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Zalman ZMachine LQ1000

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Ending Credits 19th September 2008, 08:50 Quote
I saw this case a while back. £400 is quite a lot to pay but I guess you get a £200 case and a £200 WC setup.
The boy 4rm oz 19th September 2008, 09:06 Quote
For what you pay for it it better perform well lol. I would still rather an NZXT Kaos with a custom water loop.
[USRF]Obiwan 19th September 2008, 09:51 Quote
Why not included chipset and/or videocard into the loop. On my own WC rig its a pre running a 240 rad for chipset and cpu and a 120 rad on the vidcard (from aqua-computer). With the 120mm fans being noctua's and the pump a Eheim. Its absolutely silence. The 4 samsung HD's in my system make more noise.
mrb_no1 19th September 2008, 09:51 Quote
it doesnt cool the gpu, but then you might be able to add that later, although their pump might not push enough water through to cool both of them, hmmmmmmmmmm
ChaosDefinesOrder 19th September 2008, 10:17 Quote
I'd be interested to see what the performance is like when a high powered graphics card is added to the loop - do you guys have a BFG GTX 280 WC knocking around at all?

Any chance of an addendum to include something like this?
Baz 19th September 2008, 10:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by mrb_no1
it doesnt cool the gpu, but then you might be able to add that later, although their pump might not push enough water through to cool both of them, hmmmmmmmmmm

The manual says that the loop will happily cope with cooling a graphics card too, and you get more than enough spare tubing to accommodate this. Sorry for not mentioning this in the review, although switching the GFX card would have made our GPU stress test results somewhat meaningless.
mrb_no1 19th September 2008, 10:34 Quote
oh nice to hear, thanks for adding that Baz, although it might have been nice to see how good the loop is with a 4800 or 280 as they are the biggest single card power draws so it would really test the loop and see of proficient it is at cooling. off for a run,

peace

fatman
badders 19th September 2008, 10:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Baz
The manual says that the loop will happily cope with cooling a graphics card too, and you get more than enough spare tubing to accommodate this. Sorry for not mentioning this in the review, although switching the GFX card would have made our GPU stress test results somewhat meaningless.

This is true, but then this case doesn't really directly compare to the other air-cooled cases that are tested in the same way.

BTW, I never grasped the scale of the Asus Silent square pro until my friend got one for his P4 setup the othe day - it fills the rest of the space in his case!
karx11erx 19th September 2008, 11:18 Quote
What's the point of using water cooling if you do not include at the least gfx card (and probably the HDs) in the cooling loop? If you want a silent system, that would be a must.
[USRF]Obiwan 19th September 2008, 12:51 Quote
When can we expect the new Antec in the bt office?

http://tweakers.net/ext/i/1220008660.jpg
Baz 19th September 2008, 13:18 Quote
test bench +desk fan = done! ;)

Seriously though, we've requested it, it shouldn't be too long.
Goty 19th September 2008, 14:19 Quote
I definitely wouldn't try adding a video card to that loop with the pump pushing less than a liter per hour through the loop. My absolute lower limit on flow in my loop is somewhere around 3 liters per hour. Add in the fact that most video card blocks are quite restrictive on top of the sheer heat load a video card would add into the loop and you'll see that it wouldn't be in your best interest to try adding a GPU waterblock.
naokaji 19th September 2008, 15:30 Quote
The cooling performance is rather poor, 3C difference in cpu temp to the hyper osiris when idle and 4c under load, plus the gpu running hotter than a whole range of "normal" cases and that for 400£... sorry, but I'll have to call it a failure.
Bindibadgi 19th September 2008, 16:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by naokaji
The cooling performance is rather poor, 3C difference in cpu temp to the hyper osiris when idle and 4c under load, plus the gpu running hotter than a whole range of "normal" cases and that for 400£... sorry, but I'll have to call it a failure.

You're not taking into account noise difference which is massive between any aircooled case on high and this on low. Plus, with respectively less airflow through the case the passively cooler graphics card is bound to heat up. Zalman designs its products to be the right balance between noise and cooling, and this works very well to achieve this.
Broken Dwarf 19th September 2008, 16:28 Quote
There's one bit I don't really like : "four terabytes of storage (or soon more) – more than most will ever need.". Err... what?
Aparently we'll be all dead in 5 years if Moore's law is to be believed( on the basis that we won't "ever" need more than 4 TB of storage OR more than 4 drive bays.) You can't assume we won't use more than 4 drives. What about RAID 50 / 60? This is bananas!
Otto69 19th September 2008, 17:04 Quote
Again Zalman uses the fin and tube style radiator. Why don't they use the more efficient automotive style radiator?

