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PC Hardware Buyer's Guide - March 2010

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tonyd223 9th March 2010, 12:07 Quote
HTPC please...
memeroot 9th March 2010, 12:12 Quote
copy and pasting a bit much aren't we?
rollo 9th March 2010, 12:17 Quote
prices seem to be on the rise for most products

6months ago i got what was the premium rig now - the 930 for under £1200 now its 1650 thats a massive price rise for same hardware. ( i know a few peaces might be dif but i dout its a huge dif)

still seems to be for gaming that you may as well mod the budget gamer to your needs. drop in a higher powered psu and a high powerd graphics card and that system is a beast ( 5850 ) is the i750 that much faster in gaming than the amd250 if you give both the exact same hardware otherwise? ( 3-4 fps isnt worth £200 )

no game yet still uses quad core.
Bindibadgi 9th March 2010, 12:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by memeroot
copy and pasting a bit much aren't we?

We want to say the same things and the products don't change, so what else would we do? :(

I do re-read the entire article and spend a considerable amount of time pricing things up and re-reading reviews.
memeroot 9th March 2010, 12:28 Quote
@Bindibadgi

perhaps write an article, or put the new bit in bold so we dont have to re-read the old stuff?
crazyceo 9th March 2010, 12:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by tonyd223
HTPC please...

I'm with Tonyd223 here and would like another run through on a HTPC build. I think the last one was AMD based so it would be interesting to see if the i3 530 makes an appeance. Also the excellent Windows 7 version of media centre as it has a few more tricks under it's sleeve.
will. 9th March 2010, 12:46 Quote
I managed to find the HD 5850 on amazon for under £200. I have to wait 2 weeks, but I'm meant to be working at the moment, so 2 weeks will probably work out nicely, and let me get work done! :p

Also, I see memeroot's point, but writing a new article each month and essentially just re-wording is a waste of time... I'd suggest each build page having clearly defined content areas with nice big headings: Motherboard, Case, GFX, Mem etc etc. These you can copy and paste each month, same as now. Then at the top of the page, in that table of components you can highlight any changes, green for a new product, orange for an alteration (price change, advice etc).

Just my 2p :)
PureSilver 9th March 2010, 12:55 Quote
Yeah, as much as memeroot's idea would make it easier for us to scan for changes, the facts are that the guide is intended for people who don't really read up on this kinda thing. Having it simple and explained (and neatly laid out, the way it is) makes it infinitely easier for them to understand. I like it the way it is - only one alteration I can suggest. In the Gamer build, you talk about how a good P55 motherboard is cheaper than it's X58 alternative, and as an example give the UD3R, which you don't recommend any more (is that intentional, BTW?).

Equally just my $0.02, but thanks for the tests!
smc8788 9th March 2010, 12:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
no game yet still uses quad core.

What? :|
matee 9th March 2010, 13:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
We want to say the same things and the products don't change, so what else would we do?

You could add some kind of a benchmark. I do realize there are plenty of benchmarks out there. This however would give a nice overview of how much you are getting going for a more expensive option.
But I guess you often don’t have the exact hardware you recommend at your disposal.

Best,
m.
tad2008 9th March 2010, 13:16 Quote
Roll on April so we can see if the Fermi cards are worth their salt and get included...
jellylad 9th March 2010, 13:27 Quote
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still seems to be for gaming that you may as well mod the budget gamer to your needs. drop in a higher powered psu and a high powerd graphics card and that system is a beast ( 5850 ) is the i750 that much faster in gaming than the amd250 if you give both the exact same hardware otherwise? ( 3-4 fps isnt worth £200 )

I'm about to buy a new PC for gaming and am by no means an expert. Is this above correct? Just buy the budget PC and swap in the 5850? Thanks for any help guys! What would the fps hit be?
Brooxy 9th March 2010, 13:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by tonyd223
HTPC please...

How about a fileserver build? Large storage and RAID with a low power consumption...
[ZiiP] NaloaC 9th March 2010, 13:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
prices seem to be on the rise for most products

6months ago i got what was the premium rig now - the 930 for under £1200 now its 1650 thats a massive price rise for same hardware. ( i know a few peaces might be dif but i dout its a huge dif)

no game yet still uses quad core.


