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Intel Haswell-E; Intel Core i7-5960X Review, X99 Chipset and DDR4

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damien c 29th August 2014, 18:51 Quote
The 5960X is actually alot cheaper than I was expecting, and the performance is actually quite good and it's going to be a struggle to wait till next year to get one, when I get my annual bonus.

The overclocking in terms of speed seems poor but considering it's a 8 core cpu I think Intel can be forgiven for that, but still 50% overclock is decent.
Hustler 29th August 2014, 20:58 Quote
Good for professional users I suppose as they have a genuine need for more cores, but for the likes of me, my 4690K will do just fine until the 4C/8T Broadwell chips come out next year...I think I'll upgrade to one of those, double up to 16GB of RAM and that'll be it for the next 3-4yrs.

With a GPU upgrade every 18mths or so, I really can't see me needing anything more.
Combatus 29th August 2014, 21:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
Good for professional users I suppose as they have a genuine need for more cores, but for the likes of me, my 4690K will do just fine until the 4C/8T Broadwell chips come out next year...I think I'll upgrade to one of those, double up to 16GB of RAM and that'll be it for the next 3-4yrs.

With a GPU upgrade every 18mths or so, I really can't see me needing anything more.

That's pretty much it. I am extremely tempted to get one of the tasty boards but can I really justify the cost or even need it? Nope, but I still want it :)
jrs77 29th August 2014, 23:43 Quote
As I do more and more 3d-rendering I'm really getting an itch to get one of those.

However, I just can't justify the price for such a system, even if it would cut rendering-times by half compared to my current rig.
mikemaher205 30th August 2014, 00:27 Quote
Am I being slow, but are some of your benchmark graphs incorrectly ordered? Some tests it is placed below a CPU that did worse, implying the CPU here is actually slower when it isn't?
Combatus 30th August 2014, 00:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikemaher205
Am I being slow, but are some of your benchmark graphs incorrectly ordered? Some tests it is placed below a CPU that did worse, implying the CPU here is actually slower when it isn't?

Yeah just spotted those, sorted them now. Combination of clearing out old data and adding in new results at the last minute! If you spot any more let me know!
mikemaher205 30th August 2014, 00:52 Quote
*puts on troll hat* I'm on a rampage after picking on your SSD review graphs! I love graphs...

*cough* Power consumption *cough*
Combatus 30th August 2014, 01:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikemaher205
*puts on troll hat* I'm on a rampage after picking on your SSD review graphs! I love graphs...

*cough* Power consumption *cough*

Ha ha! think I've been staring at these too long over the last few days...
Corky42 30th August 2014, 10:39 Quote
Have to say I'm disappointed with how Intel has crippled some of these chips, the 4790K is (imho) the go to chip for gaming, but then it only comes with 16 PCI-E 3.0 lanes so we are limited in how many GPUs can be run.

The 5960X is the go to chip for software that can make use of the extra cores, but then you face the problem of slower single core performance, paired with 40 PCI-E 3.0 lanes that mean multi GPU setup are not a problem.

Then they are still using DMI 2.0 so all those connections hanging off the X99 are limited in bandwidth to the CPU & RAM. :(
rollo 30th August 2014, 11:59 Quote
Cheaper than expected performance is insane if you need it. You must of got a better chip than some other review sites as they struggled to hit 4.3ghz.

You know you can buy mobos with chips on for pcie lanes corky if your targeting gaming in that way you can buy that mobos. If your spending 1.5k on 3 gpus what's an extra £50 on a mobo.

Dmi 2.0 still has more bandwidth than can be saturated even with the 8 core CPU and top end ram. Still talking 20gbit/ sec bandwidth. Skylake will bring about the 3.0 improvements in dmi guess if it was ready it may of been on this chipset.
t5kcannon 30th August 2014, 13:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
Good for professional users I suppose as they have a genuine need for more cores, but for the likes of me, my 4690K will do just fine until the 4C/8T Broadwell chips come out next year...I think I'll upgrade to one of those, double up to 16GB of RAM and that'll be it for the next 3-4yrs.

