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CM Praetorian 730 & Musketeer 3

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EarlGrey 8th September 2005, 10:54 Quote
I bought the 732, which is the same but with a flatter door. What I do love about this case is just how solid it feels. The door is nice and thick with a very sturdy hinge. The problems you pointed out I would agree with (one of my fan cables doesn't reach the fan header!), but I have never used those fancy screwless drive slots on the cheaper cases so I shall sit in my ignorance and say there is no difference!

Good review though!
But wouldn't having a door render using the Musketeer somewhat pointless?
eddie_dane 8th September 2005, 13:52 Quote
I set this case loose to my daughter for a while who is quite the music lover. I don't see the door defeating the musketeer, it allows you to hide it or enjoy it. The door gives you the choice. Since the door swings so wide (nearly all they way to the side of the case) it's not problem leaving it open. She loves the musketeer.
RTT 8th September 2005, 14:15 Quote
Great review, excellent pics :D
-:: M@ ::- 8th September 2005, 14:28 Quote
'The sound is quieter due to signal loss as there is no amplification'

Not sure if im wrong, but isn't the whole point of valves in sound is for amplification/boost and pre-amp uses, the valve is the actual amplifier?

- M@
eddie_dane 8th September 2005, 15:08 Quote
I'm not going to presume to be a vacuum expert here, I can only testify to my actual listening experience with the product. It wasn't a matter of my specific sample of the product either as Cooler Master brought this situation to my attention prior to me even getting it.

Here is one line from the user's manual.

"This product adopts vacuum tubes as an audio signal controller, giving the amplified PC output sound signals the smoother and gentler classical feel."
cpemma 8th September 2005, 15:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by -:: M@ ::-
'The sound is quieter due to signal loss as there is no amplification'

Not sure if im wrong, but isn't the whole point of valves in sound is for amplification/boost and pre-amp uses, the valve is the actual amplifier?
A valve (tube) buffer stage (with no voltage amplification) is sometimes used in audiophile designs. It turns a $5 amplifier IC (eg LM3875) into a $5,000 system. So they do say.

At the end of the day, distortion from valves is different to distortion from transistors. But if you hear a difference, at least one of them's distorted.
Jock 8th September 2005, 17:13 Quote
The innards are very similar to a wavemaster.

But, with a door and a 120mm intake fan.

Doesn't coolermaster look at other cases on the market, to see what gets recommended ...

I think coolermaster should open their eyes, and stop producing jazzed up cases of 5 years ago.
Da Dego 8th September 2005, 19:13 Quote
Eh, jock, in a way I can agree with you, but in reality, what cases get the top modding reviews? What do we compare things to? The cases that Coolermaster built 5 years ago. Why change a good thing, when you can instead find subtle improvements to something people already love?

To me, instead of throwing out a half-baked idea every year, they keep refining the idea they have. That's not a bad thing, and it apparently answers a lot of peoples' wishes (judging by sales, modding, etc). It saves the all-too-common problem of "Remember THAT case? Oh, they don't make it anymore? It had so many great features...if only they would have made a few changes to it."

Wavemaster and Centurion are still some of the most sought after, modded cases that are for sale. I think there's probably a reason for that, and the continuous refinement of it is a good move.

Personally, the door is not to my taste. The entire rest of the case, however, very much is.

Oh, and nice review, Chris! Now steal it back from your daughter and mod the thing!
cpemma 8th September 2005, 21:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jock
The innards are very similar to a wavemaster. But, with a door and a 120mm intake fan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Dego
Why change a good thing, when you can instead find subtle improvements to something people already love?
It's market-driven, we want a quieter PC but better cooling. So change to 120mm fannage. Antec are another with similar "subtle improvements" to well-liked designs. Occasionally they shoot themselves in the foot (3700BQE) but then put it right next time (3800B).

Shame about the fixed door, hinge is on the wrong side for under my desk. :|
Jock 9th September 2005, 20:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Dego
Eh, jock, in a way I can agree with you, but in reality, what cases get the top modding reviews? What do we compare things to? The cases that Coolermaster built 5 years ago. Why change a good thing, when you can instead find subtle improvements to something people already love?

To me, instead of throwing out a half-baked idea every year, they keep refining the idea they have. That's not a bad thing, and it apparently answers a lot of peoples' wishes (judging by sales, modding, etc). It saves the all-too-common problem of "Remember THAT case? Oh, they don't make it anymore? It had so many great features...if only they would have made a few changes to it."

Wavemaster and Centurion are still some of the most sought after, modded cases that are for sale. I think there's probably a reason for that, and the continuous refinement of it is a good move.

Personally, the door is not to my taste. The entire rest of the case, however, very much is.

Oh, and nice review, Chris! Now steal it back from your daughter and mod the thing!



What I'm trying to say is... they had a winner case with the wavemaster, but all they needed to do to make it perfect for me is.... 2 x 120mm case fans, and locate the USB/Firewire ports on the front, or maybe the side. That way it'd be perfect even for a watercooled set up, allowing room for an easy install of a 120.2 rad, plus giving better & quieter cooling with the 120mm case fan set up.
koola 9th September 2005, 21:11 Quote
I'm more of a lian-li fan, but the Praetorian 730 is just ugly :(

I prefer the wavemaster anyday!
Kipman725 9th September 2005, 23:26 Quote
wavemaster is very prety but not too practical, it screams for 120mm fans and some kind of mesh in the front door to allow that fan some air. Also it's pricy.
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