Well, the 930 wasn't available 6 months ago.

Bad Company 2 certainly seems to be pushing all my cores to half load (i7 920 D0).
feedayeen 9th March 2010, 13:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Brooxy
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Originally Posted by tonyd223
HTPC please...

How about a fileserver build? Large storage and RAID with a low power consumption...

Gameserver maybe?
BioSniper 9th March 2010, 13:59 Quote
Good to see that the i5 750 is still king of my price bracket. Shame it still too expensive though :(
Must earn moar.
Bindibadgi 9th March 2010, 14:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by matee
You could add some kind of a benchmark. I do realize there are plenty of benchmarks out there. This however would give a nice overview of how much you are getting going for a more expensive option.
But I guess you often don’t have the exact hardware you recommend at your disposal.

Best,
m.

Aye you're correct we do not have all the hardware to hand. It's a buying guideline to point people in the right direction and budget not a "you must get this". We base our product recommendations on our own reviews anyway which we often link to throughout the article - each one has its own performance and conclusion inside that article. People simply have to click through :)

We've been through specific builds before and it doesn't work well. People want too much personalisation from them and it never really applies. There's enough forum threads dedicated to specific stuff like HTPC and File Servers too :)
somak 9th March 2010, 14:57 Quote
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We've forgone the case too, because it's almost impossible to find one that fits four, dual slot graphics cards in..... If you do have a case to recommend us, please let us know though!

The Silverstone Raven 2 has 8 expansion slots
Lehmann 9th March 2010, 14:58 Quote
i disagree with your folding rig, 18,000 ppd on those 4 card at best. build a i7-920 or 930 GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R a couple sticks of memory or your choice. will work just fine with 2 sticks. cheap hard drive. cheapest video card you can find. overclocked to 4.0ghz with a corsair h50 maybe a hair more. its worth 17,000 ppd running smp. its cheaper and uses less power at the wall.
wuyanxu 9th March 2010, 15:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lehmann
i disagree with your folding rig, 18,000 ppd on those 4 card at best. build a i7-920 or 930 GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R a couple sticks of memory or your choice. will work just fine with 2 sticks. cheap hard drive. cheapest video card you can find. overclocked to 4.0ghz with a corsair h50 maybe a hair more. its worth 17,000 ppd running smp. its cheaper and uses less power at the wall.
it's cheaper for you, sure, but Folding isn't about points, it's about contributing and GPUs contribute more work than CPU, Stanford just tunes their worth so that CPU users don't feel outdated.
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Originally Posted by tad2008
Roll on April so we can see if the Fermi cards are worth their salt and get included...
agree, but then, we could have to wait for the price war to settle before choosing the best bang-bucks, that means may be 2 or even 3 months later.
Lehmann 9th March 2010, 15:16 Quote
ill forgot about that part. but it is the compitition that makes soo many people spend soo much money building farms. not all but a lot.
rollo 9th March 2010, 15:37 Quote
you would need to increase power supply ( used the modx 500watt ) but the rest is correct jelly

Its all i did for a m8s pc and the dif between us ingames is small when i used hte same card ( talking 5-10 fps at best here)
eddtox 9th March 2010, 16:33 Quote
Any thoughts on USB 3.0? I'm looking to build a new system for ~£650. Highest priority is future-proofing as I don't want to upgrade the whole system any time soon, but I do hope to be able to drop in/swap bits as needed.
Bindibadgi 9th March 2010, 16:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by eddtox
Any thoughts on USB 3.0? I'm looking to build a new system for ~£650. Highest priority is future-proofing as I don't want to upgrade the whole system any time soon, but I do hope to be able to drop in/swap bits as needed.

Some of the boards we've recommended have USB 3. SATA 6G controllers are all a bit naff right now. What's your price range?
trig 9th March 2010, 16:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by memeroot
@Bindibadgi

perhaps write an article, or put the new bit in bold so we dont have to re-read the old stuff?

not good enough. bindi, i want you to call me and read this article to me, while serving me some lemonade and fanning me gently...
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