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EVGA Hadron Air Review

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SchizoFrog 13th December 2013, 11:51 Quote
How much? So the case is 140% more expensive than the Prodigy and Phenom cases and yet it loses merely 2 points in the value score and still scores a massive 75% of the total available points? The Hadron is more difficult to use, is less versatile and offers less customisation! That review score is a complete and utter joke.
AlphaAngel 13th December 2013, 12:13 Quote
But those cases don't come with a custom PSU.
Meanmotion 13th December 2013, 12:14 Quote
It's not 140% more expensive, it's 30% more expensive - it includes a power supply!

Factor in a reasonable modular PSU and a Prodigy setup will cost you £130 ish - thus the £30 mentioned in the conclusion.
Yslen 13th December 2013, 12:23 Quote
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Cooling was never going to be amazing in a case so small and sure enough the Hardon Air doesn't

uh... guys?
GeorgeK 13th December 2013, 12:25 Quote
I really don't like the 'jaunty' angle created by the front being lifted up - I used to have a case like that and it got on my nerves - I'd have to add another foot at the back personally to lift it up...
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How much? So the case is 140% more expensive

140% more expensive means 2.4 times more expensive...
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uh... guys?

Hehe - that's naughty...
Meanmotion 13th December 2013, 12:32 Quote
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uh... guys?

8-0

Oops. Fixed.
SchizoFrog 13th December 2013, 13:57 Quote
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How much? So the case is 140% more expensive

140% more expensive means 2.4 times more expensive...

Yes, indeed it does... £70 x 2.4 = £168 which is the price of the case. So what exactly is your point?
SchizoFrog 13th December 2013, 14:13 Quote
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It's not 140% more expensive, it's 30% more expensive - it includes a power supply!

Factor in a reasonable modular PSU and a Prodigy setup will cost you £130 ish - thus the £30 mentioned in the conclusion.

In honesty I did miss that paragraph about the PSU... However, as you can get a decent 500W PSU for under £50 (Corsair - Scan) £70 + £50 = £120 which is almost £50 under the price of this.
Considering the restrictions on cooling, especially water, the ease with which to replace the PSU should it fail and all the other areas of compromise I still think that the overall score and especially the 'Value' scor are way over the top. Consider that there are cases which have been reviewed and scored far lower while offering far less restrictions or compromises. It raise yet another inconsistency issue with Bit-Tech... For me at least (AMD R290X for example).
Parge 13th December 2013, 14:38 Quote
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How much? So the case is 140% more expensive than the Prodigy and Phenom cases and yet it loses merely 2 points in the value score and still scores a massive 75% of the total available points? The Hadron is more difficult to use, is less versatile and offers less customisation! That review score is a complete and utter joke.

You come across as having such a bad attitude in so many of your posts. You need to start reading and thinking before you post.
Corky42 13th December 2013, 14:48 Quote
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In honesty I did miss that paragraph about the PSU... However, as you can get a decent 500W PSU for under £50 (Corsair - Scan) £70 + £50 = £120 which is almost £50 under the price of this.

If you can even find a SFF/SFX 500W 40a PSU i would be surprised, the highest rated SFF/SFX PSU i can find is 450W.
Lance 13th December 2013, 14:49 Quote
Personally I really love this and really want one.

When I upgrade this will be the case I use I think.

What cooler do you think you'd use with it?
SchizoFrog 13th December 2013, 15:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
How much? So the case is 140% more expensive than the Prodigy and Phenom cases and yet it loses merely 2 points in the value score and still scores a massive 75% of the total available points? The Hadron is more difficult to use, is less versatile and offers less customisation! That review score is a complete and utter joke.

You come across as having such a bad attitude in so many of your posts. You need to start reading and thinking before you post.

Fair enough. I never mean to cause offence. However, many of my posts raise issues that often seem to be politely swept under the carpet, so to speak and often still ignored. My opinion still stands though that I think that score is a joke.
Lance 13th December 2013, 15:16 Quote
Value doesn't mean cheap though. Because the prodigy is floppy and twice the size its cheaper, but maybe the reviewer thought that this product represented value elsewhere? The quality overall, which he has mentioned a few times.

