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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide August 2010

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confusis 9th August 2010, 10:35 Quote
Next case design project of mine: Something capable of the folding rig detailed herein.
Challenge is on!
crazyceo 9th August 2010, 11:09 Quote
No HTPC?

Sorry, I just had to say it first as we always do ask the question.
Tattysnuc 9th August 2010, 11:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
No HTPC?

Sorry, I just had to say it first as we always do ask the question.

here here! Also, what about a home media SERVER. There must be a market for them with all the functionality that NAS boxes are coming with, and the fact that even MS are (re)designing an OS specifically for it.

Being a bit picky now, but regarding the folding machine, there doesn't appear to be any consideration that the user might want to fold on the CPU and/or virtualised environments. I've only recently started reading about bigadv and enabled the passkeys on my clients. I can't say for certain what the amount of points I have accumulated through bonusses are, but there appears to be a good few thousand (3k) per day.

The selection made would render the machine solely dedicated to folding, and would be very little use for anything else. Granted you'd have a folding behemoth (I produce about 28k ppd over 2 computers!!), but if someone was going to be building a machine for folding, surely they'd want it to do more than just sit there churning through the kilowatts... There seems to be very little/no real justification for the choice of motherboard, especially as there are some 7 slot boards out there, which means you could potentially get 7 dual gpu cards and a folding CPU... if that's at all possible, which I doubt.

Maybe I've just taken this to it's illogical conclusion?

Cracking machine
wuyanxu 9th August 2010, 12:05 Quote
game workhorse is nearly the same as my machine :D nice to see my psychic prediction powers over half a year ago was spot on :)
Phalanx 9th August 2010, 12:09 Quote
7 GPUs and a CPU folder is possible, but very unlikely. Imagine something like the Gigabyte UD9. It has 7 slots, but they are so close together, if you put 7 dual-slot GPUs in there, you're effectively leaving no room for air to move between them.

However, 7 single-slot GPUs like the 8800/9800 would fit in there nicely. Otherwise, 4 GTX460s are more than enough. Couple that with an i7, and you have a monster PC. However, be careful how much you set for the GPUs to utilize the CPU. I would put no more than 2 GPUs in a Core i7 machine, as I'd want the CPU to run the bigadv workload more than looking after the GPUs.

In this case, bit-tech have it right. If you want GPUs, use a lower powered CPU and fold it anyway. Who cares how long it takes. The GPUs are the priority. If it's i7 or larger, than the CPU should be the priority. If you want both, then an i7 plus 2 x GTX460 would be a good bet :)
DbD 9th August 2010, 12:37 Quote
Nvidia dropped prices again - you can now get a GTX 470 for £230 which is probably a better deal then the £320 5870. Two of them would cost about the same as a 5970 too, and particularly for multi-screen gaming be significantly faster as xfire is rubbish at that for some reason. That said power/noise of 2 * 470's would be a problem.
Hustler 9th August 2010, 13:13 Quote
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Nvidia dropped prices again - you can now get a GTX 470 for £230

Hmm, so i assume they are going to phase out this card once stocks are gone and concentrate on increasing the range of 460 cards?...with higher factory clock speeds, more Vram and better,quieter coolers?...and then go for a Fermi refresh Q1/Q2 2011 to compete with ATI's refreshed 5xxx cards....
hyder 9th August 2010, 13:26 Quote
Can someone tell me the difference between a Maximus III Gene and the Rampage III Gene?
DbD 9th August 2010, 13:31 Quote
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Nvidia dropped prices again - you can now get a GTX 470 for £230

Hmm, so i assume they are going to phase out this card once stocks are gone and concentrate on increasing the range of 460 cards?...with higher factory clock speeds, more Vram and better,quieter coolers?...and then go for a Fermi refresh Q1/Q2 2011 to compete with ATI's refreshed 5xxx cards....

What we want is the more efficient GF104 architecture in a 512sp chip. I can't believe it would be that hard for them to do but no rumours of it yet.
mrbens 9th August 2010, 13:53 Quote
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While we'd always prefer the 1GB version of the GTX 460 over the 768MB given the choice, our self-imposed limit of £500
It'd be £500 exactly with the 1GB version since it's £30 more and you were only up to a total of £470 for the cheap PC.

When are the next set of graphics cards due to be on sale? I'd like to replace my 4870X2 cos I think it's getting faulty and giving me lots of atikmpag.sys BSODs but none of the current cards are worth upgrading to as they are not much (if at all) better than this old card.
asura 9th August 2010, 13:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by confusis
Next case design project of mine: Something capable of the folding rig detailed herein.
Challenge is on!