The thick aluminum is nice, but I'd rather have a better radiator and quieter fans.
Boogle 19th September 2008, 18:56 Quote
To be honest, given the price I'd rather get a Koolance Lian Li case. Vastly superior cooling, for only a little more outlay. Plus the Lian Li cases are more spacious albeit at the expense of super-thick paneling.
Bindibadgi 19th September 2008, 19:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Broken Dwarf
There's one bit I don't really like : "four terabytes of storage (or soon more) – more than most will ever need.". Err... what?
Aparently we'll be all dead in 5 years if Moore's law is to be believed( on the basis that we won't "ever" need more than 4 TB of storage OR more than 4 drive bays.) You can't assume we won't use more than 4 drives. What about RAID 50 / 60? This is bananas!

He meant right now, that's why it had in brackets "(or more soon)" - in time hard drive density will grow allowing bigger capacities, but without additional cooling I wouldn't want to cram more than four in to be honest.
Redbeaver 19th September 2008, 20:35 Quote
very sweet case.

unacceptable price though.

but thats just me and my poor wallet.
Jasio 19th September 2008, 20:46 Quote
Looks like an awesome bundle... steep price, but this review definitely confirms the "You get what you pay for" slogan when it comes to cases and WC. I'm not *too* font of the front of the case, but it isn't bad. I wouldn't say no, if someone offered me one of these. It's nice to see Zalman provide such a product, that really tackled the serious issues that were put forth by customers. Kudos to Zalman.
Darkraven 19th September 2008, 22:12 Quote
Love it or hate it, at least it's nice to see Zalman in the thick of things. I wonder if the market warrents the time and expence for what appears to be limited sales of such an expensive case. I would think limited but that's a quess on my part. I would spend my money on a Lian Li and the rest toward buying cooling that I like, but that's just me.

I'd rather see Zalman spend the time in coming up with the answer to dethrone the Thermalright 120 ultra. The noisy S9700 is not the answer. Seems to me they have the ability to do so if they put their mind to it. My S9500 is getting long in the tooth, are you reading this Zalman? (Just in case-LOL)
Jasio 19th September 2008, 23:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tile
For the price of this case you can get a good DIY watercooling kit that can be mounted in a decent case (Akasa Infiniti ZOR) which puts to shame Zalman's offering.

And each and every component has its own warranty, and if defective, is sent to a different part of the world, to be handled by different (good or bad) kinds of tech support, while you pay individual postage (or go to the store to replace it). The Zalman is supposed to make WC "easier" and in this regard, any fault in the system, you just get a new case, deal with one warranty, and one company. They've simply consolidated it all. It's the same reason that there are people out there who will pay $120,000 for a Lexus to park itself (parallel), over those who don't... if you have the money, and it makes things easier, you go for it.
Baz 20th September 2008, 00:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tile
For the price of this case you can get a good DIY watercooling kit that can be mounted in a decent case (Akasa Infiniti ZOR) which puts to shame Zalman's offering.

This is pretty much what we said in the review. While you'll get better and cheaper watercooling performance elsewhere, you won't get as high a quality product, or have the watercooling so well integrated into the case design.
[USRF]Obiwan 20th September 2008, 09:24 Quote
Thats bs. There are way better Higher Quality water blocks, connectors, hoses, rads and even pumps out there some even with a lifetime warranty compared to this case and his wc components. For around 400 euro you have a complete wc kit with all the whistles and bells including HQ 360 rad, HQ CPU block, HQ GPU block, HQ Chipset block, HQ Eheim pump, hoses and connectors. I watercool my systems since 2001 so I know where I am talking about.
overdosedelusion 20th September 2008, 09:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Baz
This is pretty much what we said in the review. While you'll get better and cheaper watercooling performance elsewhere, you won't get as high a quality product, or have the watercooling so well integrated into the case design.

Takes the fun out of it, booo :P

Still, it looks pretty delicious.
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