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Raijintek Pallas Review

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Almightyrastus 17th January 2014, 10:43 Quote
Now we are seeing so many coolers listed in the test results, could a distinction be added to show liquid or air ? Not all of us are intimately familiar with a specific cooler's design from just the name.
ChaosDefinesOrder 17th January 2014, 10:49 Quote
anyone else misread the product name as "phallus" at first glance?

(also second the request for air vs. liquid distinction in graphs)
Dogbert666 17th January 2014, 10:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by ChaosDefinesOrder
anyone else misread the product name as "phallus" at first glance?

(also second the request for air vs. liquid distinction in graphs)

...No... :P

We'll look into clearing those up though :) How does separate charts sound? Or would we prefer different colours to distinguish?
AlphaAngel 17th January 2014, 11:03 Quote
This is asking to much maybe but maybe putting an (lp) or something next to low profile coolers and (AIO) next to the liquid coolers would help with anything else assumed to be a tower cooler.

I only add the (lp) idea as many HTPCs cannot support full sized tower coolers and this would help to compare like for like a bit more easily. Only an idea though.
Combatus 17th January 2014, 11:14 Quote
I think it's important to include an air and water mix, especially where they're the same price. We can certainly look at making low profile and all-in-one liquid coolers different colours or labeling them though. Don't forget that you can use the tags under 'More About' on the right side of the page to bring up other similar reviews too - like this for low profile coolers.
Almightyrastus 17th January 2014, 11:14 Quote
Just an (a) or (w) after the product name or equally simple would suffice, with a line or two added into the review just before the table is presented explaining.
SchizoFrog 17th January 2014, 11:14 Quote
I second AlphaAngel's idea with the 3 groups, how you choose to show the distinction however is up to you but I would prefer to see them all listed together on the same chart rather than having to go back and forth to compare on different charts.
xaser04 17th January 2014, 11:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by ChaosDefinesOrder
anyone else misread the product name as "phallus" at first glance?

Yup! :p

At first I was thinking "Why have they called it tha....", then I was like "Oh, derp".
[USRF]Obiwan 17th January 2014, 14:11 Quote
Does this fit on a mini-itx?
Combatus 17th January 2014, 15:35 Quote
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Obiwan]Does this fit on a mini-itx?

It was tall enough to clear the heatsinks on our Maximus V Formula but a lot will depend on your particular board. Were you thinking of one in particular? If we have it I can check it for you.
Farfalho 17th January 2014, 18:23 Quote
So... When it's due an AMD rig due to testing? I think it's a major fault in the reviews. And yes, I have an AMD.
Was supposed to go to Intel but didn't have the enough money since pc died unexpectedly and had to build on a budget.

Luckily, my Zalman CNPS9900LED is compatible to FM2+, a plus for AMD, at least.

I insist on this because that might come a day I want to change cpu cooler and still can't go WC the pc and have no review avaliable here.
Anfield 18th January 2014, 02:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
It was tall enough to clear the heatsinks on our Maximus V Formula but a lot will depend on your particular board. Were you thinking of one in particular? If we have it I can check it for you.

The Asus Z87I Professional and Asus Z87 Maximus VI Impact have a daughterboard for power circuitry, so I would assume they are the "worst" case scenarios for cpu cooler compability, due to which a positive result on either of those two would mean it would fit on any mini itx board.
Adnoctum 18th January 2014, 08:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Anfield

The Asus Z87I Professional and Asus Z87 Maximus VI Impact have a daughterboard for power circuitry, so I would assume they are the "worst" case scenarios for cpu cooler compability, due to which a positive result on either of those two would mean it would fit on any mini itx board.

No, the worst case scenario would be most Socket 1156/1155/1150 MITX boards, because most of those have their sockets placed in close proximity to the PCI-E slot and thus severely limiting HSF choice. Constantly exasperating as an Intel MITX owner looking to replace the stock HSF.
See: http://static.scan.co.uk/images/products/1510622-b.jpg

No such issues with AMD sockets, new or old, I can stick anything on my two AMD ITX boards (both with differing socket orientation) so all I needed to care about was height clearance. In fact I didn't even need to buy another HSF for them because of full socket compatibility all the way from S754 in 2003 through to FM2+ in 2014. Everything fits.

Intel MITX has been such an issue for component choice and the extra CPU performance not at all worth it, that I'll be going AMD next time no matter how stellar the Intel IPC is. And I won't need to buy another HSF to replace the stock one. I already have several.
ferret141 18th January 2014, 12:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by ChaosDefinesOrder
anyone else misread the product name as "phallus" at first glance?

