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Intel Core i7-7700K, Core i5-7600K (Kaby Lake) and Z270 Chipset Review

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Taua 6th January 2017, 19:35 Quote
£180+ for an 2 core i3.

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Arboreal 6th January 2017, 20:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Taua
£180+ for an 2 core i3.

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

This is not just an i3, this is an unlocked multiplier i3K

/M&S Advert style ;)

Still overpriced, i5 money as you rightly said. 4 proper cores on heavily multi threaded applications will beat faster 2core + hyperthreading.

Same as Pentium Anniversary Edition (G3258) vs full fat Haswell i3 I guess.
You could upclock the nuts off it and get the single threaded performance up, but IIRC the hyperthreading on the i3 still had it licked on some heavily multi threaded stuff.

Reminds me, I really must try and give eth G3258 here a good thrashing... evening all
littlepuppi 7th January 2017, 10:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by LennyRhys
TBH if I had ample disposable income I'd have done the exact same thing myself - the 6950X would be perfect for my workload and I'd likely keep it for a good few years (been running the X5650 for over two years now). People said of the i7 990X that the price at release was high, but if you spread it over 4-5 years it's actually not half bad. Granted, the 6950X is more expensive in today's money, but it probably works out very similar in terms of price/performance.

Agree mate, and the knowledge that I cannot go any higher is useful as it nullifies the upgradation itch that is so tricky!

Hoping to stay on x99 now for at least 3 - 5 years, cannot see anything that will leave this cpu underpowered the way things are going.....
Bindibadgi 7th January 2017, 14:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by littlepuppi
Agree mate, and the knowledge that I cannot go any higher is useful as it nullifies the upgradation itch that is so tricky!

Hoping to stay on x99 now for at least 3 - 5 years, cannot see anything that will leave this cpu underpowered the way things are going.....

My Sandy-E lasted me 4 years until I got the chance for a 5960X. It's been 18 months already and can't say I'll need to upgrade for another 3 years. Haswell-E is fast enough. I'll only be missing the newer BIOS/software for fan control and power savings, and within another ~18 months, PCIE 4.
LennyRhys 7th January 2017, 16:07 Quote
Totally agree with littlepuppi on the upgrade itch issue. I'm still on SATA 2 and PCIE 2.0 (and, for the most part, USB 2.0) and the world hasn't ended yet, but I think if I go to Skylake or Kaby Lake I'll forever want more cores.

Also agree with Bindi that even now, Haswell-E is still ample for another few years. If I can contain myself for another six months I might be able to pick up a used 5960X for a good price, and I'd be more than happy with that.
RedFlames 7th January 2017, 17:14 Quote
Copypasta from another thread, but thought it relevant to this one too -

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Originally Posted by RedFlames
4790K MSRP was $339-$350

£ averaged $1.64 in 2014 [its year of release] giving a UK price of £246-£255

7700K is [officially at least] the same MSRP.

Which at current exchange [£ = $1.23] rate give a £ price of £333-£342

So the jump in price is almost solely down to the £ going down the toilet over the last few years.


All based on Intel's 'Recommended Customer Price' on ARK, forex rates from here.
Vault-Tec 7th January 2017, 19:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
My Sandy-E lasted me 4 years until I got the chance for a 5960X. It's been 18 months already and can't say I'll need to upgrade for another 3 years. Haswell-E is fast enough. I'll only be missing the newer BIOS/software for fan control and power savings, and within another ~18 months, PCIE 4.

TBH I kinda regret binning my 3970x off too early. When I clocked the balls off it it actually beat my 5820k @ 4.4ghz. Problem was getting it to perform like that meant a lot of stress put onto the board.

Total sidegrade but I got the warranty and X99 boards are far easier to come by than X79 !

Not upgrading again for ages though. I also have the 8 core Ivy Xeon which isn't far off of a stock 5960x and AMD are promising what? 5-10% IPC over Haswell and two more cores? not worth it.

If we see a sudden core race and games start eating all of the cores you can throw at them then I may consider it. Thing is I just can't see that happening. AMD have been trying to force it for about five years now and nothing has changed.

Intel should not have raced with themselves for so long. They have made all of their releases pointless upgrades unless you don't have a PC at all.
Bindibadgi 8th January 2017, 02:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Also agree with Bindi that even now, Haswell-E is still ample for another few years. If I can contain myself for another six months I might be able to pick up a used 5960X for a good price, and I'd be more than happy with that.

This is why I say that a Ryzen with 'just' Haswell-E performance/cores will be extremely attractive for the price. The incremental update between Haswell to KabySkylake is negligible for the price. (But if you're on Sandy/Ivy I would still say worth the upgrade)

The thing that got me to upgrade from X79 was the fan control and ASUS software on X99 was WAY better. Haven't used a recent Z270 board yet to see the changes.
Vault-Tec 8th January 2017, 13:41 Quote
lolz Intel just preparing their £183 unlocked K series I3 and then it happened.

http://i.imgur.com/y5w7Rv9.jpg

Shots fired !
LennyRhys 8th January 2017, 15:03 Quote
It a good sales hook if nothing else. Unlocked CPUs that can only be overclocked in some motherboards, and there isn't all that much on how well the chips overclock. The biggest shock IMO will be how US retail prices translate into UK prices.
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
This is why I say that a Ryzen with 'just' Haswell-E performance/cores will be extremely attractive for the price.
Definitely - I'm keen to find out all the gory details about the 8-core Ryzen as it's a really attractive option for me coming from power-hungry X58. For a 95W TDP component the performance is staggering... which is why I need to see some context!
Vault-Tec 8th January 2017, 15:31 Quote
If it's $500 even if that translates to £500 it's still half of the price of the Intel CPU.

