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SilverStone Raven RV02 Case Review

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lacuna 17th November 2009, 11:06 Quote
Would have been nice to see the case with some components in it, especially since its unique selling point is the orientation of the mobo and cards...
Kalcifer 17th November 2009, 11:07 Quote
it's big yet cramped at the same time.

But at least its a bit different.
xaser04 17th November 2009, 11:21 Quote
I assume the poor cooling can be attributed to a lack of balance between intake and exhaust (3 x 180mm Intakes vs 1 120mm Exhaust).

This case seems to be a good idea in principle but poorly executed.
Flibblebot 17th November 2009, 11:23 Quote
The problem with mounting intake fans at the bottom of the case is that they're not so effective if you have underfloor heating... :(

How tall is the top shroud thingy? It looks as though it might be a tight fit to connect a VGA or DVI cable and bend it over so it comes out of the back of the shroud.

I'm not entirely convinced that spinning the mobo orientation around really helps airflow - surely any convection currents are going to be minimal compared to the currents created by so many fans? And surely that would be the same, whether your pulling air front to back or bottom to top?
phuzz 17th November 2009, 11:38 Quote
How come there's no pictures with components in?
Tuthmose 17th November 2009, 11:50 Quote
It strikes me that the roof that hides the cabling at the top probably hinders the exit airflow quite a bit, helping drive up those temps. Having a rat's nest of cables jammed in to hide them under that top plate I'm sure doesn't help. I wonder what the temps would be like with the top facia removed?

Of course, with the top plate off, the exposed cables sticking out all over would make your PC look like Medusa on a bad hair day . . .

-Tuthmose
RotoSequence 17th November 2009, 12:05 Quote
It would probably help if the case was built out of a material that served as a heat sink rather than an insulator.
fingerbob69 17th November 2009, 12:11 Quote
One wonders if Silverstone do the same sort of tests; got the same sort of results and concluded: that'll do?

It's a good idea orientating everything so that the heat generated is helped to go in the direction it wants to go -up- rather than trying to force it to travel horizontally. I know it might smack of doing Silverstone's work for them but might not Custom pc endeavour to find out why it falls down as opposed to just reporting the tumble?
perplekks45 17th November 2009, 12:31 Quote
I bought the HAF 932 a while ago and I think that, if cooling is important, it's a much better choice at the same price point [or lower depending on where you are, PLUS there's the 922 for even less]. The "unique feature" hardware mount turned by 90 degrees isn't that amazing after all, it seems, so I'd say:

Fail @ Silverstone. Sad, I liked the idea.
zr_ox 17th November 2009, 12:58 Quote
Come on Silverstone, pull your socks up and quit making quirky cases!

What I want to see is a larger version of the TJ09/TJ10, with revised intake, hdd bays and a roof which accomodates 3x120/140mm fans (without the weird holders).

They could also release a revised TJ07 which adds an upper chamber identical to the lower one, and replaces the 90mm fans with 120/140mm.

1. Almost endless watercooling possibilities
2. Vastly increased hdd space
3. Possibilities for both 1&2
Dave Lister 17th November 2009, 13:03 Quote
I like the concept here, perhaps if there was a 120mm fan blowing air out at the top front drive bays area then cooling would be a bit more efficient.
TWeaK 17th November 2009, 13:05 Quote
It strikes me that one problem with the case is the use of 180mm fans. As the fan test showed, the most efficient fan technology is present in 120mm, with some of this moving to 140mm. With larger fans I think they need to have more depth and wider blades, so as to properly channel the air. Can this case take 120mm fans instead of the 180mm ones?

I know it's been said before, but it would really be nice to get an idea of the thermal dynamics of the case itself, rather than the case with the supplied fans. Any competant PC builder would know to save a little bit of the budget to get some decent fans, and as such I hope one day you change your mind and start reviewing cases using a set of control (read: performance) fans as well as the fans supplied. As you guys have said, it does add a chunk of time to the reviewing process but I think it would really give the PC building community on this site a better understanding of which case might suit their needs.
The boy 4rm oz 17th November 2009, 14:06 Quote
Personally I have never been a fan of the Raven series. Yeah they look pretty cool from the inside but I just see the internal layout as pointless and useless.
Cupboard 17th November 2009, 14:14 Quote
The PSU power cable is not a kettle lead...

Case is a nice idea but shame its not so great irl. Is this a problem with the concept, or a problem with the implementation? On the surface it looks good but in two iterations of the case you would have expected them to have got it working by now!
Autti 17th November 2009, 14:18 Quote
I wonder how the FT02 thermals will turn out because it has the same orientation as the RV02
Scootiep 17th November 2009, 14:26 Quote
Darn, I was really hoping the concept would pan out for SS. I really like motherboard mounting scheme as it would make cabling much easier to access for those of us that do a lot of switching around of external components. I'm curious to know if adding 1 more case fan to the roof of the case and making the legs taller to accommodate a little more airflow would make a large difference.
Elton 17th November 2009, 15:00 Quote
The problem is that there's only 1 top fan. However with this design it's pretty hard I imagine to get 2 fans on the top with all those things.
SchizoFrog 17th November 2009, 15:31 Quote
FAIL on all accounts as far as I can see...

There is nothing 'unique' about this case. It is not the only or even the first case to do this rotation. There have been several high end cases to take this approach. Once again anything outside of pure specification and BitTech gets it wrong.
John_T 17th November 2009, 15:38 Quote
Agree with Elton.

If this thing had had a conventionally mounted motherboard & three fans along the top I reckon it would've easily been champion material, but you just can't do that with a shifted mobo - not without making the case a Superfatman anyway.

The principal of top & bottom airflow is obviously thermodynamically sound, it just the poor execution that let it down. Plus as TWeaK said, there's a good chance 120/140mm fans would've been more effective at the moment too...
John_T 17th November 2009, 15:41 Quote
Can't blame them for trying though, come v3 I reckon it'll be a doozy...
Abhorsen 17th November 2009, 16:13 Quote
Quite disappointed, it looked really promising i liked the looks and design. Real shame it can't deliver the performance.
Baz 17th November 2009, 16:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
FAIL on all accounts as far as I can see...

There is nothing 'unique' about this case. It is not the only or even the first case to do this rotation. There have been several high end cases to take this approach. Once again anything outside of pure specification and BitTech gets it wrong.

Rather than simply flame and be unhelpful, perhaps a constructive comment pointing out the other cases that have used this design would be more appropriate. As far I'm aware, the Raven is the first.
alpaca 17th November 2009, 16:21 Quote
what if you mod the thing and place a few 120's on top of the roof, so air is sucked out harder?

and why no picture of the case with installed components, an no picture of the top?
SchizoFrog 17th November 2009, 16:48 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
FAIL on all accounts as far as I can see...

There is nothing 'unique' about this case. It is not the only or even the first case to do this rotation. There have been several high end cases to take this approach. Once again anything outside of pure specification and BitTech gets it wrong.

Rather than simply flame and be unhelpful, perhaps a constructive comment pointing out the other cases that have used this design would be more appropriate. As far I'm aware, the Raven is the first.

I can't remember which other cases there are but there are a couple (I admit, not many). But the one I would highlight to you is that of the Voodoo Omen Dream PC from last year. Although hardly a mainstream case, it is hardly unique or a new idea. Nice miss from the previous CustomPC team...
okenobi 17th November 2009, 16:52 Quote
What's all this talk about 120s? Loads of decent cases use larger fans and have done for some time. 120s have been around for bloody ages. My 6yr old Antec Super Lanboy has twin 120mm fan mounts. You would think things have moved on a little in 6yrs!
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