Does the above hardware design really cause that much hard drive overheating? Have to say I've had no over heating issues with similar cage designs. Surely the temp would have to be crazy for the drives to overheat that much no matter how many you packed in there??
Would I ever consider the HAF? no, never, but the Raytheon on the other side, sure, removable mainboard tray + cutout for easy backplate installation is great and the design is almost up there with lian-li and silverstone without their pricetag.
I saw a very early prototype of the Raytheon back in either April or June (can't remember which trip!) and it looked promising back then... the linked pics look pretty nice and it's come on a bit since I first saw it.
wait it this article states that a 3x120mm rad cant be mounted. i have heard that you can remove that rubber tray at the top of the case to reveal another 120mm slot. resulting in 3x120mm spaces at the top. here's a link to the pics:
Originally Posted by naokaji Would I ever consider the HAF? no, never, but the Raytheon on the other side, sure, removable mainboard tray + cutout for easy backplate installation is great and the design is almost up there with lian-li and silverstone without their pricetag.
right now i'm tempted to just go ahead with a lian-li a7010b or a77b, they're priced the same, or cooler master decides to go with a lower msrp.
Personally, I'm really looking forward to CM's resurrection of the ATCS series with the ATC-840....
oh..... SNAP!!!!!!!!
*drool*
I'm with you on that one, that's my type of case. I don't like the HAF 932 at all. It looks like it's been cobbled together with all sorts of mis-matching materials. There's too many styles of grill etc, it just looks messy to me.
It was thoughtful of them to include an ashtray though: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/10/cooler-master-haf-932/15.jpg ;)
Originally Posted by Horizon i got mine for free otherwise i wouldn't be content with it, as soon as the raytheon, a.k.a. HAF done right, goes on sale i'm parting it out and ditching the HAF
hmm i was curious and searched and found some pics, looks nice indeed but have been told it would cost around 270 dollars :(
Damn overlooked someone else already posted a link to it.
What i do like about the HAF is the modifiability for a industrial like Half Life theme or something. And my mind was going in to overload in how to fit a 240 and 120mm rad into it with 2 reservoirs and eheim pumps.
Installed my HAF-932 a few day ago, I can mirror pretty much everything the review highlights, great cable management (big holes), very roomy especially width, running a passive AC S1 which is taller than the card PCB by about an inch yet the 30mm thick side fan still clears it by at least 15mm.
I disliked the side window at first, but its tinted and doesn't look too bad in person, actually goes for the entire look as a whole, it looks far better in person than in pics. Sure it could look better, but when it comes down to case choices, I put cooling, features and ease of use far far far above that of external look and aesthetics.
I like that it comes with wheels and an 8pin extension cable, but the Corsair HX620 cables are long enough. Includes a PC speaker too for the BIOS beep codes, some cases these days don't have them.
Noise and airflow - Wow. That is all I can say, the 3 stock 200mm fans are perfect, only 700rpm and makes a slight airflow hum, the front LED fan isn't annoyingly bright like some regular 120mm LED fans are, its more of dull neon look hardly emitting any light.
I still put them on my fan controller anyway, undervolt down to 400-500rpm basically the fans become almost inaudible but cooling is hardly sacrificed.
My other fans are a Zalman F3 also on controller undervolted to around 1300rpm and a Corsair HX620 which is widely regarded as a super quiet PSU, passive AC S1 on my 8800GT (40C idle, 60C load FAH GPU), so overall makes for a very quiet machine.
Just because it has mesh everywhere, that doesn't matter a great deal if your components are quiet.
For those interested in watercooling, you can fit a 360mm rad up top, no modding needed, you can't use the 200m fan though. Fan spacing is standard 15mm, so Swiftech MCR320 or similar rads will fit, I've seen someone fit a PA120.3, he added his own holes to the top mesh.
It might be possible to fit a 240mm up top and a 240mm on the bottom if the PSU is mounted on the top and is standard length (so no TX750 or 1000W units for example), but this may depend on the rad too.
Tile, I have no idea why you have such an issue over this drive system, I've used a similar design in the CM690, cooling isn't a problem in either cases, and certainly never going to overheat.