One case at a time mate! :p
javaman 9th August 2010, 13:59 Quote
Good article, Tho with NV surround requiring SLI surely a quick recommendation on a P55 board that can support SLI for upgrade purposes wouldn't go amiss. Especially since you recommended the GTX460 over the HD5870 in the Enthusiast Overclocker option and its the most logical upgrade path for multi monitor gaming. Just a thought
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While we'd always prefer the 1GB version of the GTX 460 over the 768MB given the choice, our self-imposed limit of £500
It'd be £500 exactly with the 1GB version since it's £30 more and you were only up to a total of £470 for the cheap PC.

When are the next set of graphics cards due to be on sale? I'd like to replace my 4870X2 cos I think it's getting faulty and giving me lots of atikmpag.sys BSODs but none of the current cards are worth upgrading to as they are not much (if at all) better than this old card.

Im getting that error too only my screens go black and then recover.
SproutWinkler 9th August 2010, 15:38 Quote
I'm glad I decided on last month's spec for my new "gaming workhorse". A decent 460 is far more wallet friendly :)
crazyceo 9th August 2010, 15:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by hyder
Can someone tell me the difference between a Maximus III Gene and the Rampage III Gene?

Isn't the Maximus the AMD version?
leexgx 9th August 2010, 16:12 Quote
lol
one is p55 one is x58 (1156 i5 mainly or 1336 i7 mainly)

use search before posting (both of you)
blohum 9th August 2010, 18:04 Quote
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No HTPC?

+1 to that... would be nice to see some different styles of PC (perhaps HTPC one month, audio workstation the next, photo editing PC etc) instead of always folding rigs...
Aracos 9th August 2010, 18:16 Quote
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No HTPC?

+1 to that... would be nice to see some different styles of PC (perhaps HTPC one month, audio workstation the next, photo editing PC etc) instead of always folding rigs...

TBH the only interesting options there would be HTPC and audio workstation, photo editing and video editing are pointless because if you're a photoshop CS5 user then just build the gaming workhorse with a £30 gpu or buy an equivilent Nvidia GPU if it's ATI recommended for CUDA, as for video editing then just do the first suggestion for general encoding or the same as photo if premier pro supports CUDA?

Photo editing and video encoding require the same thing NEED MOAR MHZ!!!!!
Phil Rhodes 9th August 2010, 19:49 Quote
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serial upgraders need the pricier retail version.

Why?
Jedikj95 9th August 2010, 19:58 Quote
I'm wondering why you have chosen the older I5-750 for the enthusiastic over-clocker, when the newer I5-760 is available. I'm currently looking to build a system similar to the enthusiastic over-clocker so would like to now if the performance of the newer chip is better. Perhaps a new comparison test is in order.
rollo 9th August 2010, 21:24 Quote
because its the same chip jedi with a slight clock bump and if your overclocking they both hit the same frequency of 4ghz with ease.
blohum 9th August 2010, 22:30 Quote
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Photo editing and video encoding require the same thing NEED MOAR MHZ!!!!!

But surely the same logic applies to folding rigs... we know Nvidia cards are faster than ATI and the more processor cores the better, beyond that what's needed for a folding rig apart from "moar mhz"!

It would be interesting to see if more Custom PC/bit-tech readers have a HTPC or a dedicated folding rig...
blohum 9th August 2010, 22:32 Quote
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serial upgraders need the pricier retail version.

Why?

Because OEM copies of Windows can only be installed on one machine (and changing the motherboard is a new PC according to MS), full retail version allow you to reinstall on a different PC.
frontline 9th August 2010, 23:39 Quote
I was interested in folding a couple of years back, but after seeing my utility bills skyrocket lately, i can't afford to waste any electricity on a folding rig. :(
javaman 10th August 2010, 01:22 Quote
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I'm wondering why you have chosen the older I5-750 for the enthusiastic over-clocker, when the newer I5-760 is available. I'm currently looking to build a system similar to the enthusiastic over-clocker so would like to now if the performance of the newer chip is better. Perhaps a new comparison test is in order.

Probably at the time of writing the price difference was greater. Quickly Browsing your looking at 0.12GHz increase for £5 If you think its worth it go for it. There is potential for the 760 to clock higher but with overclocking miles may vary. Its similar with the 920 and 930. The 930 was too expenisve for the small increase in speed but had potential to clock higher tho some did some didn't. In the end it wasn't worth the price difference against the risk. Its a similar case here but with a smaller difference. The 750 is known to hit 4GHz or close to it fairly easily but the "new" batches of 760 are relatively untested.
jodah175 10th August 2010, 02:45 Quote
the MSI board is no longer in stock and probably won't be in stock on newegg, or elsewhere for that matter anymore sadly.
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