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Silverstone Sugo SG04-H

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tominated 30th March 2009, 10:19 Quote
good review, but try flipping the psu over and get new temp measurements, they designed it so the psu fan extracts air from the cpu cooler.
sadlydefiant 30th March 2009, 10:24 Quote
not a good spot for the PSU.
Having the PSU fan extract air from the HSF would conflict with what the HSF is trying to do.
Nice little case nun the less.
ChaosDefinesOrder 30th March 2009, 11:03 Quote
With limited airflow over the CPU, this strikes me as the kinda thing that might suit a Reserator - other than the extra external box obviously...
logan'srun 30th March 2009, 11:23 Quote
". That is of course, if you’re into the decidedly Scandinavian design qualities, which might be a bit cutsie to bring to a Counter Strike and beer night."

Hmm, you obviously have been looking at the wrong designs then because I certainly don't feel anything we do is cutsey. . . .

from wikipedia:

Scandinavian Design emerged in the 1950s in the three Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Norway and Sweden) as well as Finland as a design movement characterised by simple, uncomplicated designs, minimalism, stylisation, functionality, and low cost mass production.


Don't see where cutsie falls into that. But still, if you like minimalistic design WITH function, then yes Scandinavia is the right area to look (or make similes of). . .
[PUNK] crompers 30th March 2009, 12:48 Quote
i reckon one of these with a e5xxx and a well cooled HDMI 4870 would make a great htpc that you can pick up and take to a lan should you desire
Mankz 30th March 2009, 12:57 Quote
I'd also rather have a SG-03 tbh.
tank_rider 30th March 2009, 13:07 Quote
Any chance of some performance figures with a 2nd fan fitted? I'd be really interested to see how much of an improvement there really was.
Claave 30th March 2009, 13:57 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sadlydefiant

Having the PSU fan extract air from the HSF would conflict with what the HSF is trying to do.

+1
MajestiX 30th March 2009, 14:31 Quote
SSF need to either water cool or do what server do, force air and server components are wayyyy hotter
Xir 30th March 2009, 15:47 Quote
I guess there's no height to go with a cross flow heatsink? (as this may benefit from a flipped PSU, pulling from the inside?)
Gizmo1990 30th March 2009, 20:20 Quote
Haha, yeah that made me chuckle! Scandinavian design..?? Stick to the pc reviews boys..!

Anyway no mention of the NON handle version! Why isn't this being released? Do you hear me Silverstone? I WANT THE NON HANDLE VERSION THAT IS ON YOUR SITE!!!!!
Adnoctum 31st March 2009, 06:49 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sadlydefiant
not a good spot for the PSU.
Having the PSU fan extract air from the HSF would conflict with what the HSF is trying to do.

Have a look:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_spec.php?pno=NT06-E&area=usa
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835220033

It was designed for Silverstone's Sugo series mATX cases. It uses the PSU fan to suck air through the HS. Obviously, you wouldn't want to stick a 140w monster under it, but it works great on 65/89w-classes of CPU.
Jipa 31st March 2009, 10:43 Quote
"Fortunately though, the same mesh in the side panel is present, which sits next to the power supply mount allowing your PSU to exhaust it’s hot air directly out of the case." W T F? Someone's not thinking straight.

I also reviewed the SG-03 and mine came with the Nitrogon heatsink. The problem with that is that with low-power hardware, most power supplies don't have to work hard, and thus have the fan spinning at VERY low speed -> No airflow through the heatsink. With the right CPU/PSU combo that sort of cooler would be the optimal solution.

Oh and I like the new fascia. Sleek and stylish. Now if only they got rid of the stupid mesh on the side panel... Does it still have plastic frames? I missed that from the review.
Cutter McJ1b 31st March 2009, 11:14 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jipa
"Fortunately though, the same mesh in the side panel is present, which sits next to the power supply mount allowing your PSU to exhaust its hot air directly out of the case." W T F?.

Thanks, Jipa. Corrected and edited for clarification
REMF 31st March 2009, 11:17 Quote
I registered just to make this comment, and i have done precisely because i have enjoyed reading bit-tech news and articles previously.

GO. BACK. AND. DO. THE. SUGO. 03/04. REVIEWS. AGAIN!

You cannot properly review the Sugo cases unless you use the NT06e cooler that is purpose made for them.

The NT06e cooler fits directly under the 135mm fan of a decent powersupply.

The reviews as they stand are completely worthless from a performance perspective.

I have been running a C2Q 6700 (.65nm) CPU with four GB's of DDR2 800, and 9800GX2 GPU (!!!!!!!!!!!!), and two harddrives as well as an asus xonar sound card. with no problems, for the last year.

And while you are re-writing the review i would be much obliged if you questioned silverstone on when they intend to release the non-handle version of the SG04. You can do this at the same time as you request an NT06e heatsink to review and kill two birds with one stone.

I am sorry to be such an arse on my first post, but the reason i am so incensed is because you are a tech-review site i generally respect, giving really bad reviews to tech that i know is great.

Best regards

REMF
Bindibadgi 31st March 2009, 11:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by REMF
I registered just to make this comment, and i have done precisely because i have enjoyed reading bit-tech news and articles previously.

GO. BACK. AND. DO. THE. SUGO. 03/04. REVIEWS. AGAIN!

