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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide August 2012

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dariun 2nd September 2012, 22:27 Quote
How come they chose the BitFenix and not the Define Mini?

They mentioned it was a fairly flimsy case and lacking in build quality....how does it compare to the Define Mini, anyone know? Thanks!
Valinor 3rd September 2012, 09:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by dariun
How come they chose the BitFenix and not the Define Mini?

They mentioned it was a fairly flimsy case and lacking in build quality....how does it compare to the Define Mini, anyone know? Thanks!

Define Mini is a microATX case, the BitFenix is a miniITX case. I don't think that bit-tech have reviewed the Define Mini, but they wouldn't choose it over the BitFenix for the miniITX build because they're trying to get as small as possible.

Hope that helped.
DbD 3rd September 2012, 15:27 Quote
It's amazing how little stuff has moved on recently - cpu's, memory, mb have barely changed since the i2500K hit the scene (sure names are different but performance/£ and features are about the same). Still recommending 120gb SSD + HDD of similar size - crucial m4 is a pretty old SSD too.

Only thing that has taken a step forward is graphics, but even that's not huge - there are faster cards but they cost even more, performance/£ is only a little better then the last gen gave.
Combatus 4th September 2012, 13:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by docodine
So.... Does the Zotac 660ti fit in the Prodigy with the upper drive cage still in then?...

We can confirm that the Zotac short PCB GTX 660 Ti does fit in the Prodigy with the uppper drive cage installed. The card shroud means you'll have to remove the graphics card to remove the cage (it overlaps it by a cm or two) but it doesn't prevent you using the cage - the PCB is short enough not to foul the drive cage area.
dariun 4th September 2012, 13:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Valinor
Quote:
Originally Posted by dariun
How come they chose the BitFenix and not the Define Mini?

They mentioned it was a fairly flimsy case and lacking in build quality....how does it compare to the Define Mini, anyone know? Thanks!

Define Mini is a microATX case, the BitFenix is a miniITX case. I don't think that bit-tech have reviewed the Define Mini, but they wouldn't choose it over the BitFenix for the miniITX build because they're trying to get as small as possible.

Hope that helped.

I see! Checking up on the specs though, the Feix is 250x359x404 whereas the Define Mini is 210x395x490 so it's not massively different in size given that the Fenix is wider?

I'm stuck on choosing a Micro-mini atx case haha :-D
Darkmoonshine 4th September 2012, 21:10 Quote
Hi guys this is my first post been lurking for a long time :o

I was thinking of building the Mini-ITX Gamer August 2012 as per article.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2012/08/31/pc-hardware-buyer-s-guide-august-2012/6

Do you think I could swap out the Zotac's GeForce 660 Ti for a GTX 670 ? Not planning on OC'ing the GPU.
I know I have to remove the hard drive bay, just worried about heat.

Regards
Valinor 4th September 2012, 22:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by dariun


I see! Checking up on the specs though, the Feix is 250x359x404 whereas the Define Mini is 210x395x490 so it's not massively different in size given that the Fenix is wider?

I'm stuck on choosing a Micro-mini atx case haha :-D

Yeah, there's not a lot in it, but I suppose that if someone's going miniITX then I'd assume they're gonna want as small a case as possible, otherwise (like I've done) you'd go with a microATX build, as I'd prefer a slightly larger case with more expansion options (and choice of motherboard etc). I'd assume that getting it as small as possible was the reason for only considering a miniITX case.

EDIT: Tbh if people wanted a microATX build then they could use the Gaming Workhorse or Premium Player suggestions (possibly bar the CPU Cooler, the i30 might have clearance issues in some cases) with a microATX case. It's nice that it's easy to make that choice and not feel like it's a compromise.
Smellyhead 11th September 2012, 00:16 Quote
Where have you guys seen a 7870 for £185?

Cheapest I can find is £200 on scan.
grimerking 21st September 2012, 23:36 Quote
Hi Everybody,

I'm putting together a combination of the Affordable All Rounder and the Enthusiast Overclocker. This is what I've bought:

Gigabyte Z68AP-D3
8GB 1,600MHz DDR3 (single 8GB stick of RAM)
ThermalTake SP-530PCWEU
3.4GHz Intel Core i5-3570K
Arctic Freezer i30

I'll be reusing some old components - e.g. Antec P180, Samsung HDD, etc

I'm toying with a SSD and I've seen this item on eBay for £48:

OCZ 120GB Solid 3 SSD - 2.5" SATA-III - Read 500MB/s Write 450MB/s
Item # = 271064174427

Would it be a sensible purchase? Should I wait for 256GB drives to drop in price?
Juiblex 24th September 2012, 15:18 Quote
I just got all the parts in for my ITX board. pretty much followed the posted build to the letter. I found the cast to be fine, actually I really like it. I think it just seems more flimsy than it actually is. I don't plan on having more then 2 hard drives and 1 ssd so the big hard drive cage was unnecessary and removed.

My only issue with the case is there is NO way to put in a CD/DVD drive with the H80 you will need an external drive or a different cooler, the radiator is just too big and no drive is made to 155mm depth which is what you would need.

The Asus motherboard has 1 small issues when installing a video card the front panel HD audio connector is almost completely crushed by the video card.

Last and not really an issue was the Corsair PSU was DOA, only supplied 3V standby and would not switch on even when jumper-ed. The replacement should arrive soon.
jifbo 24th September 2012, 15:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Smellyhead
Where have you guys seen a 7870 for £185?

