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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide August 2013

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rollo 23rd August 2013, 11:56 Quote
bit never put in stuff they have not tested themselves, AMD have not sent a cpu to test id imagine so its pretty much they would be buying it themselves and testing it.

people do more than game on there pcs also, if you only want to game a i5 750 is still more than enough for 99% of games out there. Not alot of games are cpu dependent anymore, Those that are want a super fast single thread like Civ 5, football manager 2013 been the big 2 ( in terms of unit sales) that require a quick single thread.
teppic 23rd August 2013, 12:21 Quote
The application benchmarks are in that post too. The result for the 6350 is even higher, when overclocked matching an i5 pretty much.

The problem is that a more expensive CPU that on average performs worse is being recommended, together with a board that as sold may not even work with the CPU. I can't imagine AMD would object to sending a CPU that retails at ~£85 for testing.

In Civ 5, the 6300 (at stock) and the i3 3225 perform about the same:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/FX-6300-FX-4300/FX-6300-FX-4300-45.jpg
Harlequin 23rd August 2013, 12:29 Quote
BT have said they wont test any more AM3 cpu`s - hence why they haven't used any this year

the FX6300 series is the one to get for the mid range - and given how games are now pretty much GPU limited , a cheaper AMD rig , in real world gaming , is just as good as a far more expensive intel rig.

BF3 is just 1 example.

btw hyper threading , in games , isn't all its cracked up to be
thogil 23rd August 2013, 17:43 Quote
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I don't use Windows 7's start menu, since I prefer the XP menu, and I use ClassicShell to get it. It has the search functionality, but I seldom use it, I use a Cygwin terminal window if I want to type to start a program. I generally use the start menu for selecting a program based on categorization / spatial navigation / muscle memory.

For someone who enjoys using the terminal, it is interesting that you continue to use the start menu GUI in the most inefficient way possible. No matter how good your muscle memory is, you will be faster typing the first few letters of the name and hitting enter, and that will work for everything on the system, rather than only the few programs or files that you have placed at a shallow menu depth.
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Windows has had "native" support for zips since at least XP SP2, and I've disabled it ever since it was implemented, because it bogs down Explorer and litters the treeview with in-zip directories. MS have had an ISO mounter freely downloadable from their site since at least the early 2000s too. Having these baked in is not an advantage to me.

Having them pre-installed and having them open as if they were standard directories is clearly an improvement over what came before, even if you do not deem it a significant improvement. Complaints about zip file support bogging down explorer is laughable. Perhaps if you were loading your data from a floppy disk, the performance impact might become measurable.
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Windows has supported multi-monitor wallpapers ever since it supported multiple monitors. The trick to it was that you had to compose your wallpapers on a single bitmap and set it as the tiled wallpaper.

And now you do not need to do that. You can have the OS cycle through a large set of images alternately on each screen. You can have a screens with differing resolutions and aspect ratios, and maintain correct scaling/cropping/centring options.
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Multi-monitor taskbars are another non-advantage. I have an infinitely configurable desktop at work (Linux) that can easily do that, but I'd rather spend the extra centimetre on my browser window. Widescreen monitors aren't high enough as it is.

It is more useful once you have 3 screens, especially if you move windows around between monitors frequently. I do with 16:10 was more common, though.
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I generally pause file copy / moves with Ctrl-Z. If you've never used the terminal, you may not know what I'm talking about...

And being able to do this in the GUI is still a large improvement over not being able to do it in the GUI. Your implication that if someone does not use the command line for all file transfers, they must be inferior compter users to you is extremely condescending, as is your assumption that someone who does not agree with your dislike of windows and love of linux must be someone unfamiliar with the terminal.
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The biggest disadvantage is encouraging MS's further adventures in TPM and locked down boot loaders.

There are valid concerns about TPM, but nearly all vendors use it, and it is not something specific to micosoft. Secure boot is also a valid complaint about MS locking down tablet hardware, but that criticism should also be levelled at their competitors too. Secure boot can be disabled in the bios on other hardware.
roundyz 23rd August 2013, 17:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
It's premium not pointless - we don't just ramp up the specs as we go through the article for the sake of it ;) Seriously though, the testing we've done showed that very few situations benefit from more than 8GB of RAM, and even where they did the difference was small, while the move from 4GB to 8GB is far, far more beneficial. This is why the affordable all-rounder now includes it too. I dare say in the next buyer's guide (hopefully won't be as long this time!) the Premium Player may well include 16GB.

I was not refering to the quantity of ram, but it's speed. The mobo supports (from the gigabyte website)

Support for DDR3 3000(O.C.) / 2933(O.C.) / 2800(O.C.) / 2666(O.C.) / 2600(O.C.) / 2500(O.C.) / 2400(O.C.) / 2200(O.C.) / 2133(O.C.) / 2000(O.C.) / 1866(O.C.) / 1800(O.C.) / 1600 / 1333 MHz

And there are faster modules out there...
Xir 23rd August 2013, 21:43 Quote
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Until quite recently, there wasn't actually a great deal to talk about where new hardware is concerned
No worthwile news in the last 12 months...It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

Anyway, good to see this back.
xela333 24th August 2013, 11:43 Quote
I agree with BT's use of the i3 instead of the AMD 6300.

Recently built a budget gaming rig for a friend and thought I'd give the 6 core a go. Regret it in every way. The AMD board (MSI 970) and the chip run hotter than I could have imagined. Compared to every Intel system I've built recently, the AMD build is hot, even running idle. Using a 3rd party cooler too and the performance is not that great either. i3 all the way.
Harlequin 24th August 2013, 12:17 Quote
I ask this question once again - when will bit tech make its software suite vaquely relevant or in this decade? its so old its laughable.
CAT-THE-FIFTH 24th August 2013, 18:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by xela333
I agree with BT's use of the i3 instead of the AMD 6300.

