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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide May 2011

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facwit 11th May 2011, 12:41 Quote
Well said Snips
Action_Parsnip 11th May 2011, 13:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
What a Joke. All the whining because your precious 6990 isn't on the list.

Grow up ladies. If you don't like the recommendation then don't come here.

@ Action Parsnip, your misses didn't think I was disadvantaged.

@ Horizon, why come here then?

@ Digi, keep your fanboi vitriol off here as well

@ Sloth, I disagree since I built the Budget, Gamer and Enthusiast to Bit-Techs exact spec and haven't looked back. The so called alternatives just weren't alternatives.

LOL! I like this one. Can we keep him, mum? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee??


"fanboi vitirol" - just a tad rich coming from thou
kaiser 11th May 2011, 13:44 Quote
I've always looked forwards to each month's Buyer's Guide to see what's hot but I feel that its getting a bit out of touch in places. The Affordable All-Rounder is good (if a bit on the pricey side for the graphics), but the Enthusiast Overclocker and the Gaming Workhorse seem very weak on the gaming front.

Also, anyone spec'ing up a pc as high as the two higher ones I'm sure would include a bit more storage, if not a RAID array for those prices. Not to mention that anyone spending £2k on a PC and NOT watercooling it is a bit nuts IMHO

How about adding something below the Affordable All-Rounder? £450 before OS is still a lot of money to some people and PC gaming is as much a benefit of being cheap than being powerful.
Action_Parsnip 11th May 2011, 15:23 Quote
......not to mention some monitor buying advice. C'moin bit-tech carve out a nniche for yourself as a modding AND monitor site :D
fingerbob69 11th May 2011, 15:31 Quote
z68 mobo's out today , an Asus one reviewed on [H] also
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/05/11/asus_p8z68v_pro_z68_chipset_motherboard_review/1

Is this buyer's guide obsolete in under 24hours?
the_kille4 11th May 2011, 17:19 Quote
previously built mine around premium player (core i7 920)... seems so dated already
IronDoc 11th May 2011, 19:42 Quote
The MSI R6850 is actually £126 at scan (with free shogun 2) now so no real reason to get the 460 unless there's a cheaper one I'm not seeing.

For everyone saying about the 5850 extreme, they're out of stock basically everywhere afaict.
xaser04 11th May 2011, 20:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by IronDoc
The MSI R6850 is actually £126 at scan (with free shogun 2) now so no real reason to get the 460 unless there's a cheaper one I'm not seeing.

For everyone saying about the 5850 extreme, they're out of stock basically everywhere afaict.

Overclockers have it in stock and have done for ages.

The GTX460 and HD6850 are brilliant buys in this price bracket. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. It comes down to which one suits your needs the most.
Sloth 11th May 2011, 20:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips

@ Sloth, I disagree since I built the Budget, Gamer and Enthusiast to Bit-Techs exact spec and haven't looked back. The so called alternatives just weren't alternatives.
The exact components specified even down to the exact same case, PSU, cooler, brand of GPU, etc?

While that's certainly your own choice, and perhaps your needs really did perfectly align with their recommendations, it's a rare scenario. Preference in case styles, varying storage requirements, compromises or allowances being made on budget, and brand preference quite often change the build. Someone following the Gaming Workhorse build might want more SSD space and have the budget to spare so they get whatever the fastest 128GB SSD is, or someone with a slightly tight budget may have to skimp on the case. Maybe a sale on Gigabyte cards makes a recommended MSI one a worse deal even if it performs ever so slightly better. Looking at more options than just the hardware guide can be beneficial.

On a more pedantic note, if you haven't looked back then you wouldn't see any better deals you might have gotten, but that's taking a figure of speech too literally.
IronDoc 11th May 2011, 21:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
Overclockers have it in stock and have done for ages.

The GTX460 and HD6850 are brilliant buys in this price bracket. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. It comes down to which one suits your needs the most.
Oh yeah, didnt think to check there.

Most tests seem to put the 6850 slightly over the 460 and BT were willing to spend a little more for it on the Enthusiast OCer (compared to the Affordable All Rounder's 460) so I assumed it was better; though Physx, Eyefinity etc obviously come into it.
Snips 12th May 2011, 13:35 Quote
@ Sloth

In all honesty, my preferences were pretty much what everyone else would have used the relevant builds for. The only thing I did change on the Gamer was the PSU since I couldn't get one due to stock shortages but I used the recommendation in the CPC mag which sometimes wierdly differs from the Bit-Tech recommendations. The enthusiast wasn't recommending a SSD at the time so I added one in and dropped the GPU spec to keep within the budget.