Cheapest I can find is £200 on scan.

187.50 on Ebuyer. Cheapest I've seen...
MSI 7870
.//TuNdRa 24th September 2012, 16:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Juiblex
I just got all the parts in for my ITX board. pretty much followed the posted build to the letter. I found the cast to be fine, actually I really like it. I think it just seems more flimsy than it actually is. I don't plan on having more then 2 hard drives and 1 ssd so the big hard drive cage was unnecessary and removed.

My only issue with the case is there is NO way to put in a CD/DVD drive with the H80 you will need an external drive or a different cooler, the radiator is just too big and no drive is made to 155mm depth which is what you would need.

The Asus motherboard has 1 small issues when installing a video card the front panel HD audio connector is almost completely crushed by the video card.

Last and not really an issue was the Corsair PSU was DOA, only supplied 3V standby and would not switch on even when jumper-ed. The replacement should arrive soon.

What stopped you from putting the H80 on the front panel? It'd run intake, which means airflow into the machine would be a little warmer, but at last check; all the tubes would make it, and orientated correctly; it'd fit while leaving room for a DVD-drive.
Juiblex 24th September 2012, 21:26 Quote
Good point, I guess when I was laying out everything originally it had the extra Hard Drive box taking up that space I will take a look tonight to see who that would work now that that space is opened up. I would much like to have my optical drive internal as apposed to external.
Juiblex 25th September 2012, 01:18 Quote
Just tried it, no go. the way the front mounting screws are setup gives you 3 options none ideal.
1. Cut your own mounting holes in a new ~100USD case and keep the Optical drive & lower HD cage.
2. Lose the upper and lower HD cage and screw down 1-2 SSD drives and/or Velcro your HD to the case. But keep your optical drive.
3. Jerry rig some kinda of adapter plate to to use the existing 140mm holes to mount the 120mm corsair radiator.
I think I'm just going to have to go without an optical drive and use an ESATA enclosure for my burner when I need it.
erratum1 26th September 2012, 00:47 Quote
Its difficult to find these prices on sites its always a bit more, the only way I can match them is if a sites doing a sale on a certain component.
tom1974 3rd October 2012, 11:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Darkmoonshine
Hi guys this is my first post been lurking for a long time :o

I was thinking of building the Mini-ITX Gamer August 2012 as per article.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2012/08/31/pc-hardware-buyer-s-guide-august-2012/6

Do you think I could swap out the Zotac's GeForce 660 Ti for a GTX 670 ? Not planning on OC'ing the GPU.
I know I have to remove the hard drive bay, just worried about heat.

Regards

This is my first post too!!!!

I have just had a Prodigy gaming rig built for me (cos I just dont have time to built myself) using a Gigabyte GTX670 OC (windforce) and the same Asus MB and it does fit in nicely with the upper drive cage removed and still have sufficient clearance between the end of the card and the case front panel to fit in a low profile 120mm fan (I used Sharkoon Eagle SE Fan which is 25mm deep).

Another mention is that if you ended up removing both upper and lower drive cage (eg. to fit a 240mm radiator at the front) there are actually still 4 other locations you can mount SSD - the right side panel actually has two 2.5" SSD drive cages, and the back of the PSU cage also have mounting points another 2 SSD (although heat could be an issue).
mystvearn 23rd October 2012, 14:39 Quote
Found this on the verge today. Does not qualify as own build, but a bigger PSU is nice:)

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3542020/digital-storm-bolt-mini-itx-gaming
Biomech 25th October 2012, 18:02 Quote
For the love of God, please post photos of how you made this fit!

I have the same board and H80 in the prodigy case... it does NOT fit.... ok well, I've made it fit (with a BD Drive!) but it's not easy. In a nutshell, there isn't even enough space between the back of the case and the CPU block to fit the radiator and even 1 fan.

I see someone said put it at the front.... well if I hadn't have just spent an hour cramming it into the back I'd try that :P
runadumb 17th November 2012, 12:25 Quote
Is there really not more suitable soundcard than one released in 2008 that requires a freaking Floppy drive power connection?
SpaceBaby 13th January 2013, 21:15 Quote
Will we be getting a new Hardware Buyer's Guide soon? its been 6 months now.
badgerz 29th January 2013, 19:59 Quote
"Our regular guide", time for another update I think guys
faxiij 18th February 2013, 10:44 Quote
*bump* this needs an update!

and i feel you guys could include a "green build" too, more and more people are increasingly aware of their electricity consumption (due to rising prices amongst other things) and since there are quite a few options out there, i feel this could be a great addition. i would not think of it as a gamer-build or workhorse, but a general-duty computer with reasonable horsepower. think your average htpc for example. debate on fm1/2 platform vs. 1155 (i3). also options if you want or do not want to use a discrete gpu. all of that considering small size & small price ideally of course, although it could be another option to pinpoint alternatives in the accompanying text that are not limited by size or price (think max performance / watt ratio). just think about it.
Blarte 11th March 2013, 12:31 Quote
PC Hardware Buyer's Guide August 2012

Our regular guide to getting the best components for your PC build,...*(surely this ought to be re edited)
guvnar 13th March 2013, 08:54 Quote
Update soon?????

Anyone???
ferret141 13th March 2013, 22:00 Quote
Why don't we have a community led update?
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