Side mounting is superior compared to front mounting in that the cables are out of the way and using space that would otherwise be unused, and infact saves space too since front mounting would eat space in the motherboard area, Antec 900/1200 is a prime example.
And definitely the HAF-932, CM690 and the upcoming ATCS840 mounting system is superb, I can install the drives in the tray within 5 seconds and the slide it in for another 1 second, no need to fiddle with stupid thumb screws and what not (hello Antec).
I'm quite sure I (and other users) have expressed this to you on another forum (XS) but obviously you do not care for actual user experiences and just go by your own hodge-podge text theory and carry on spreading the FUD.
Originally Posted by LuckyNV Installed my HAF-932 a few day ago, I can mirror pretty much everything the review highlights, great cable management (big holes), very roomy especially width, running a passive AC S1 which is taller than the card PCB by about an inch yet the 30mm thick side fan still clears it by at least 15mm.
I disliked the side window at first, but its tinted and doesn't look too bad in person, actually goes for the entire look as a whole, it looks far better in person than in pics. Sure it could look better, but when it comes down to case choices, I put cooling, features and ease of use far far far above that of external look and aesthetics.
I like that it comes with wheels and an 8pin extension cable, but the Corsair HX620 cables are long enough. Includes a PC speaker too for the BIOS beep codes, some cases these days don't have them.
Noise and airflow - Wow. That is all I can say, the 3 stock 200mm fans are perfect, only 700rpm and makes a slight airflow hum, the front LED fan isn't annoyingly bright like some regular 120mm LED fans are, its more of dull neon look hardly emitting any light.
I still put them on my fan controller anyway, undervolt down to 400-500rpm basically the fans become almost inaudible but cooling is hardly sacrificed.
My other fans are a Zalman F3 also on controller undervolted to around 1300rpm and a Corsair HX620 which is widely regarded as a super quiet PSU, passive AC S1 on my 8800GT (40C idle, 60C load FAH GPU), so overall makes for a very quiet machine.
Just because it has mesh everywhere, that doesn't matter a great deal if your components are quiet.
For those interested in watercooling, you can fit a 360mm rad up top, no modding needed, you can't use the 200m fan though. Fan spacing is standard 15mm, so Swiftech MCR320 or similar rads will fit, I've seen someone fit a PA120.3, he added his own holes to the top mesh.
It might be possible to fit a 240mm up top and a 240mm on the bottom if the PSU is mounted on the top and is standard length (so no TX750 or 1000W units for example), but this may depend on the rad too.
Tile, I have no idea why you have such an issue over this drive system, I've used a similar design in the CM690, cooling isn't a problem in either cases, and certainly never going to overheat.
Side mounting is superior compared to front mounting in that the cables are out of the way and using space that would otherwise be unused, and infact saves space too since front mounting would eat space in the motherboard area, Antec 900/1200 is a prime example.
And definitely the HAF-932, CM690 and the upcoming ATCS840 mounting system is superb, I can install the drives in the tray within 5 seconds and the slide it in for another 1 second, no need to fiddle with stupid thumb screws and what not (hello Antec).
I'm quite sure I (and other users) have expressed this to you on another forum (XS) but obviously you do not care for actual user experiences and just go by your own hodge-podge text theory and carry on spreading the FUD.
great second post.
welcome to bit-tech btw if no one has said it yet.
Originally Posted by Tile The issue with side mounted hard drives comes from direct personal experience not only theory I went to a frient to do a quick wiremanagement in a CM Centurion and the hard drives which are mounted transversally were hot even with a 120 mm front fan mounted.
well, don't be so closed-minded to bash all transversal mounts for the performance of one particular case.
there are alot of variables that affect drive temps and they are unique to each system based on drive choice, case airflow, and overall heat generated as well as ambient temperature.
With that 230mm fan blasting through the drive cage? Perfectly adequate, worked for Antec with the Sonata et al. Hard drives take very little airflow to cool.
The biggest flaw is no clear route to the case airflow pattern, which would minimise the fannage needed. Too many holes. The Bit-Tech staff may think it quiet, I bet an SPCR reviewer wouldn't.
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oh..... SNAP!!!!!!!!
*drool*
I had a similar reaction, can't wait and I think I've found my next case
"we were expecting some pretty impressive results from the HAF 932, although we certainly expecting what happened next..."