Personally I think it looks slightly expensive, but its also very niche being that small. I think I could fit that in a pack on my back and take it to LAN while carrying my screen, which would save me driving each year.
Combatus 13th December 2013, 15:21 Quote
There's several issues that you have failed to mention in your criticism of the scores. The first is size. The likes of the Prodigy are MUCH bigger, while the Elite 130 for example can only house low profile coolers. You can't compare the scores based on that comparison alone. The custom psu would likely cost FAR more than your average 500W £50 ATX model too and it's critical in allowing the case to be so small. For this, the price tag has had to increase which is completely understandable but it's added value considering how small the case is. If you're prepared to have a case that's 3x the size and save £30-40, then go for a Prodigy.
Meanmotion 13th December 2013, 15:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
In honesty I did miss that paragraph about the PSU... However, as you can get a decent 500W PSU for under £50 (Corsair - Scan) £70 + £50 = £120 which is almost £50 under the price of this.
Considering the restrictions on cooling, especially water, the ease with which to replace the PSU should it fail and all the other areas of compromise I still think that the overall score and especially the 'Value' scor are way over the top. Consider that there are cases which have been reviewed and scored far lower while offering far less restrictions or compromises. It raise yet another inconsistency issue with Bit-Tech... For me at least (AMD R290X for example).

All told this rather perfectly demonstrates how scores can be such a pain, particularly such granular ones. Ultimately this feels like a 4/5star product because it does precisely what it sets out to and does it very well and we'd recommend people spend the money, though you do pay a bit of a premium (which is why it didn't get an award). On the other hand a middling case that has a reasonable number of features bit simply doesn't excel on any particular level feels like, say a 3/5star product, because ultimately we wouldn't recommend someone buy it over an alternative.

You do raise a valid concern regarding the PSU, though with a three year warranty it is on balance a reasonable compromise.

Edit: And, yeah, what Ant said.

What's the issue with the 290X anyway?
Cei 13th December 2013, 15:51 Quote
I love this case. My second rig was built around one and has been running for about 2 months now. I replaced the 120mm roof fans with PWM Noctuas and the CPU cooler is also a Noctua. The end result is it actually runs quietly and pretty cool for the amount of power packed in there. I think the big win is the built-in PSU as it really saves space over a SFF or ATX design.

I'd also mention to the review that some tower coolers certainly do fit. I have the Noctua NH-U9B SE2 installed no problem, which is far superior to a low profile cooler.
Bindibadgi 13th December 2013, 15:55 Quote
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All told this rather perfectly demonstrates how scores can be such a pain, particularly such granular ones.

Change 'em. It's your site.

:)
phuzz 13th December 2013, 15:58 Quote
"Water-cooling options are also nearly non-existent, without taking your radiators outside the case."
Sounds like a challenge!
RedFlames 13th December 2013, 16:10 Quote
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"Water-cooling options are also nearly non-existent, without taking your radiators outside the case."
Sounds like a challenge!

It does sound like an invitiation to try but IIRC EVGA are [or are about to] flog a variant of this geared towards internal plumbing [called the Hadron Hydro or something like that]. Hadron AIR, the clue's in the name.
Lance 13th December 2013, 16:15 Quote
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It does sound like an invitiation to try but IIRC EVGA are [or are about to] flog a variant of this geared towards internal plumbing [called the Hadron Hydro or something like that]. Hadron AIR, the clue's in the name.

Correct, I saw this the other day too.

http://www.vortez.net/news_file/4150_evga_hadron_hydro_hero.jpg

Kinda makes me think of this:
http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/6780/28479834_.jpg
Gareth Halfacree 13th December 2013, 16:16 Quote
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It does sound like an invitiation to try but IIRC EVGA are [or are about to] flog a variant of this geared towards internal plumbing [called the Hadron Hydro or something like that]. Hadron AIR, the clue's in the name.
Yup. T'was announced back in September, with coverage on this very site by some handsome young rogue called Gareth something-or-other. I forget.
SchizoFrog 13th December 2013, 16:18 Quote
Fair enough and I take people's criticisms of my opinions and comments as I believe them to be intended, especially when they are meaningfully explained. Thanks Meanmotion.
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What's the issue with the 290X anyway?

I asked on yesterday's NUC review why the scores and score categories were inconsistent with the score in CPC and sighted that with the reviews of the R290X both articles use 3 categories (slight differences) but have differing scores. CPC - Speed = 38/40 Features = 20/30 Value 23/30 Overall = 81%, BT - Performance = 38/40 (is that supposed to be the same as speed or different as the score is the same?) Features = 27/30 Value 25/30 Overall = 90%. A 9% difference in the overall score for the same product?
Fingers66 13th December 2013, 16:35 Quote
I can' find any mention in the review if the hard drive cradle is removable.

If it is, will an AIO cooler then fit in the roof?
RedFlames 13th December 2013, 17:14 Quote
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Yup. T'was announced back in September, with coverage on this very site by some handsome young rogue called Gareth something-or-other. I forget.

Oh that Gareth Halfacre chap? Not a fan... :p
Speed 13th December 2013, 19:09 Quote
Whomever takes the photos for the reviews really does need to give these products a clean with a microfibre cloth, those finger marks drive me crazy! lol

...and yes, that was what I took away from the review! :p
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