Recently built a budget gaming rig for a friend and thought I'd give the 6 core a go. Regret it in every way. The AMD board (MSI 970) and the chip run hotter than I could have imagined. Compared to every Intel system I've built recently, the AMD build is hot, even running idle. Using a 3rd party cooler too and the performance is not that great either. i3 all the way.

It seems more a problem with the build than any issue with the CPU. I know quite a few people who have done builds with them and they seem fine,and many who have extensive Steam libraries.

Moreover,my Core i3 2120(which is not much slower than a Core i3 3220),was more of a bottleneck in modern games using some of the new engines than any of my mates who had an FX6300. It was a good thing I ditched it while it had some value still for a Core i5.
Luay 25th August 2013, 10:51 Quote
One of the reasons I'm holding out for my new build is the new 802.11ac wireless standard.

Premium motherboards that include built-in wireless capabilities have not yet implemented the new standard. Currently there are a few USB 3.0 wireless adapters and just one PCI-E wifi card from Asus that do offer it and that's about it for now. Routers also should be compatible with the new standard for it to be functional. The difference in speed between the old and the new is 4 fold on paper.

Also, two legendary components have been replaced with newer ones without an explanation.

How is the SS Argon better than the CM Hyper 212 Evo, and how is the Creative SB Z better than the Asus Xonar DX 7.1? I do take BT's word for what it is, but that's after a thorough review!
Corky42 25th August 2013, 12:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Luay
How is the SS Argon better than the CM Hyper 212 Evo, and how is the Creative SB Z better than the Asus Xonar DX 7.1? I do take BT's word for what it is, but that's after a thorough review!

How about
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/05/26/asus-xonar-dx-pci-express-soundcard/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/02/11/creative-sound-blaster-z-review/1
And
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2013/05/02/silverstone-argon-ar01-review/1
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2007/11/19/cooler_master_hyper_tx2_and_212/3
Last one isn't the EVO, so not sure how much difference that makes.
nemmfesta 25th August 2013, 15:08 Quote
Wow its like you answered my question from the forum i posted a week ago asking for an update to this, much appreciated keep up the good work................now lets see what i can get for my monies hehe
loftie 25th August 2013, 15:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
The decision for the 760 over the 670 makes sense for an article such as this as ultimately the 670 is EOL.

Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 from affordable all rounder.

A side note could still have been made imo.
devdevil85 30th August 2013, 18:26 Quote
So glad BT brought this back even if I don't agree with everything they recommend.
LightningPete 3rd September 2013, 21:07 Quote
Is this a figment of my imagination or has the buyers guide returned from the dead?
VipersGratitude 3rd September 2013, 22:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by LightningPete
Is this a figment of my imagination or has the buyers guide returned from the dead?

It's a figment of your imagination. Kill them all as they sleep.
j_jay4 9th September 2013, 14:35 Quote
When's September's buyer's guide coming out?
mrbens 12th September 2013, 01:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by loftie
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Originally Posted by xaser04
The decision for the 760 over the 670 makes sense for an article such as this as ultimately the 670 is EOL.

Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 from affordable all rounder.

A side note could still have been made imo.

670 beats 760 on every test and is currently £5 cheaper on Scan at £179.60.

Very tempted to upgrade my ageing 460 with the 670 :D
D B 14th January 2014, 14:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
..... I dare say in the next buyer's guide (hopefully won't be as long this time!) ....

yeah, I can see this is now back to being a "regular" feature now :shrug:
D B 16th April 2014, 14:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
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Originally Posted by roundyz
Whats premium about this "8GB 1,600MHz DDR3" ? Its the same as the others..

It's premium not pointless - we don't just ramp up the specs as we go through the article for the sake of it ;) Seriously though, the testing we've done showed that very few situations benefit from more than 8GB of RAM, and even where they did the difference was small, while the move from 4GB to 8GB is far, far more beneficial. This is why the affordable all-rounder now includes it too. I dare say in the next buyer's guide (hopefully won't be as long this time!) the Premium Player may well include 16GB.
"(I dare say in the next buyer's guide (hopefully won't be as long this time!)"
LOL .. well , looks like another year will go by before we get the next Buyers Guide, doesn't it

. you well know that this guide is a feature that many like, and one to which I direct people who are interested in building their own PC's .. It's really too bad you don't take better care of it .
Randomeclipse 11th May 2014, 20:09 Quote
I agree with the others sentiments that it's a real shame this is only updated on an annual basis - it's guide gold!
j_jay4 11th May 2014, 21:34 Quote
Now bit-tech is in the hands of David Ross maybe the buyer's guide will get updated more regularly. Like his weekly buyers guide over on Hexus. I can't seem to find the second week's guide on Mid Range Systems
D B 24th May 2014, 15:59 Quote
Buyers Guide 2012 - August
Buyers Guide 2013 - August

Good News! ... only 3 more months until the next buyers guide comes out!


:P
trintragular 24th May 2014, 17:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by D B
Buyers Guide 2012 - August
Buyers Guide 2013 - August

Good News! ... only 3 more months until the next buyers guide comes out!


:P

Perhaps they're hinting that hardware should only ever be bought in August... :D
-EVRE- 1st June 2014, 04:22 Quote
Hardware buyers guide dead? :(
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