With a GPU upgrade every 18mths or so, I really can't see me needing anything more.

Yes I agree, that about sums up my ideas regarding upgrading too. Those X99 boards look nice though!
Corky42 30th August 2014, 13:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
You know you can buy mobos with chips on for pcie lanes corky if your targeting gaming in that way you can buy that mobos. If your spending 1.5k on 3 gpus what's an extra £50 on a mobo.

Dmi 2.0 still has more bandwidth than can be saturated even with the 8 core CPU and top end ram. Still talking 20gbit/ sec bandwidth. Skylake will bring about the 3.0 improvements in dmi guess if it was ready it may of been on this chipset.
Yea i know some Mobo support more PCI-E lanes, but (afaik) those would be using PCI-E 2.0 and not directly linked to the CPU, I'm also guessing they wouldn't be x16 slots, or would be sharing the DMI bandwidth.

The DMI thing isn't a biggy for most people, but with six USB 3.0 ports, eight USB 2.0 ports, eight PCIe 2.0 lanes, 10 SATA 6Gbps ports, and more, all depending on that 20gbit/ sec bandwidth you can see the numbers just don't add up.
rollo 30th August 2014, 14:04 Quote
If your gonna fill all those devices then your likely in a tiny niche of the market. Think I use 2 Usb slots and 2 PCIE slots. and 2 Sata slots.

As for PCIE lanes they are pcie 3.0 last I checked. using the PLX chip that is on those Mobos. Assuming you wanted them for gaming naturally.
Omnituens 30th August 2014, 14:06 Quote
While impressive, I don't think I will replace my 920, the price for all the needed upgrades is too high for my taste. Now I am stuck between getting a Devil's Canyon or waiting for Broadwell. Hm :/
Pookie 30th August 2014, 15:44 Quote
So can the the CPU's work in existing X79 boards with a BIOS update? Or are they locked to only work with X99 and DDR4?
faugusztin 30th August 2014, 15:48 Quote
Of course it cannot work on X79. The socket is different, the memory controller is for DDR4 only.
Corky42 30th August 2014, 16:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
If your gonna fill all those devices then your likely in a tiny niche of the market. Think I use 2 Usb slots and 2 PCIE slots. and 2 Sata slots.

As for PCIE lanes they are pcie 3.0 last I checked. using the PLX chip that is on those Mobos. Assuming you wanted them for gaming naturally.

Isn't that who these chips are aimed at though ? I mean these are supposed to be the best of the best, targeted at the niche end of the market. Like i said it's probably no biggy, but I'm just disappointed that Intel has deliberately crippled some of the chips purely for market segmentation purposes.

Using a PLX chip can't add more lanes than is supported by the CPU, all it can do is manage how those lanes are divided, or convert an unused chipset interconnect, that in turn goes over the DMI link between the CPU and chipset.

With 4K displays, M.2 and SATA Express, all demanding more bandwidth i do question why Intel has chosen to cripple their high end CPUs so much.
rollo 30th August 2014, 18:27 Quote
There is a simple reason and its so they can sell you the next chip with it on and claim its an upgrade if you want to look at it that way.

The way Id look at it would be does it do what I want if it ticks those boxes its a pretty easy buy. Its also alot cheaper than most people were expecting. £760 is about £240 less than I thought it would be.

5960x and 5930x come with 40 pcie lanes its just the low end chip that is reduced. £130 for 12 pcie lanes you could say is the price your paying for Intels domination of CPU market.

5820k would never really be a option for me anyway the total system cost is alot higher due to Mobo and Ram costs than a 4790k. If I was paying for those things higher mobo costs and higher ram costs the £130 for the next step up is not exactly break the bank money.
Corky42 30th August 2014, 19:08 Quote
Oh yea i know they done it purely for marketing reasons, and because they can get away with it. I just wish they gave the highest clocked chip more PCIe lanes so it would suit single thread, multi GPU setups more, i.e gaming.
Panos 1st September 2014, 15:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pookie
So can the the CPU's work in existing X79 boards with a BIOS update? Or are they locked to only work with X99 and DDR4?