(also second the request for air vs. liquid distinction in graphs)

Damn you. I originally read it as palace but now every time I see I've read it as phallus.
SchizoFrog 18th January 2014, 13:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Adnoctum

Intel MITX has been such an issue for component choice and the extra CPU performance not at all worth it, that I'll be going AMD next time no matter how stellar the Intel IPC is. And I won't need to buy another HSF to replace the stock one. I already have several.

I am just amazed, although not surprised that someone would decide to base their whole PC choices around the compatibility of a CPU cooler. There are coolers that would suffice for less than £10 and it isn't THAT hard to find one that would fit that offers higher performance.

It literally took me 2mins to find this:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/noctua-nh-l9i-low-profile-quiet-cpu-cooler-intel-lga1150-1155-1156

Which states this in the product description:
'At a super-low profile of only 37mm, the NH-L9i is ideal for extremely slim cases and due to its 95x95mm footprint, it provides full compatibility with tall RAM modules and VGA cards on mini-ITX mainboards'
Combatus 21st January 2014, 13:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Anfield
The Asus Z87I Professional and Asus Z87 Maximus VI Impact have a daughterboard for power circuitry, so I would assume they are the "worst" case scenarios for cpu cooler compability, due to which a positive result on either of those two would mean it would fit on any mini itx board.

I can confirm that the Pallas fits on our P8Z77-i Deluxe - very similar layout, but only with the pointy ends of the heapipes facing downwards, so basically 90 degrees CW compared to the pic of it mounted on the last page. That;s enough to clear both DIMM slots too, with standard sticks in them. Only about 5mm clearance though so larger sticks are a no-no.
Initialised 24th January 2014, 17:22 Quote
For these low profile coolers I'd love to see a matrix of which cooler fits which mITX board and Chassis as it can be a minefield when clearances are tight.
Adnoctum 26th January 2014, 06:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
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Originally Posted by Adnoctum

Intel MITX has been such an issue for component choice and the extra CPU performance not at all worth it, that I'll be going AMD next time no matter how stellar the Intel IPC is. And I won't need to buy another HSF to replace the stock one. I already have several.

I am just amazed, although not surprised that someone would decide to base their whole PC choices around the compatibility of a CPU cooler. There are coolers that would suffice for less than £10 and it isn't THAT hard to find one that would fit that offers higher performance.

It literally took me 2mins to find this:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/noctua-nh-l9i-low-profile-quiet-cpu-cooler-intel-lga1150-1155-1156

Thank you for knowing exactly how suitable this HSF is for my needs/situation.
How did my research for a suitable HSF for my situation miss this Noctua product (even though I own two other Noctua products) when your 2 minutes of searching came up with the perfect solution? Another story of the mysteries of the great Google-plex, eh?
Anfield 27th January 2014, 01:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Combatus
I can confirm that the Pallas fits on our P8Z77-i Deluxe - very similar layout, but only with the pointy ends of the heapipes facing downwards, so basically 90 degrees CW compared to the pic of it mounted on the last page. That;s enough to clear both DIMM slots too, with standard sticks in them. Only about 5mm clearance though so larger sticks are a no-no.

Thanks a lot
jrs77 27th January 2014, 01:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Adnoctum
No, the worst case scenario would be most Socket 1156/1155/1150 MITX boards, because most of those have their sockets placed in close proximity to the PCI-E slot and thus severely limiting HSF choice. Constantly exasperating as an Intel MITX owner looking to replace the stock HSF.
See: http://static.scan.co.uk/images/products/1510622-b.jpg

No such issues with AMD sockets, new or old, I can stick anything on my two AMD ITX boards (both with differing socket orientation) so all I needed to care about was height clearance. In fact I didn't even need to buy another HSF for them because of full socket compatibility all the way from S754 in 2003 through to FM2+ in 2014. Everything fits.

Intel MITX has been such an issue for component choice and the extra CPU performance not at all worth it, that I'll be going AMD next time no matter how stellar the Intel IPC is. And I won't need to buy another HSF to replace the stock one. I already have several.

I never had issues with LP-coolers on the intel-spec mITX-boards. All the Gigabyte-boards have the socket close to the PCIe x16 and I can fit most LP-coolers there without blocking the PCIe x16.

If big things like the Thermalright AXP-200 does fit (and btw... the Pallas is basically a clone of the AXP-200), then I guess everything else will too. The Samuel 17 from Prolimatech is also a good fit on mITX-boards with the socket close to the PCIe x16.

EDIT: Clearance for the TR AXP-200 which is basically exactly the same, strapped to a mITX-board with standard socket-positioning.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=2327&pictureid=35771

It's actually pretty much what you're after for a mITX-system, as it cools all components on the board, has enough clearance for standard DDR3-DIMMs and doesn't block the PCIe x16 slot. Even a picoPSU would fit perfectly under this heatsink and get cooled.
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