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gogzyhutch 1st September 2011, 08:23 Quote
An m-ATX mobo in a premium player rig......odd decision but fair do's!!!
confusis 1st September 2011, 08:41 Quote
In the affordable, wouldnt a Phenom 840 and AM3+ board be a better and cheaper option? AM3+ = more future proof than Intel's flavour of the week sockets, and the Phenom 840 (even w/out l3 cache) performs pretty much equally as well as the core i3 2100, and is a quad core?
xaser04 1st September 2011, 08:41 Quote
Buyers guide looks good this time around. Bit have finally adjusted the pricing on the affordable all rounder to better reflect the GPU and memory pricing.

One critism though is the PSU. It might be excellent but £75 is too much for a 525w PSU especially considering the excellent Corsair TXV2 650w can be had for £10 less.....

It is also too expensive considering the build it is going in (£500 all in). If you dropped the PSU to something like the BeQuiet L7 530w (~£42) and dropped the cpu cooler entirely you could squeeze a Core i5 2500k in the system. Increase the budget a small amount and the cpu cooler can also be added back.
jakall78 1st September 2011, 09:05 Quote
The video cards are all Nvidia - this is a joke, AMD is out of business or what???
I`m ok with the cheaper ones, it`s open for discussion, but the 590 is just such a bad example of manufacturing. Defect rate is through the roof, because of the bad conceived VRM. How can that failure be a recomended video card?
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/3/30/nvidia-geforce-gtx-590-deaths-continue/
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/747-39/maj-dossier-cartes-graphiques-degagement-thermique.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ro&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Flab501.ro%2Fplaci-video%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-590-studiu-de-overclocking%2F12
This last one being the most interesting, it shows the miniscule VRM Nvidia put on the 590.
And don`t tell me you didn`t know about this.
Sentinel-R1 1st September 2011, 09:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by confusis
In the affordable, wouldnt a Phenom 840 and AM3+ board be a better and cheaper option? AM3+ = more future proof than Intel's flavour of the week sockets, and the Phenom 840 (even w/out l3 cache) performs pretty much equally as well as the core i3 2100, and is a quad core?

Yes, but not as future proof as the intel option. With this one, drop in a 2500k when you have the cash and you're nicely upgraded. In fact, add another 460 for £120 and you've got a very good gaming machine.
confusis 1st September 2011, 09:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sentinel-R1
Yes, but not as future proof as the intel option. With this one, drop in a 2500k when you have the cash and you're nicely upgraded. In fact, add another 460 for £120 and you've got a very good gaming machine.

Or, with socket am3+ (like i said in my post) you have at least a year, maybe two of upgrade life..remember bulldozer is coming out soon?.. intel changes sockets like they change their underwear
hurrakan 1st September 2011, 09:49 Quote
re: Premium Player

The Vertex 3 (and other Sandforce 2281 SSDs) are too unreliable for a boot drive. They have a BSOD bug that has yet to be fixed (even after months of trying). I really wanted to buy a Vertex 3 but I cannot justify it (especially after browsing the OCZ forums).

The Intel 510 240GB is MUCH more reliable and equally fast as the Vertex 3 in most tests. The 510 costs a bit more but I cannot risk losing my system to BSODs.

Micro-ATX boards don't have enough PCI slots for me. So I think I will get the P8P67 Pro R3.1 instead.
MjFrosty 1st September 2011, 09:51 Quote
Nice and informative. I'm sure my x58 system can last till November, though. Also I like how you use the Xigmatek Elysium which is excellent value for money. Best £150 I've ever spent.
hurrakan 1st September 2011, 09:51 Quote
Which optical drive should I get to backup (rip) my blu-ray movies, in a "premium" style (quickly + silently)?
murraynt 1st September 2011, 09:58 Quote
Looks better that last month I must say. Only thing that caught my eye was a 75 pounds PSU for a budget build. Reducing that to a 450 corsair could allow alot of people to squeeze in a quad core
Abhorsen 1st September 2011, 10:00 Quote
Does the re-use of the same copy every month annoy anyone else, or just me?
Sentinel-R1 1st September 2011, 10:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by confusis
Or, with socket am3+ (like i said in my post) you have at least a year, maybe two of upgrade life..remember bulldozer is coming out soon?.. intel changes sockets like they change their underwear

Don't get me wrong, I'm not wholly disagreeing with you. We've yet to see how Bulldozer will stand up to a 2500/2600K - but realistically, I think AMD will have a tough fight to top those two CPUs, therefore I think they're spot on with their recommendations and a Sandybridge gaming system will last a lot longer than 2 years before it needs upgrading again.
Shayper09 1st September 2011, 10:12 Quote
Nice outline, but some decisions just don't make sense.

I would post which ones, but I'm about to lose signal so shall do it later :p.
isaac12345 1st September 2011, 10:16 Quote
£75 PSU for the all rounder build?!! Clearly the antec PSU should be good enough. The savings can be put into a buying a 6870 instead.
mat0tam 1st September 2011, 10:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
Buyers guide looks good this time around. Bit have finally adjusted the pricing on the affordable all rounder to better reflect the GPU and memory pricing.

One critism though is the PSU. It might be excellent but £75 is too much for a 525w PSU especially considering the excellent Corsair TXV2 650w can be had for £10 less.....

It is also too expensive considering the build it is going in (£500 all in). If you dropped the PSU to something like the BeQuiet L7 530w (~£42) and dropped the cpu cooler entirely you could squeeze a Core i5 2500k in the system. Increase the budget a small amount and the cpu cooler can also be added back.

