CPU and installed it all securely with a dap of OCZ Freeze. It just couldnât compete with the Vendetta Air cooler.
Now correct me if Iâm wrong but this is the exact same kit manufactured by the same company Asetek but with a Corsair logo. What other differences are there to make it so much better?
Would you consider this flow on my PC adequate to produce the LGA775 results or something more like the AMD results.
Asetek LCLC with Push Pull 120mm fans @ 1500rpm
Front 120mm Exhaust 120mm 1000rpm
Bottom 80mm Pulling in cool Air
Top 80mm Exhausting Air
Side 120mm 1200rpm Pulling in Air
Good cable management
It could quite simply be that I was getting results more like AMD due to poor case air flow.
As you have said though the kit is very well made. If I could find a double slot rad version which performed even better it seriously would be a good bit of kit. I know there is a double available for the NorthQ Siberian Tiger.
I can't find the review but there was one that got varying results between Motherboards and they found out that it was due to the mounting pressure of the plastic quick clips on the lga775 mount for the WaterBlock/Pump.
I had mine for 1 year before I took it off and it was still going strong. There is no question of the quality of the product. Its the cooling that has me interested. Have I got rid of something that was perfectly good and just needed a little re-arranging of my case air flow.
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ReplyNo, the article clearly states that for our "AMD test setup" that includes this particular case and CPU (etc) together, it doesn't work so well. You can't take a single CPU at a single overclocked and overvolted value and apply it to the entire "AMD" line of CPUs anyway, otherwise we might as well test it on a bench outside a case which isn't a real world scenario. If you go look up other reviews and see their AMD numbers, in whatever case they use, it'll give you a wider idea.
If you just look at the charts and pictures you are doing yourself an injustice in any instance, that's what words are written for.
it is also clearly stated that the reason why the AMD test results were so poor was because of the lack of airflow in the case and that the problem would be the same in any case with no decent airflow, regardless of the CPU used
This is a nice kit and all and I would be seriously considering it for pure cooling and simplicity. However, If I ever were to watercool my PC (as I said countless times I would do it, but then I puss out), I would build the whole thing myself and actually be proud of it. This is pretty much the same thing as buiilding your own PC instead of buying an HP
I do see your point but a CPU is just a head generator - for all intents and purposes we could just use a hotplate to do the same job and set it to "150W" etc. If its environment affects how a product performs, surely you want to know? It would have been more scientific, if we had the time, to do even more testing with swapping boards between cases but I doubt the outcome would have told you much else.
You're right it would have been interesting to see what the results are when both AMD and Intel are in the same case model. That wouldn't have changed anything however for the reasons you just gave.
Also, when it comes to this kind of data, the most important is the best the device can do in a given situation. When I saw the numbers of the Intel test, I knew right away what kind of difference the cooler can do compared to the stock one. There is just no way the results couldn't be the same with AMD
I am not sure if testing in two different cases was done purposely (didn't real the whole thing because I was at work) but either way it was a good thing because it exposes the biggest weakness of the H50, and that's a good thing to know.
(I think it took me about 5minutes to write these few lines... im so tired I have to think everything i type 3 times... and I'm still not sure you will understand even half of it haha)
noctua NH-C12P performs a little better from some tests i seen.
If the tubing is long enough then it would technically not be a problem, it would need to be the upper fan mount though. If you actually run the setup that way in that case then it may work very well. HDD's dont heat up that much, you also have a huge 250mm fan there providing coolish air. This way you still have the read & upper exhaust
I'm buying it and intend to run it firstly on the rear exhaust, in a pull configuration using a shroud. The fan will be replaced with a quiet Sycthe (48CFM). The I'll add another fan & shroud to the opposite side (push/pull) to see if there is any significant difference. Which ever gives the best performance/noise ratio will be chosen
I will have mine in a couple of days and can send you a PM with the figures if you want?
http://www.northq.com/products/coolers/nq3580.html
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Custom PC Magazine reviewed a Low Cost Liquid Cooler a while back also made by Asetek called the LCLC. I canât find it on their website now but it got a panning saying the single slot radiator was not big enough to cope with the heat dissipated from the CPUs.
Never the less I had one in my Cyberpower PC. And as the review stated it wasnât very good at high overclock. So I swapped it out for an OCZ Vendetta 2 with a crossbow bolt through mounting. It lowered my temps significantly and a loud me to reach my 3.8ghz overclock stably.
LCLC was 78-82C Max in OCCT on e8400 C0 @ 3.8ghz (1.34CPUZ Vcore)
Vendetta 68-72 Max in OCCT on e8400 C0 @ 3.8ghz (1.34CPUZ Vcore)
I even attached two 120mm fans to mine. One push one pull, lapped the copper surface to a perfectly smooth finish along with my CPU and installed it all securely with a dap of OCZ Freeze. It just couldnât compete with the Vendetta Air cooler.
Now correct me if Iâm wrong but this is the exact same kit manufactured by the same company Asetek but with a Corsair logo. What other differences are there to make it so much better?
Here is a link to a pic of the LCLC:
http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Asetek_LCLC_1.jpg
I know the custom PC guys work with you so iâm sure they could answer my question.
Asetek rebranded it too NorthQ Siberian Tiger when they stopped making the Asetek DIY watercooling kits.
http://www.custompc.co.uk/labs/192201/northq-nq-3580-siberian-tiger.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/388
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Would you consider this flow on my PC adequate to produce the LGA775 results or something more like the AMD results.
Asetek LCLC with Push Pull 120mm fans @ 1500rpm
Front 120mm Exhaust 120mm 1000rpm
Bottom 80mm Pulling in cool Air
Top 80mm Exhausting Air
Side 120mm 1200rpm Pulling in Air
Good cable management
It could quite simply be that I was getting results more like AMD due to poor case air flow.
As you have said though the kit is very well made. If I could find a double slot rad version which performed even better it seriously would be a good bit of kit. I know there is a double available for the NorthQ Siberian Tiger.
Quote" Verdict: Three times the price of a good HSF, and worse at cooling."
:D
http://xpriserpic.edbindex.dk/Screenshots/55845.jpg
Or i should say it was a case of a lack of mounting pressure :)
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