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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide May 2010

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crazyceo 7th May 2010, 10:25 Quote
How come the Bit-Tech site buyer's guide differs from the CustomPC mag buyer's guide? Aren't you guys in the same office?

My last build I did use a combination of the two but I still was left scratching my head on a few components.
sotu1 7th May 2010, 10:37 Quote
I know it must be a pain putting this up every month but want you guys to know that we appreciate it!

Any chance we can have the best monitors/speakers for those ranges too? That would be cool ;D
Ph4ZeD 7th May 2010, 10:47 Quote
I wonder when we will see a significant change in the hardware recommendations!
rickysio 7th May 2010, 11:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ph4ZeD
I wonder when we will see a significant change in the hardware recommendations!

When Sandy Bridge is out?
Pete J 7th May 2010, 11:14 Quote
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We can still buy four [eurl= http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/06/19/gigabyte-geforce-gts-250-1gb-review/1]GeForce GTS 250s[/eurl] and the price-for-ppd output is very good. They are perfect for either getting started with a couple, or adding to a farm that needs to grow. And don't forget... every farm needs to grow!
Need to correct this my friend!
cybergenics 7th May 2010, 11:17 Quote
i7 920 still widely available......sometimes as much as £65-£80 cheaper than a 930...lots of people have not been able to clock the 930 higher than the average 920 d0 did. So why is this recommended ???????????????????

Someone explain ? BT have recommended parts far rarer than the 920, so please don't use its 'scarcity' as a reason, as this guide is month to month.

Obviously retailers have higher mark up's on the 930...if BT is unbiased, the should be pimping the 920 at the bargain cost it is !

Good guide overall though.
Rob Lang 7th May 2010, 11:27 Quote
Any chance of a HTPC/media PC build?
rollo 7th May 2010, 11:29 Quote
It's what I'd of suggest

920 was £160 on overclockers last I checked

What do you gain on 930 for the extra cash
matee 7th May 2010, 11:36 Quote
Yes I also thought you could either squeeze much cheaper 920 into Gaming Workhorse, or put it into Premioum Player, to get more ram or a nice dinner for two.
shah 7th May 2010, 11:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Rob Lang
Any chance of a HTPC/media PC build?

+1
Deadpool46 7th May 2010, 11:41 Quote
Probably not a huge deal with the Premium Player but FYI; Overclockers has a fair amount of 5970 stock, starting at £499.

Still a lot of money but as it's the Premium Player you might as well go premium.
wuyanxu 7th May 2010, 12:00 Quote
£90 P55 vs £155 X58, i think money is better spent elsewhere with gaming workhorse. and obviously Bit thinks the same.

remember that this is a monthly buyer's guide, and 920 has been EOL'd. so it could run out of stock before the end of month.
Kasius 7th May 2010, 12:02 Quote
Also interested around the comparable differences between the 920 & 930 given the price offset..
Sifter3000 7th May 2010, 12:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pete J
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We can still buy four [eurl= http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/06/19/gigabyte-geforce-gts-250-1gb-review/1]GeForce GTS 250s[/eurl] and the price-for-ppd output is very good. They are perfect for either getting started with a couple, or adding to a farm that needs to grow. And don't forget... every farm needs to grow!
Need to correct this my friend!

Fixed, thanks!
rollo 7th May 2010, 12:33 Quote
920 and 930 are nearly identical

Bit tech has there perfoance scores

from what I remember if you clocked the CPUs to both the same speed the dif was 0
isaac12345 7th May 2010, 12:58 Quote
I think I can squeeze a 5850 in your enthusiast overclocker build.