Thankyou for your post :) - Looking at dropping the price a tiny bit myself
MaverickWill 1st September 2011, 10:31 Quote
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This month we’ve made a couple of significant changes to the spec of our Affordable All-Rounder. First of these is a change in motherboard, as we (rightly) took some stick in the comments thread of our last buyer's guide for recommending an H67-based motherboard. This was done to keep the price of the build down and the chipset’s lack of overclocking didn’t matter too much, given that we’re also recommending a processor that can’t overclock. Realistically, though, using an H67 board overly limits your upgrade options, as you’ll never have the option to slap in a K-series CPU and go overclock happy.
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At the risk of coming across as slightly arrogant, I think the ball has been somewhat dropped by the Bit-Tech boys, with regards to the Affordable All-Rounder. Changing out the Pentium for the i3-2100 is a bit of a sideways step (I'd normally stick to overclocking-friendly parts on budget builds to eke out that lovely performance), but understandable if an upgrade path is desired.

And then it gets a swift kick to the chops by using an H67 motherboard. Really, guys? You recommend an upgrade path through LGA1155 with ZERO chance of using the i5-2500K? To add insult to injury, you take one of the most frugally-powered desktop chips on the planet, and attach a Freezer 7 Pro. For the extra £15, you could have a P67 motherboard, right?

It might not be significant, but I've managed change faster than Obama. Yeahhh!
impar 1st September 2011, 11:13 Quote
Greetings!

Still on 4GB RAM? :|
jeeesus 1st September 2011, 11:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by jakall78
The video cards are all Nvidia - this is a joke, AMD is out of business or what???


+1
Title needs to be corrected, like this: "Intel and NVidia PC Hardware Buyer's Guide September 2011" .

P.C. Golden rule: The adds on site you see, the recommended config you get.

Do you see here any AMD add? ;-)
Smellyhead 1st September 2011, 11:39 Quote
Just me, or do these setups get more expensive every month?
The All rounder has gone from £445 - £465 - £500 Getting past the point of been the "affordable" one, no?

I know prices change, but seriously, you just seem to replace stuff with more expensiv stuff for no reason in each build.
Snips 1st September 2011, 12:09 Quote
Can we get a ban on the whining that AMD products aren't on the expertly and thoroughly tested buyers guide by Bit-Tech?

It's getting boring now!
facwit 1st September 2011, 12:11 Quote
The new budget Fractal Design core cases have been out for a couple of weeks now. Are we going to see them reviewed?
rollo 1st September 2011, 12:17 Quote
price of all rounder has gone a bit high. £3-400 is more like most peoples budgets in this market.

£2100 for a pc at premium player is beyound what id consider premium its more like money no object, And unless your running 3 screen gaming ( in which case the pc would cost around £3000 ) its totally overkill for every gamer on the market.

re bsod issue in the ssds they have been fixed now in latest firmware.

Judging by the release of this bulldozer must perform pretty badly as its less than a week away acording to most sources so is this bit tech jumping the gun or have you actually got the performance stats that show it is not a great success.

or is it just hugely overpriced for the performance it offers which would be a huge shock.
MaverickWill 1st September 2011, 12:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Judging by the release of this bulldozer must perform pretty badly as its less than a week away acording to most sources so is this bit tech jumping the gun or have you actually got the performance stats that show it is not a great success.

or is it just hugely overpriced for the performance it offers which would be a huge shock.

If one of the Intel rigs were to disappear in favour of a Bulldozer rig:

1 - We could reasonably interpret performance based on what it does and doesn't replace, which would probably be cutting any NDA quite finely
2 - There's no actual retail price for them yet (merely the occasional RRP), so it's tough to tell where retailers will price them.
3 - You can't get hold of them yet. B-T never retroactively updates its guides, and doesn't include future purchases that may or may not be in the lab. Read the reviews once they land, and see what the conclusion says.

My honest-to-goodness guess is AMD are banking on the strength of the integrated GPU to sell millions of low-end processors, but that won't quite cut it against the top-end that Intel has to offer. And with a discrete GPU in every machine here, the possibility of a replacement coming in is slim.
Material 1st September 2011, 14:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by confusis
Or, with socket am3+ you have at least a year, maybe two of upgrade life..remember bulldozer is coming out soon?.. intel changes sockets like they change their underwear

Given that we don't know how bulldozer will perform we'd be nuts to recommend people buy inferior kit now in preparation for it.
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Originally Posted by murraynt
Looks better that last month I must say. Only thing that caught my eye was a 75 pounds PSU for a budget build. Reducing that to a 450 corsair could allow alot of people to squeeze in a quad core

We realize the PSU in the Affordable All-Rounder is a little on the dear side which is why we recommend some cheaper alternatives if you want to reduce the cost of the build. There is a sentence specifically addressing this issue with recommendations on how to get around it.
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Originally Posted by rollo

Judging by the release of this bulldozer must perform pretty badly as its less than a week away acording to most sources so is this bit tech jumping the gun or have you actually got the performance stats that show it is not a great success.

We talk about the Bulldozer launch and whether we have any review samples in the Podcast we just recorded today. If you want to know more about potential Bulldozer performance i'd suggest you give it a listen - it should be up in the next few days, probably at the start of next week.
trig 1st September 2011, 19:04 Quote
only real gripe i had was the 590 recommendation. and the psu's on a couple of builds...but hey, they are owned by a publishing company and, well, you can see where the advertising dollars are coming from...don't get me wrong....completely agree on the intel chips...but the gpu recommendations are a little puzzling. but i am basing this off of US prices, so....
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