I'm glad that AMD are locking out overclocking on some boards this time around. It may stop the confusion about VRMs and phases etc. The amount of AM3 boards I saw burn out when people overclocked Bulldozer or even the Phenom 2 X6.

I also can not see them being any more expensive than the Intel boards. They should be cheaper., because AMD is making all of the chipsets themselves and thus can sell them cheaper than Intel do (Intel charge huge licensing fees to use their sockets for example).
Anfield 8th January 2017, 16:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by LennyRhys
The biggest shock IMO will be how US retail prices translate into UK prices.

£ to USD has been in the 1.20 - 1.25 range pretty steadily over the last 2 month or so, so 1:1 pricing is pretty certain to happen (due to vat we don't need exchange rate parity for price parity), but it will be the last major tech launch before the supposed triggering of Article 50 and what happens to the exchange rate after that remains to be seen, better buy Ryzen at launch:D
rollo 8th January 2017, 17:06 Quote
And if it's $800 which is the highest rumoured that's £800 which is still £200 cheaper than the equivalent Intel at least in the UK.

Not sure why they would undercut Intel by nearly £500. Unless the chip is noticeably slower core for core. That's why I don't get the rumoured prices vs rumours benches.

If your chip beats the best Intel chip you don't undercut them by half. £200 less is a lot of money still.
Anfield 8th January 2017, 18:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
And if it's $800 which is the highest rumoured that's £800 which is still £200 cheaper than the equivalent Intel at least in the UK.

If AMD releases multiple versions of eight core Ryzen rather than just one (Intel only has one single eight core current gen consumer product with the 6900k) it will end up covering a range of prices.

And thanks to the whole range being multiplier unlocked we can then leave the top end one to the reviewers who get them for free and just buy the one that comes with a slight clock speed deficit like we did in the good old days.

Also listen to how mainboard manufacturers are treating the upcoming AMD chips as a value product:

l9gmgOuxN8k

@ about 1 min mark if you don't want to watch whole video.
Harlequin 8th January 2017, 19:48 Quote
wow

given that the first gigabyte `aorus` gaming product is Z270 based

it is also £560!!

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-z270x-gaming-9-intel-z270-s-1151-ddr4-satae-u2-m2-4-way-sli-crossfire-gbe-wifi-usb-31?utm_source=google%20shopping&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CI7WoNins9ECFdYYGwodHqAAgw

so by that `metric` - £300 is `value` product!

the gaming 7 is still £200 - so if the AX370 gaming is a comparable product , then it`ll be £200+!
littlepuppi 8th January 2017, 21:53 Quote
Any "real" competition in the CPU space is good for all parties, I hope Zen is a winner and strongly suspect it will be.
bawjaws 8th January 2017, 22:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
wow

given that the first gigabyte `aorus` gaming product is Z270 based

it is also £560!!

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-z270x-gaming-9-intel-z270-s-1151-ddr4-satae-u2-m2-4-way-sli-crossfire-gbe-wifi-usb-31?utm_source=google%20shopping&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CI7WoNins9ECFdYYGwodHqAAgw

so by that `metric` - £300 is `value` product!

the gaming 7 is still £200 - so if the AX370 gaming is a comparable product , then it`ll be £200+!

Yeah, the Z270 boards seem to be pretty dear, even allowing for recent exchange rate issues. But then again, they're just following the trend for a number of "high end" PC components to get more expensive (in real terms) over time.

Time was when "enthusiast" motherboards might have topped out at £150 and that would have been eye-watering, but we're now seeing £250 and £300 boards becoming common. Ouch.
Anfield 8th January 2017, 22:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
wow

given that the first gigabyte `aorus` gaming product is Z270 based

it is also £560!!

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-z270x-gaming-9-intel-z270-s-1151-ddr4-satae-u2-m2-4-way-sli-crossfire-gbe-wifi-usb-31

lol, the news of that price must have flown past me, the most expensive 2011v3 board from Gigabyte is £350, so the Aorus Gaming 9 is a £210 premium for a lesser platform...
Harlequin 8th January 2017, 23:04 Quote
but 2011 uses cpu`s that are 2 or 3 generations old now and the boards don't have the latest *price premium* features.....
Vault-Tec 9th January 2017, 00:04 Quote
Either Gigabyte have lost their tiny minds or Intel has jacked up the chipset/socket fees.

£560. lmao. I could get a board, CPU and ram for that ! and probably have some change too !
RedFlames 9th January 2017, 00:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec
Either Gigabyte have lost their tiny minds or Intel has jacked up the chipset/socket fees.

£560. lmao. I could get a board, CPU and ram for that ! and probably have some change too !

I'm going with 'Gigabyte have lost their mind' [either that or Scan have].

The ASUS ROG Maximus IX isn't exactly cheap at £350 but I'm struggling to see how GB think their offering is worth an extra £200 over the ASUS.
Harlequin 9th January 2017, 00:43 Quote
ocuk have the gigabyte board at a bargain £519
Anfield 9th January 2017, 01:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
but 2011 uses cpu`s that are 2 or 3 generations old now and the boards don't have the latest *price premium* features.....

The boards aren't that old, they all released new x99 boards to add junk like rgb and features likes USB 3.1. Also it is still the official halo product platform, so no, it doesn't make any sense for mainstream platform mainboards to cost as much or more than them.
Bindibadgi 9th January 2017, 09:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
ocuk have the gigabyte board at a bargain £519

Even the R5V10 (~9 months old?) is cheaper than Scan
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-rampage-v-edition-10-intel-x99-socket-2011-ddr4-eatx-motherboard-mb-68d-as.html
Gareth Halfacree 9th January 2017, 09:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec
£560. lmao. I could get a board, CPU and ram for that ! and probably have some change too !
My entire desktop cost less than £500. They're having a giraffe.
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