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Silverstone Lascala LC20M HTPC case

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Mister_Tad 10th May 2006, 16:37 Quote
Best review ever for the fact that I now know how to make the VFD and IR on my newly purchased LC11M actually work!
RotoSequence 10th May 2006, 17:18 Quote
Silverstone's Lascala series cases are nice, but this seems to be a point that many have touched on - so much under-utilized potential. Nice review though ;)
specofdust 11th May 2006, 17:55 Quote
Great review, the case seems supurb, but $250, which(from what I've seen of US>UK HTPC prices) means £250 here, is far too much for a case in my opinion. Especially considering the one without the VFD costs around £80-100 less.

Is a case like this really worth money though, if you have a spare ATX sitting around? Just for making something look polite next to your Amp and CD player, or is it usefull for all? The heat thing was really surprising, I was expecting you to tell us it was in the 40's at least within the case, 25C is fantastic, and I gotta say, something that does make its cheaper brother seem attractive for future HTPC ventures.
LoveJoy 11th May 2006, 21:48 Quote
Thoes are great for hometheatter use but in normal use I think that price too much. Still if money isn't object then i recomend :P
IanW 13th May 2006, 22:14 Quote
Good review, except for a couple of points relating to the VFD:-

1:- The ATX extension lead does not actually power the VFD. The breakout to the VFD enables you to switch the PC on with the remote (off is easy).

2:- My cunning plan for masses of USB sockets taking up all my mobo headers involves modding a USB hub
to fit inside the case - input from mobo headers, power from a floppy molex.
Da Dego 14th May 2006, 03:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanW
Good review, except for a couple of points relating to the VFD:-

1:- The ATX extension lead does not actually power the VFD. The breakout to the VFD enables you to switch the PC on with the remote (off is easy).

2:- My cunning plan for masses of USB sockets taking up all my mobo headers involves modding a USB hub
to fit inside the case - input from mobo headers, power from a floppy molex.
Thanks for the reply, IanW!

Actually, in respect to your points...the breakout cable does indeed power the VFD. There is not sufficient power provided by the USB port to control the device. But, you are correct that the primary function to powering through the mobo connection is to be able to turn the system on via the VFD.

I think I failed to make this point clear in my review. The system is turned on by the VFD through a hookup that actually allows the VFD the same wires as the power switch (thus connecting to the power switch pinouts on the front panel area of the motherboard). The power coming from the mobo breakout is 'always on' as opposed to other connections, which only turn on when the system has started booting. So, by keeping VFD power always on, it can receive the IR signal to trip the power switch as if the front panel's switch was pressed. Rather ingenious, but they still could have made it much smaller, which was the point I was trying to make. :)

As for your mod for the USB header, please make sure to post that in the Modding or Electronics forums when you plan/complete it!!!
specofdust 14th May 2006, 03:33 Quote
I noticed something intresting in a link hitman012 provided to another forum member for a 330W Seasonic PSU.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=277839

Theres a statement on that page stating that the Seasonic PSU's are not compatable with the silverstone case VFD's. Do you know anything about that Da Dego? It sounds odd, especially considering a low power Seasonic PSU would seem like the perfect companion to a case for the living room.

edit: confused words, fixed.
Da Dego 14th May 2006, 16:29 Quote
Interesting. I'm afraid I don't know as much about that one, Spec. But I can get in contact with both companies (we have good contacts with each of them) if there is interest on this issue. I know that with the Antec PSU that I used (the Phantom 350), I did not have this incompatibility...but the only reason I didn't have a Seasonic in there was because I had both of my 430's currently in other systems!
specofdust 14th May 2006, 17:02 Quote
That's ok Da Dego, it just seems curious that the two companies would have incompatable products, when they have a very compatable ethos. I'm sure whichever has the issue will sort it within a few months, since both companies seem very eager to please.

It does seem odd though, Seasonic PSU's scream HTPC.
Geggan 15th May 2006, 19:51 Quote
I have a question about this case.

Is it possible to use an universal remote like Logitech Harmony series to power on the system?

About the incompatibility between the Seasonic psu and the VFD, according to komplett.se (a large Swedish online store) the Seasonic PSUs is recommended products for Silverstone HTPC chassis. Wierd if they are not compatible.
Da Dego 15th May 2006, 20:12 Quote
Welcome to the forums, Geggan!

Yes, a logitech harmony remote (or, in my case, I programmed my dell axim to be my remote with NetRemote) will function with the case. You simply set your universal remote to 'learn' the remote that came with the case. :) Hope that helps!
Geggan 17th May 2006, 12:16 Quote
Thanks Da Dego!

Anything new about the incompatibility with the PSU and VFD?

My plan was to use a Seasonic 380W S12 PSU to this case but if it's unsure if it will work correctly I'm looking for another PSU.