You cannot properly review the Sugo cases unless you use the NT06e cooler that is purpose made for them.

The NT06e cooler fits directly under the 135mm fan of a decent powersupply.

The reviews as they stand are completely worthless from a performance perspective.

I have been running a C2Q 6700 (.65nm) CPU with four GB's of DDR2 800, and 9800GX2 GPU (!!!!!!!!!!!!), and two harddrives as well as an asus xonar sound card. with no problems, for the last year.

And while you are re-writing the review i would be much obliged if you questioned silverstone on when they intend to release the non-handle version of the SG04. You can do this at the same time as you request an NT06e heatsink to review and kill two birds with one stone.

I am sorry to be such an arse on my first post, but the reason i am so incensed is because you are a tech-review site i generally respect, giving really bad reviews to tech that i know is great.

Best regards

REMF

It's not a bad review, it's a 7/8 out of 10 - check the score guide what this means.

You, my friend, have purchase justification syndrome. And if it's justification you are looking for then - we do like the Sugos - we said that in the text.

NOWHERE did/does SilverStone say to us that it requires this heatsink, otherwise they would either bundle it in the box or the PR would have insisted to us as we commenced the reviews.

All SilverStone does is recommend the NT06e on its website, just like its own PSU, for the "ultimate combination" however this isn't the sole combination for any case and anyone building a system will often have their own preferential hardware they want to use.

To be honest, if it ONLY fitted this one heatsink we'd have slammed it for its compatibility. At least Shuttle XPCs include the ICE cooler with their products.

The fact you could use it in an optimum scenario is all well and good - we clearly said that the hardware we used was working within its operational limits and should work continually in the review text, but unless it's specifically required or bundled together there's no reason to solely review this pairing together. Not everyone goes to the website - they just go to an online store and spec up what they want.

To say that this needs re-reviewing with a specific hardware arrangement is somewhat overzealous, especially when you know it already works.
REMF 31st March 2009, 12:01 Quote
it is your website.

but anyone who ran a Sugo system without using the cooling methodology designed for it would be a fool. it just doesn't make sense. notably the non-handle 04 doesn't even have the side vent that allows you to reverse the PSU and thus treat the 04 as a traditionally cooled case.

i don't think you are doing bit-tech or silverstone much justice by reviewing Sugo cases in this way.

i held my tongue over the Sugo 03 review (which is the one i own, and using the older NT06 heatsink), and i recognise it is your site to do with as you will, but i felt i had to comment when the same was done with the Sugo 04.

best regards
Bindibadgi 31st March 2009, 12:45 Quote
The fact you know it works with the NT06 and we know it works without - doesn't that provide a more varied and wide ranging result than only reviewing in one single way?

I think your words are somewhat self gratifying and overzealous since SilverStone don't provide the heatsink in the box - at least then if people chose to ignore it, it would be up to them. In no place does SilverStone require a user to ONLY use the NT06e. SilverStone itself has read both reviews and not once has it complained we never used the NT06e.

Also, you already own and are happy the Sugo as well, so why need to justify the result of the review so venomously?
REMF 31st March 2009, 12:51 Quote
ok fella, no hard feelings.

we disagree, but i don't want to cause a stink.

have a good day. :)
Bindibadgi 31st March 2009, 14:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by REMF
ok fella, no hard feelings.

we disagree, but i don't want to cause a stink.

have a good day. :)

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion - thank you for sharing! ^_^

Stick around and read some other case reviews though :P Other thoughts are always encouraged.
REMF 31st March 2009, 14:40 Quote
thank you, will do.
logan'srun 31st March 2009, 19:49 Quote
ahh - aren't friends just wunderful on theeese internets???
Adnoctum 1st April 2009, 03:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by REMF
...anyone who ran a Sugo system without using the cooling methodology designed for it would be a fool. it just doesn't make sense.

I run a SG01F as a media PC. Specs: AMD X2 4200 (65w & stock HSF), nF430 MB, 430w PSU (120mm fan).

CPU/MB used to be in my main system enclosure (a Coolermaster Stacker 830) for a while.
The only difference?
In the Sugo the MB chipset (typical nForce 4 sweatin' pig that it is) with passive HS heats up quite a bit in hot weather (32oC+/91oF+).

There is little or no difference in CPU temps/PSU noise.
While I'd like an NT-06, they are quite expensive for what it is. Cooling performance is not that fantastic as a CPU HSF, and the only reason to get it is if you have a Sugo case.

Instead of getting a NT-06, my solution will be to add another 80mm inlet fan (which the case has a mounting for) and eventually replace the MB with a cooler non-nVidia based MB (780G perhaps?).
REMF 1st April 2009, 09:51 Quote
i also own an SG01e, and i can accept that it is reasonable to run these using any old cooler, because they do not have sufficient cooling, or room for enthusiast graphics cards, and thus have never been marketed as cases for high performance PC's. that is not the case with the Sugo 03/04.
shaffaaf27 5th January 2010, 03:48 Quote
what i wanted to know is will this work with the corsair H50 watercooler? and will it fit a 5870 in it (well i have a 4870 currently and probably will pair it with another 4870, but jsut want to know :)

also, how would one mount an SSD in this??
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