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MSI GeForce GTX 760 Twin Frozr OC 2GB Review

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Parge 4th July 2013, 11:35 Quote
Though the delta is undoubtedly the way to go for reviews, would you be able to tell us what temps the GPU core reached under load?
Hustler 4th July 2013, 12:16 Quote
Any news on when 4GB versions of the 760 will start to arrive?
Baz 4th July 2013, 12:28 Quote
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Any news on when 4GB versions of the 760 will start to arrive?

No news, and if precedent's anything to go by, they'll make little to no difference anyway. 770 2GB is lots faster with the same 2GB, 780 only has 3GB and goes faster than 6GB Titan with a bit of OC.
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Originally Posted by Parge
Though the delta is undoubtedly the way to go for reviews, would you be able to tell us what temps the GPU core reached under load?

64°C stock, 68°C when OC, in 24°C ambient under extended load. Fan rpm in the screenshot of 1142.
Lenderz 4th July 2013, 12:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
Any news on when 4GB versions of the 760 will start to arrive?

No news, and if precedent's anything to go by, they'll make little to no difference anyway. 770 2GB is lots faster with the same 2GB, 780 only has 3GB and goes faster than 6GB Titan with a bit of OC.
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Originally Posted by Parge
Though the delta is undoubtedly the way to go for reviews, would you be able to tell us what temps the GPU core reached under load?

64°C stock, 68°C when OC, in 24°C ambient under extended load. Fan rpm in the screenshot of 1142.

Its not really about speed in todays games, but rather tomorrows, with the new consoles increase in memory the chances are texture sizes are going to be increased and memory is going to be a lot more important. If I was to replace my card today I'd want 4gig to have a bit of future proofing personally.
Azariel 4th July 2013, 12:50 Quote
Was really looking forward to getting either this one or the Asus version as they seem to perform quite well! Sadly though, EK indicated they will not be making water blocks for it...

(And, yes, I know watercooling is far from a necessity on this card, but when doing a water cooled system, I would like to do the entire system, not just the CPU :))
Hustler 4th July 2013, 12:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
Any news on when 4GB versions of the 760 will start to arrive?

No news, and if precedent's anything to go by, they'll make little to no difference anyway. 770 2GB is lots faster with the same 2GB, 780 only has 3GB and goes faster than 6GB Titan with a bit of OC.

It wasn't really about it being any faster, just thought a 4GB one of these would make an excellent card to last me 3yrs or so, with the PS4 and 8GB of GDDR5, ports to the PC will need all the Vram they can get..
AlienwareAndy 4th July 2013, 13:14 Quote
Very nice card. It's always nice to see a premium cooling solution make it to a mid ranged card that's affordable :)
SchizoFrog 4th July 2013, 13:54 Quote
I read a little bit somewhere that with a 256bit memory interface the extra memory of a 4GB card doesn't get used any way and to use more than the standard 2GB you really need a memory interface of 512bit so it still wouldn't make a difference even in tomorrows games. Not sure how true this all is as I wasn't really paying attention as I was looking for some other info at the time.
rollo 4th July 2013, 14:41 Quote
Don't think we will see the low end cards with 4gb of ram in them, even the 670/680s with 4gb in we're poor sellers and very hard to find due to that. Mostly because the extra ram was only needed under SLI at multi monitor resolutions, and if your paying for multi monitor buying 2 top end cards is hardly the main cost of your rig.
Panos 4th July 2013, 15:06 Quote
Nothing new here.
Seems my GTX580 going to be replaced by an AMD 8000 series when they come out in Autumn.
SchizoFrog 4th July 2013, 15:12 Quote
It's getting quite hard to keep up with the 3rd party coolers. Nearly all the manufacturers offer their own take on a custom cooler set-up with some companies offering custom PCBs with upgraded components such as this MSI board and ASUS's options too. As good as this individual model seems to have been, I am a little dubious of MSI cards these days as many, many people have had issues with the older Twin Frozr II and the earlier models of the Twin Frozr III. I think I would still punt for the ASUS model with their Direct CU II cooler or possibly their 'mini' version of the GTX760 which is apparently coming.
Shirty 4th July 2013, 15:28 Quote
In my experience of the "old" Twin Frozr III (slapped on a 560Ti 448) it was one of the loudest cards I've ever had the misfortune of owning.

Admittedly that card probably kicked out another 50w of thermals compared to the 760 but even so I couldn't live with it long term.