You can see the build specs and pics in my project log.
mikeyman198 12th May 2011, 17:01 Quote
After looking online, I managed to improve the All Rounder but get the price down to £407.52 :P

Improvements:

Changed the 430W PSU for the Corsair VX450 (recommended for the GTX 460 (I managed to find one for £91.53 :D))

Changed the cooler to the Titan Fenrir (as used in the Pentium G6950 overclocking review so you can get the 4.62 Ghz OC)

A lot of the products are cheaper if you know where to look :P

Finally, which make of the GTX 460 is better? The one I found is eVGA, but what about Zotac/Gigabyte etc.?
mikeyman198 12th May 2011, 17:16 Quote
This is what I managed to get the All Rounded down to:

CPU Intel Pentium G6950 £60.73
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H £64.00
Memory Corsair XMS3 4GB DDR3 £30.13
Graphics Card eVGA GTX 460 1GB £117.05
PSU Corsair VX450 £53.07
CPU Cooler Titan Fenrir TTC-NK85TZ £34.99
Case Antec One Hundred £35.15
Optical Drive LG GH22NS40/NS50-AUAA £13.20
Hard Drive MDT 500GB 7200rpm SATA 3gb/s £24.50

Total: £432.82

Notice I managed to save £10 and include a better cooler and PSU :)

One question though, what make of GTX 460 is best? e.g. Zotac/Gigabyte/eVGA etc.
Somer_Himpson 14th May 2011, 12:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by tongey54

Frio clashes with the board, I'd take a Corsair A70 instead.
Frio DOES NOT clash with this board.
I have one and the Frio is installed with both fans and 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM in slots 2/4 and it fits just fine.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0310.jpg
Somer_Himpson 14th May 2011, 12:45 Quote
Frio DOES NOT clash with this board.
I have one and the Frio is installed with both fans and 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM in slots 2/4 and it fits just fine.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0313.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0310.jpg
tongey54 14th May 2011, 13:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Somer_Himpson
Frio DOES NOT clash with this board.
I have one and the Frio is installed with both fans and 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM in slots 2/4 and it fits just fine.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0313.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0310.jpg


By clashing, I mean colour wise. The red strips on the cooler and the blue board.
Somer_Himpson 14th May 2011, 17:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by tongey54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somer_Himpson
Frio DOES NOT clash with this board.
I have one and the Frio is installed with both fans and 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM in slots 2/4 and it fits just fine.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0313.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/sadken/Photo0310.jpg


By clashing, I mean colour wise. The red strips on the cooler and the blue board.
Oh...Sorry m8!
Snips 15th May 2011, 09:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyman198
After looking online, I managed to improve the All Rounder but get the price down to £407.52 :P

Improvements:

Changed the 430W PSU for the Corsair VX450 (recommended for the GTX 460 (I managed to find one for £91.53 :D))

Changed the cooler to the Titan Fenrir (as used in the Pentium G6950 overclocking review so you can get the 4.62 Ghz OC)

A lot of the products are cheaper if you know where to look :P

Finally, which make of the GTX 460 is better? The one I found is eVGA, but what about Zotac/Gigabyte etc.?

When CPC first reviewed the GTX 460, they went with the Gainward GLH GTX 460 for performance, cooling and super quiet running. I also think the cooler blew the hot air out of the case as well.

Not sure if that's in your budget though but it is a great card.
HangFire 18th May 2011, 21:43 Quote
Nice article, but I'm not too keen on the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. It is barely better than a stock cooler, and the price is not low enough to reflect this level of performance. The Cooler Master Hyper TX3 is actually cheaper at US$20 and a better performer on lower power CPU's like the G6950, both in terms of noise and cooling. If you plan on using the same cooler for a higher power CPU later, consider the Hyper 212+ for $30 or less at MicroCenter or go all the way for a Scythe Mugen 2 aka SCMG-2100 for $40 from newegg.
mclean007 19th May 2011, 12:28 Quote
I notice you guys spec the Premium Player with a Highpoint Rocket SATA III card but not the Gaming Workhorse - does that mean you're satisfied that the SATA III performance on the P67 chipset s good enough not to be a bottleneck on current gen SSDs? In that case why still spec the Premium Player with the Highpoint card?
b3z 19th May 2011, 19:24 Quote
In the all rounder would it not be better to swap out the GTX 460 for a 5850 as they can be had for around the same price now
gpholman 20th May 2011, 19:53 Quote
Hi, I’m thinking of taking the ‘Affordable’ (aka skinflint) option here. Any comments on replacing the G6950 with an i3 530? Also, do Clarkdales OC better with the onboard GFX disabled ? Ta.
gpholman 21st May 2011, 11:49 Quote
Hi, I’m taking the ‘Affordable’ (aka skinflint) option here. Any comments on replacing the G6950 with an i3 530? Also, do Clarkdales OC better with the onboard GFX disabled (e.g. more heat generated etc)? Ta.
mikh@l 27th May 2011, 20:40 Quote
plz link to 1tb hdd @ £30
jamsand 27th May 2011, 22:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by logan'srun
if I wanted a photo- editing machine(multi-tasker, some film editing - no gaming) with tons of storage should I look at the set up for the Gaming Workhorse or the All Rounder?

I'd go for the gaming workhorse then add in 8GB of RAM rather than 4GB, if you want to save money down grade the Graphics card a bit but the 560 is a fantastic card

I say the gaming workhorse as the CPU will be doing a lot of the render work with editing and lots of memory is a must.

Soundcard really isn't needed either unless your doing music production on some nice high-end stuff
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