- thanks, fixed.we certainly expecting.. heh
Cool case, shame about the dust filter business tho.
We've got 2 coming for review as soon as they're run off the production line ;)
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/coolermaster_haf_932/images/25.htm
What he said... :D
I agree , I like the Industrial Army look of this case , I love the X shape on the side panel
right now i'm tempted to just go ahead with a lian-li a7010b or a77b, they're priced the same, or cooler master decides to go with a lower msrp.
I'm with you on that one, that's my type of case. I don't like the HAF 932 at all. It looks like it's been cobbled together with all sorts of mis-matching materials. There's too many styles of grill etc, it just looks messy to me.
It was thoughtful of them to include an ashtray though: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/10/cooler-master-haf-932/15.jpg ;)
Perfect to go with this:D
hmm i was curious and searched and found some pics, looks nice indeed but have been told it would cost around 270 dollars :(
naked shots here
Damn overlooked someone else already posted a link to it.
What i do like about the HAF is the modifiability for a industrial like Half Life theme or something. And my mind was going in to overload in how to fit a 240 and 120mm rad into it with 2 reservoirs and eheim pumps.
I disliked the side window at first, but its tinted and doesn't look too bad in person, actually goes for the entire look as a whole, it looks far better in person than in pics. Sure it could look better, but when it comes down to case choices, I put cooling, features and ease of use far far far above that of external look and aesthetics.
I like that it comes with wheels and an 8pin extension cable, but the Corsair HX620 cables are long enough. Includes a PC speaker too for the BIOS beep codes, some cases these days don't have them.
Noise and airflow - Wow. That is all I can say, the 3 stock 200mm fans are perfect, only 700rpm and makes a slight airflow hum, the front LED fan isn't annoyingly bright like some regular 120mm LED fans are, its more of dull neon look hardly emitting any light.
I still put them on my fan controller anyway, undervolt down to 400-500rpm basically the fans become almost inaudible but cooling is hardly sacrificed.
My other fans are a Zalman F3 also on controller undervolted to around 1300rpm and a Corsair HX620 which is widely regarded as a super quiet PSU, passive AC S1 on my 8800GT (40C idle, 60C load FAH GPU), so overall makes for a very quiet machine.
Just because it has mesh everywhere, that doesn't matter a great deal if your components are quiet.
For those interested in watercooling, you can fit a 360mm rad up top, no modding needed, you can't use the 200m fan though. Fan spacing is standard 15mm, so Swiftech MCR320 or similar rads will fit, I've seen someone fit a PA120.3, he added his own holes to the top mesh.
It might be possible to fit a 240mm up top and a 240mm on the bottom if the PSU is mounted on the top and is standard length (so no TX750 or 1000W units for example), but this may depend on the rad too.
Tile, I have no idea why you have such an issue over this drive system, I've used a similar design in the CM690, cooling isn't a problem in either cases, and certainly never going to overheat.
Side mounting is superior compared to front mounting in that the cables are out of the way and using space that would otherwise be unused, and infact saves space too since front mounting would eat space in the motherboard area, Antec 900/1200 is a prime example.
And definitely the HAF-932, CM690 and the upcoming ATCS840 mounting system is superb, I can install the drives in the tray within 5 seconds and the slide it in for another 1 second, no need to fiddle with stupid thumb screws and what not (hello Antec).
I'm quite sure I (and other users) have expressed this to you on another forum (XS) but obviously you do not care for actual user experiences and just go by your own hodge-podge text theory and carry on spreading the FUD.
great second post.
welcome to bit-tech btw if no one has said it yet.
well, don't be so closed-minded to bash all transversal mounts for the performance of one particular case.
there are alot of variables that affect drive temps and they are unique to each system based on drive choice, case airflow, and overall heat generated as well as ambient temperature.
With that 230mm fan blasting through the drive cage? Perfectly adequate, worked for Antec with the Sonata et al. Hard drives take very little airflow to cool.
The biggest flaw is no clear route to the case airflow pattern, which would minimise the fannage needed. Too many holes. The Bit-Tech staff may think it quiet, I bet an SPCR reviewer wouldn't.