No. Need new motherboard.

However my advice is to keep your 4820K/4930K mate.

The new Haswell-E are just a rip off. Of course if you want to run Cinebench all day, please go buy one.

As you see on the gaming section, there are no differences, and I have an overclocked 4820K @5Ghz which was the best value for money CPU ever. Which is a fantastic CPU as the old Q6600 and the 2600K.

Soldered, not glued with paste, 40 PCI lanes for full 2x SLI/CF support, runs cool, and is a total beast eating everything on it's pass. (the 4820K i mean)
mclean007 8th September 2014, 11:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
The 5960X is actually alot cheaper than I was expecting, and the performance is actually quite good and it's going to be a struggle to wait till next year to get one, when I get my annual bonus.
I hate to be "that guy" but if you need to wait for an annual bonus to be able to scrape together enough money to buy one of these, are you sure you've got your financial priorities straight?! The chips further down the range offer much better value.
faugusztin 8th September 2014, 13:38 Quote
Meamwhile one MSI and one ASUS board "expired" in the hands of the reviewers.
damien c 8th September 2014, 14:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by mclean007
I hate to be "that guy" but if you need to wait for an annual bonus to be able to scrape together enough money to buy one of these, are you sure you've got your financial priorities straight?! The chips further down the range offer much better value.

I will also be buying new graphics cards, ssd's and other stuff at the same time which is why I want to wait for my annual bonus although I do have the money for one next month, but I will just add it to my existing money that I have set aside and then add my bonus as well.

Will have roughly £3k to £4k for my build next year.
Pookeyhead 9th September 2014, 07:47 Quote
That's really disappointing for video editing. I was expecting it to be much faster than this.. I mean.. Haswell with 2 extra cores, and the video results over my 3960X are hardly worth the effort of upgrading. Only those interested in 3D rendering need bother with this it would seem. It seems to get a good trouncing by the 4970K in most things.

All in all.... what a waste of time. Why would anyone invest in this?

For an upgrade over SB-E it's a major disappointment. The power saving is nice, but not worth the cost to get it.


Looks like a 4790K is the way to go.
Elton 9th September 2014, 10:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead
That's really disappointing for video editing. I was expecting it to be much faster than this.. I mean.. Haswell with 2 extra cores, and the video results over my 3960X are hardly worth the effort of upgrading. Only those interested in 3D rendering need bother with this it would seem. It seems to get a good trouncing by the 4970K in most things.

All in all.... what a waste of time. Why would anyone invest in this?

For an upgrade over SB-E it's a major disappointment. The power saving is nice, but not worth the cost to get it.


Looks like a 4790K is the way to go.

I would wager that the reason you'd invest in a 5960X and DDR4 would be memory bandwidth and PCI-E lanes. IPC and clockspeed performance obviously falls in favor of the 4770/4790K but that's more due to the fact that those processors have higher clock rates.

I'd wager that if one absolutely needed a cheap high thread/high frequency CPU the 5960X or the 5930X would fill that spot for a lot less than a comparable Xeon. Not to mention it can overclock. Is it faster than SB-E users? No, but I'd wager the DDR4 support, the native USB 3.0 and the full featured PCI-E lanes are probably worth the investment for some people.

That said, I have no idea why SB-E or IB-E users on X79 would migrate. Unless they really hated the X79 platform. It's no surprise though that the 4790K outperforms the 5960X even in overclocking and performance for video games. Not many are threaded in 8 or 16 thread configurations. For general use, unless it's IPC bound, I'd be very surprised if the 5960X outperformed the Haswell quads since they're still frequency bound.

Overclocking is unsurprisingly not as good either, let's be honest it's literally twice the cores. The awkward chip out is the 5820K though, it's got Sandybridge Speeds, with Haswell IPC and a weird compromise of PCI-E lanes. For Tri-GPU configurations I'd find the 5820K an unattractive proposition even if it is cheaper.
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