As this build is geared towards gaming, I believe the gfx card will have the most impact on performance and experience. Therefore, I would suggest the following replacements -

1. The i5 750 with an i3 530 ( or if one has an AMD build, then probably a phenom ii x2 550 or an athlon tri core) - Games at high resolutions of 1680 X1050 and above are more GPU dependent than CPU dependent.
You Save - £45.85 (price source - scan.co.uk)

2.Replacing the 1600Mhz RAM with 1333Mhz - This could limit the CPU overclock, but as clearly highlighted by this article (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i3-gaming,2588.html) the core i3 at stock and overclocked perform very similarly. Moreover, RAM speed alone does not have a significant impact on gaming performance.
You Save - £30 (price source - BT's May buyer's guide)

3. Replace the modxstream500w with a stealthxtream 500w - Modular PSUs usually cost more than their non-modular counterparts. You can save £10-£15 when buying a non-modular PSU. Moreover, high end cases like the Utgard have a lot of space for unused cables.
You Save - £7.49
(Price source -

Modxstream - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001GLFD4U/ref=asc_df_B001GLFD4U645172?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=7974&creativeASIN=B001GLFD4U

Stealthxstream - http://www.scan.co.uk/Shop/Computer-Hardware/All/GPU-ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD5850-PCI-E-%281440-Cores%29/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-PCI-E-%28800-Cores%29
)

Total Saving - 83.34

The cheapest 5770 (on pre-order) is for 116.29 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Shop/Computer-Hardware/All/GPU-ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD5850-PCI-E-%281440-Cores%29/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-PCI-E-%28800-Cores%29)

The cheapest 5850 (on pre-order) is for 223.23 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Shop/Computer-Hardware/All/GPU-ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD5850-PCI-E-%281440-Cores%29/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-PCI-E-%28800-Cores%29)

Thats a price difference of £106.94 which is £23.6 more than our total savings from above. In other words, my build costs £23.6 more than the enthusiastic overclockers build, but I am pretty sure it would perform much better and would be more future proof,provided you are willing to spend

Now if only someone could test this for me :) because I dont have any money :(
rickysio 7th May 2010, 13:12 Quote
Core i5 750 is a better all rounder, though.
Xir 7th May 2010, 13:26 Quote
Considering: does-anyone-really-need-a-1kw-psu/
Why is the Premium Player equipped with a 750 Watt PSU, or the Gaming Workhorse with a 650 Watt?
The combination i930+HD5870 or i860+5850 shouldn't drai near that much power..
Xir 7th May 2010, 14:03 Quote
Another question.

If I don't overclock (apart from standart turboboost).
Would the "Gaming Workhorse" with an upgrade to a HD5870 beat the "Premium Player" when gaming?
rickysio 7th May 2010, 14:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Xir
Considering: does-anyone-really-need-a-1kw-psu/
Why is the Premium Player equipped with a 750 Watt PSU, or the Gaming Workhorse with a 650 Watt?
The combination i930+HD5870 or i860+5850 shouldn't drai near that much power..

Operational headroom - a good, solid PSU is a solid foundation to build your PC on.
Omnituens 7th May 2010, 14:42 Quote
I'd love a SFF section to be added to the Hardware Buyer's guide.
pizan 7th May 2010, 14:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
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Originally Posted by Xir
Considering: does-anyone-really-need-a-1kw-psu/
Why is the Premium Player equipped with a 750 Watt PSU, or the Gaming Workhorse with a 650 Watt?
The combination i930+HD5870 or i860+5850 shouldn't drai near that much power..

Operational headroom - a good, solid PSU is a solid foundation to build your PC on.

Also most PSUs have their best efficiency at about 65% I think, so it will be highly efficient most of the time
Scootiep 7th May 2010, 14:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by shah
+1

+1
Ok, seriously, I love Bit-Tech, really I do. But how long are we going to have to keep harping on this? I'm willing to bet one of my children that you have more readers interested in an HTPC build than you do a folding rig. ADD AN HTPC BUILD IN. And if it becomes a choice between an HTPC build and a Folding Rig because of time/cost restraints for Bit-Tech, drop the Folding Rig. Or at least give your readers a poll to decide which they would rather see. I could accept defeat that way.:'(
Teh C 7th May 2010, 15:02 Quote
I really don't see the need for the high wattage psus on radeon 5xxx series builds. Those cards and those processors will never use that amount of power. 750w for an i7 930 (which should really be a 920 d0 as you can still find those everywhere) and a 5870? Please, you could run that build on a 600w psu.

+1 to a HTPC build. Far more people are interested in that than a folding build for sure.
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