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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide September 2010

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PandaLand 7th September 2010, 09:58 Quote
Still firm on single card solutions, eh?

A 460 SLI setup seems very tempting at this point for performance/$(or £)
Jedikj95 7th September 2010, 10:26 Quote
Can you let me know where you got the pricing for the enthusiastic overclooker, I'm in the process of pricing up a similar system, but can not get close to the price you are suggesting includes VAT.
docodine 7th September 2010, 10:26 Quote
"We played with the idea of using the reference CPU cooler for this system to leave us room for a GeForce GTX 460 1GB, but given that we’ll want to overclock that CPU, we needed to invest in a better cooler."

Leftover from last month? You included a GTX 460 this time..
javaman 7th September 2010, 10:33 Quote
Very good article tho I would still like to see a crossfire/SLI board as a side note recommendation for i5 builds. Its a natural upgrade path especially if does venture into multi monitor gaming.
[PUNK] crompers 7th September 2010, 10:41 Quote
no mention of the much cheaper 950?
mcjamweasel 7th September 2010, 11:09 Quote
For the all rounder is it not worth spending a few extra £ on an X3 440?
Lizard 7th September 2010, 11:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by docodine
Leftover from last month? You included a GTX 460 this time..

Cheers, fixed :)
oxopo 7th September 2010, 11:27 Quote
It's funny how it says August 2010 on every page except for the main one. ;)
MaverickWill 7th September 2010, 11:30 Quote
So, aside from price drops, no real changes? Can't complain, I suppose.

Also no changes to page titles and the drop-down box. They all say August. :p
aLtikal 7th September 2010, 11:32 Quote
Hmmm I still reckon that £485 isn't classed as a budget setup. £400 price point would fit it better IMO.
Hustler 7th September 2010, 11:44 Quote
"so your next graphics card option is the £280 Radeon HD 5870."


I dont think thats the case at all, Nvidia 470's can now be had for around £220 if you look around.......
deathtaker27 7th September 2010, 11:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by aLtikal
Hmmm I still reckon that £485 isn't classed as a budget setup. £400 price point would fit it better IMO.

Yep if you try to build that system its basically 600 gone when you install Windows 7 (waits for people saying but linux is free)

a 400 one would be nice, but it would also be quite under-powered for the majority of our needs of the people who use these forums.
Kúsař 7th September 2010, 12:15 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaLand
Still firm on single card solutions, eh?

A 460 SLI setup seems very tempting at this point for performance/$(or £)

+stronger PSU
+MB with 2x PCIe 16
+Power consumption $$$
and maybe even larger case

Single card solution is better for a brand new PC.
Baggpuss 7th September 2010, 12:16 Quote
Surely the fact the i7 950 has dropped to within £20 of the 930 makes it the better choice?
earlydoors 7th September 2010, 12:19 Quote
£285 for an HD5870 - sounds tempting...What do you guys think?
mpr 7th September 2010, 12:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kúsař

+stronger PSU
+MB with 2x PCIe 16
+Power consumption $$$
and maybe even larger case

Single card solution is better for a brand new PC.

I really wish people would stop with the dual pcie x16 for multi-gpu

x16 x x8 or even x8 x 8x is only 2-5 fps slower at budget resolutions (ie the majority of PC owners with a single monitor under 30"

Ideally yes you would want dual 16x found on the X58s but there are also a few boards with dual x16 that aren't horribly expensive, most are workstation class though.

There are plenty of reviews out there comparing the speeds of PCIe and GPUs and they all point to dual x8 as being sufficient for most applications.
Bindibadgi 7th September 2010, 12:42 Quote
The problem is, for LGA1156 to get a dual x8 you need to spend a quite a lot more on a motherboard than just the basic, but excellent overclocking ones we recommend. Even some mid-range ones only have the second slot as x4 to save money on electronic switches.
Xir 7th September 2010, 12:50 Quote
hmmm, Premium player.
I'd have spent the 22 pounds more on the i7 950 over the i7 930...and saved a lot more not using the 5970, but it goes either way I guess.

Gaming Workhorse.
The GTX460 isn't a real alternative over the 5870, at least not at 1920x1080.

Great summary as always guys!
LeMaltor 7th September 2010, 13:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hustler
"so your next graphics card option is the £280 Radeon HD 5870."


I dont think thats the case at all, Nvidia 470's can now be had for around £220 if you look around.......

Only problem with that is it's a 470 :p
Lehmann 7th September 2010, 13:57 Quote
your folding rig isnt the best ppd/watt or ppd/$ with smp bigadv i7-860 running 3.8-4.0 275 watts. ppd will vary 21,000ppd on a 2684, 31,000ppd on a 2685, 33,000ppd on a 2686. add a couple gtx460 to that and your minumof ppd 40,000 and a high of around 50,0000ppd. the i7-860 is us $210 at microcenter.com
fingerbob69 7th September 2010, 14:31 Quote
"you can now get a 1GB GTX 460 for £170. That's excellent value for a card that soundly thrashes a HD 5850"

It doesn't.
adam_bagpuss 7th September 2010, 14:34 Quote
the affordable all-rounder is good but i feel its getting to expensive. £485 without an OS is quite a lot for some one looking for an entry level gaming machine plus they have to factor in a monitor too.
mrbens 7th September 2010, 14:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaLand
Still firm on single card solutions, eh?

A 460 SLI setup seems very tempting at this point for performance/$(or £)

That was my initial thought too after looking through the guide. I've just bought a 460 1GB and will be buying another for SLi as soon as I can afford it. The performance is pretty much 100% extra fps with 2 of these and 2 cost less than a 480 or 5970. :D
memeroot 7th September 2010, 14:47 Quote
"Originally Posted by Kúsař

+stronger PSU
+MB with 2x PCIe 16
+Power consumption $$$
and maybe even larger case

Single card solution is better for a brand new PC."

except that when you decide to buy a second card you'll need to replace the mobo, psu and case...

better over getting sli (8x8) suitable psu and case now rather than have to upgrade everything in a year or so when you want a cheap doubling of performance (gtx460 now about 110 quid)
kenco_uk 7th September 2010, 14:50 Quote
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/07/12/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-graphics-card-review/9

Aye, it doesn't :|

An overclocked 460 trounces a stock 5850, but then an overclocked 5850 can beat a stock 5870/470. Thing is, the 5850 is a fair bit dearer so you've got to look at your bang for buck.

GTX460 for £120 or so.
HD5850 for £200 or so.
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