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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide - April 2010

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crazyceo 13th April 2010, 08:52 Quote
Thanks guys! Just been waiting to put an order in for a few parts and value your excellent judgement on the components.
BioSniper 13th April 2010, 09:28 Quote
Cheaper CL9 DDR3 for the enthusiast overclocker setup :)
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/Memory-PCAndLaptop/DDR3-PC3-12800/1600MHz/G.Skill/F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL.html

Also really happy to see that the 750 is still the one to get in my price area. Make me feel much better about buying one last month.
wuyanxu 13th April 2010, 09:35 Quote
From reading this guide, it seems everything is going up in price, are we going backwards in therms of technical abilities? Are the competition between companies demanding too much from the chip manufacturing process, making the customers pay for it?

Great guide, Looks like Intel + ATI is currently the way forward.
Denis_iii 13th April 2010, 09:43 Quote
what'd be the best 890GX matx m/b available now or do you know of any to wait for?
Diosjenin 13th April 2010, 09:51 Quote
Antec's 902 has eight PCI brackets in back, so you could use that for your folding case...

- Diosjenin -
Xir 13th April 2010, 10:05 Quote
Hmmm, i start seeing that waiting another 2 months isn't going to make my build cheaper...

How does the Core i7-860 fare against the Core i7-930 for gaming?
(as they are similar in price, and gaming is my heaviest main application.)
rollo 13th April 2010, 10:22 Quote
860 is cheaper setup

930 is the better overclockers but costs £100 more to do correctly

Costs are going up alot recently, glad I brought my ram when I did £110 for 4gb is really high

SSD prices made me lol they are insane for what they are. £1700 for a base unit for a pc is getting beyound resonable( decent moniter + OS keyboard mouse) your talking £2300 for a complete pc. Unless you skimp some place but who's gonna pay all that
money to run it on anything below a 24inch screen


maybe redo premium player to money no object. As it's close to it already
Bindibadgi 13th April 2010, 10:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Denis_iii
what'd be the best 890GX matx m/b available now or do you know of any to wait for?

Wait to see what 890FX has to offer. ;)

890GX though is Asus.
wuyanxu 13th April 2010, 10:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Xir

How does the Core i7-860 fare against the Core i7-930 for gaming?
(as they are similar in price, and gaming is my heaviest main application.)

zero difference. tri-channel can pull ahead in memory intensive benchmarks, that's it. as "the guide" wrote, LGA1156 i7 offers great performance and won't break your bank.
Ph4ZeD 13th April 2010, 10:34 Quote
So the buyers guide remains as follows: buy the best Intel and ATi components you can :)
Cyberpower-UK 13th April 2010, 10:37 Quote
For the affordable all rounder an unlocked Phenom II x2 550 (aka x4 B50) is a better option as you're getting a full fat quad core for the price of cache strapped Athlon II x4.
eddtox 13th April 2010, 10:39 Quote
How does overclocking the i3-530 affect the GMA HD integrated graphics performance? I'm considering swapping out the Radeon GFX and the i5-750 and using just the i3 in a Gigabyte GA-H55M-USB3 mobo.. That brings it more in line with the affordable all-rounder price, while allowing me to swap in a i5-750 and discrete GFX when the need takes me.

How do you think that will compare to the all-rounder, performance-wise? How does the GMA HD fare against the GTS 250 with/without overclock?
impar 13th April 2010, 10:43 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by Xir
How does the Core i7-860 fare against the Core i7-930 for gaming?
(as they are similar in price, and gaming is my heaviest main application.)
For gaming the i5 750 seems the best choice.
Not many games use the HT feature of the i7 and with it enabled you get 10-15ºC more.
rollo 13th April 2010, 11:07 Quote
If your only gaming on your pc anything above the 750 is wasting
money that would be better spent on graphics card

You won't gain performance from anything above it

hyperthreading adds 10c on the stock cooler perhaps on a fenrir it's more like 3-5c max
Ph4ZeD 13th April 2010, 11:45 Quote
Rollo - I turned off HT to test temperatures on my 930. I have a Titan Fenrir cooler. At 3.2GHz, 1.15V, with HT on my load temps were 56C. With HT off, my load temps were 48/49C.
Bindibadgi 13th April 2010, 12:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cyberpower-UK
For the affordable all rounder an unlocked Phenom II x2 550 (aka x4 B50) is a better option as you're getting a full fat quad core for the price of cache strapped Athlon II x4.

We did point out in the text that it's an option ;) but unlocking is never guaranteed and I wouldn't like to make it appear so for those unknowing of it for this reason:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/04/13/amd-removed-core-unlocking/1

Also, it does push the budget up a bit and we're trying to hit the £400 mark.
trig 13th April 2010, 13:15 Quote
maybe this has already been brought up, but i'm surprised you recommend the i7-860 over the i5-750 in your gaming workhorse. i know it's intended for excellent all around performance, but does the 860 give 40% more performance, even in heavily multi-threaded apps, to warrant the 40% increase in price? i'd settle for 25% more performance,but in most situations it doesn't get 15%. just seems like a real waste of money unless all you ever do is cinabench, and even then it wouldn't be worth it for me.
lp1988 13th April 2010, 13:31 Quote
I hope the GF470/480 drop significantly in price, I would still by the Radeon 5870 over the GF480 even if they were the same price. there is nothing worse than too much noise
fingerbob69 13th April 2010, 13:39 Quote
The reason for price rises here while prices are falling in the US is down to the exchange rate; ie the pound falling against the dollar while the dollar strengthens against the pound, the yen and most other currencies. This a trend likely to continue throughout the summer and into autumn.
eddtox 13th April 2010, 13:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by lp1988
I hope the GF470/480 drop significantly in price, I would still by the Radeon 5870 over the GF480 even if they were the same price. there is nothing worse than too much noise

Really? I'm sure I can think of a few worse things. :D
isaac12345 13th April 2010, 16:11 Quote
A price rise in cpu, gpu and memory. Looks like a bad time to upgrade. God I still gotta stick to my e4500! :(
kornedbeefy 13th April 2010, 17:34 Quote
I want a 5870 to replace my 4890 but at $400 (U.S.) thats crazy high. ATI had it right when they released the 4800 series at fantastic prices. Practically everyone was upgrading. They are now in Nvidias pricing territory and you see where that got them.
FeRaL 13th April 2010, 18:04 Quote
You guys need to update your premium player motherboard a bit or at least add an alternative. You should try to get a GA-X58 UD3R to review. It costs ~$70 USD less than the Asus one you recommend and overclocks like a champ. People have complained about electronic whining noise coming from the mobo but that is fixed by manually setting the voltages instead of leaving them set to “auto”.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423&cm_re=ud3r-_-13-128-423-_-Product
metarinka 13th April 2010, 18:07 Quote
spec for spec I have the exact build that you describe in the "gaming workhorse" and it does a good job, is 100% stable and not too loud either. It handles any game I throw at it at 1920x1080 for the record.

I'm using ocz ram @ 1600
and a cooler master powersupply
I'm using the power color 5850 because it has an aftermarket cooler that is more powerful than stock.
I'm using an antec p180 case to keep everything quiet.

Anyways I highly recommend this build I came in at $1200 all from newegg except the titan fenrir which I sourced from heatsink factory.
mrbens 13th April 2010, 19:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by eddtox
Quote:
Originally Posted by lp1988
I hope the GF470/480 drop significantly in price, I would still by the Radeon 5870 over the GF480 even if they were the same price. there is nothing worse than too much noise

Really? I'm sure I can think of a few worse things. :D

liquid cool the card then you won't hear any noise from it =)

still no liquid cooling components in this month again
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