Do you have any suggestions on a quite PSU in the same price-range ans the Seasonic?
bsruth 19th May 2006, 00:45 Quote
I am between this case and the Zalman HD160. I cannot see any reason to not go with the Silverstone. Does anyone have a good reason to spend the extra money on the Zalman?
Asphix 19th May 2006, 15:30 Quote
I personally like the zalman for asthetic purposes and build quality. It looks like it was polished a bit more and looks more like a true piece of A/V equipment. I also like the fact that there are no doors to open to reach the optical drives in the Zalman as well as various other small details.

The zalman has an integrated smart-card reader, more professional looking finish, the back of the unit looks cleaner as theres more black back there lending to the more polished and professional look/feel. The feet of the case have a very professional home audio/visual feel to them. It also looks like it would be easy to plug up the power and HD activity lights for the Zalman so they dont distract you while watching TV/movies.

Again, all little things that ultimately rely on preference.. nothing earth shatteringly obvious that I can tell (like huge temperature differences or limitations on hardware compatability). The silverstone can hold more HDs.. but why you'd realistically need 6 hard drives in anything other than a file server is beyond me.

Now I just need to wait a few months for the 965 based mobos to come out (looking at the P5N Deluxe by asus) so I can ensure maximum conroe/vista compatability and I'll be buying the Zalman along with the rest of the makings for a new system. Plan is to use the intel 805D i bought the other day OC'ed to 3.6ghz-3.8ghz until conroe matures a bit :-D

I'll be using the roomy case to build a speedy HTPC and hopefully be able to do all my computing from my couch, from gaming to e-mail, to movies. Just need the Phantom Lapboard to be released and I'll be a very happy camper.

Thanks for the great review!!
Da Dego 19th May 2006, 18:19 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geggan
Thanks Da Dego!

Anything new about the incompatibility with the PSU and VFD?

My plan was to use a Seasonic 380W S12 PSU to this case but if it's unsure if it will work correctly I'm looking for another PSU.

Do you have any suggestions on a quite PSU in the same price-range ans the Seasonic?

Hiya Geggan, sorry it took me a little to get back to you. For some reason, it didn't show me this post had new content til today.

I have not had any confirmed disagreement from either side regarding the PSU and the VFD. That said, I may try it with one of the S-12 430 PSUs I have...but that would be down the line, as I have both of them in more powerful (and power hungry) systems at the moment.

As for something comparable, you can use the same PSU I used in the review...it's priced similarly to Seasonic's models. The unit is the Antec Phantom 350. Just a note that it is ENTIRELY passive, it has no fan...As I mentioned, I had no problems with this, but depending what power-hungry system you shove in there, your mileage may vary.
Ivan Peters 25th May 2006, 19:56 Quote
Anything further on the compatability issue? I'm planning on using a Silverstone LC 20 M case with a Seasonic S12-600HT PSU but am holding off till I know if there will be an issue with them. Itching to get the system ordered and built!
Da Dego 13th July 2006, 15:42 Quote
Hate to revive this, but I wanted to finally answer this question.

I did indeed try this case with the Seasonic-S12 430 finally, and found it to work absolutely fine.

There is no compatibility issue with Seasonic and Silverstone as far as I can discern. :D
putergod 14th May 2008, 05:51 Quote
I hate to revive this as well, especially for a "first post", but Da Dego stated earlier in this thread that this case is compatible with learning universal remotes.
Well, I tried learning all the buttons on the iMon remote to my Philips SRU8015. The SRU showed every key as successfully learned, but would not control the case at all. I read elswhere that learning remotes (particularly the Logitech ones) would work, so I emailed Silverstone tech support inquiring about it, and this is the email chain from them:
Quote:

From: usasupport [mailto:usasupport@silverstonetek.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:29 PM
To: Morris, Michael S
Subject: Re: LC20M

sorry there is no way to upgrade it , but all our new cases are now shipping with and LCD display + IR receiver that is compatible with other remote controls

new cases
GD01MXR
CW02
ML02

Joel

----- Original Message -----

From: Morris, Michael
To: usasupport
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: LC20M


Is there an update to it then?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: usasupport [mailto:usasupport@silverstonetek.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:04 PM
To: Morris, Michael S
Subject: Re: LC20M

Hi,

unfortunally the IR in your case will not work with other remote controls it will only work with the provide Imonpad remote control

Joel

----- Original Message -----

From: Morris, Michael S
To: usasupport@silverstonetekcom
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:21 AM
Subject: LC20M

I have a LC20M case that I use as the chassis for my HTPC at home. I recently acquired a Philips SRU8010 universal learning remote. I tried to learn all of the iMon’s remote buttons on the Philips remote, and the display on the Philips remote says each button was successfully learned, however, it will not control the PC. I have read mixed items on the web concerning this issue - some state that Silverstone claims the VFD/IR on the LC*M cases will work with universal learning remotes, and some say that it is proprietary and no universal remote will work. I also read that the VFD/IR was changed recently in order to allow universal remotes to work.

Please tell me which it is. Is it possible to get my new remote to control this system using the hardware I purchased when I purchased the case (was the biggest reason I chose a Silverstone), and if so, how?

Thanks!




Any comments? I really want to control this thing with a remote that will control everything else I have (and the Philips does the latter well).
Thanks!
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