Sounds like they've tweaked it a bit and married it beautifully to this card though.
SchizoFrog 4th July 2013, 16:31 Quote
That is exactly the card my friend had and it ran at full speed all the time and had temps just below the thermal threshold even when not playing games, and as you say, it was loud as hell.
SuicideNeil 4th July 2013, 17:58 Quote
One thing I find odd/annoying about these reviews is the OC performance charts; it's hardly fair to compare an overclocked card against non-overclocked ones as it gives a false sense of performance. Compare how well all the tested cards do ( or just a selection as is the case now ) when overclocked and it be much more representative of it's overclocked performance....
N17 dizzi 4th July 2013, 20:35 Quote
2 of these vs a single 780 would be good to see
bullseye 4th July 2013, 20:50 Quote
both more than 20 per cent increases that saw the card dominate the £20 dearer GTX 670 2GB


In which graph?
SchizoFrog 4th July 2013, 21:56 Quote
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both more than 20 per cent increases that saw the card dominate the £20 dearer GTX 670 2GB


In which graph?

Um, the ones on the 'Overclocking' pages...
SuicideNeil 5th July 2013, 01:41 Quote
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both more than 20 per cent increases that saw the card dominate the £20 dearer GTX 670 2GB


In which graph?
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Um, the ones on the 'Overclocking' pages...

That's the problem that I just noted- the 760 only beats the 670 when the 760 is overclocked; that is a totally unfair comparison and poor testing.

Compare an overclocked 670 against the overclocked 760 and I imagine the 670 will still beat the it. /logic
SchizoFrog 5th July 2013, 02:34 Quote
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both more than 20 per cent increases that saw the card dominate the £20 dearer GTX 670 2GB


In which graph?
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
Um, the ones on the 'Overclocking' pages...

That's the problem that I just noted- the 760 only beats the 670 when the 760 is overclocked; that is a totally unfair comparison and poor testing.

Compare an overclocked 670 against the overclocked 760 and I imagine the 670 will still beat the it. /logic

How is it an unfair comparison? In the games benchmarks they test a stock 670 as well as other stock cards along side this MSI overclocked but off the shelf 760 so you know exactly where this particular card stacks up against the stock cards of other models. In the separate 'Overclocking' section they test this particular card and see how far the user can further overclock and then test to see where the user overclocked card stands up against the GTX760's closest rival to show the sort of performance you can get. You can't expect BT to test every overclocked model from every manufacturer.
LordPyrinc 5th July 2013, 08:48 Quote
8 pin power connectors? Dang! Looks like I'll be shopping for a new PSU the next time I do a significant GPU upgrade.
SuicideNeil 5th July 2013, 17:41 Quote
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How is it an unfair comparison? In the games benchmarks they test a stock 670 as well as other stock cards along side this MSI overclocked but off the shelf 760 so you know exactly where this particular card stacks up against the stock cards of other models. In the separate 'Overclocking' section they test this particular card and see how far the user can further overclock and then test to see where the user overclocked card stands up against the GTX760's closest rival to show the sort of performance you can get. You can't expect BT to test every overclocked model from every manufacturer.

I'm not talking about factory overclocks, I'm talking about the manual over clocks that they apply during testing; there is not a graph a show the performance of the card on test vs similar cards, both in an ( manually ) overclocked state. Overclocked vs stock & stock vs overclocked is not a fair comparison, simples...
SchizoFrog 6th July 2013, 06:40 Quote
I don't understand your point SuicideNeil. As I understand it the Games tests are with the card at it's off the shelf clocks and is against other cards at their stock performance. The manual overclocks are only tested on the 'overclocking' page. If you are looking for a stock GTX760 test then there is a completely different review using a 'vanilla' card from nVidia tested at stock speeds, but this is a review of what you can get off the shelf from manufacturers that pre overclock and use custom coolers and then has a look at what you may be able to get with a manual overclock on top.
SuicideNeil 6th July 2013, 16:56 Quote
Are you having trouble reading lately, would you like me to use puppets & crayons to get my point across? I can't make my point any clearer...

I am aware which page the over clocked and stock tests are, thankyou, but you need to look at those tests again and you will hopefully see my point; the 760 is manually overclocked and compared to stock speed cards; this is not a fair test. You cannot test a manually overclocked card against a stock one and declare the overclocked one to be better, that is not a fair test. At not point do they test the card on test ( 760 ) against the others, with all of them in an overclocked state- they only test the manually overclocked 760 against stock speed cards ( and also all the cards at stock speeds- which is fair ).

As I already said, twice, I'm not talking about the 760 being overclocked from the factory- that is totally irrelevant & also considered to be stock speed for the purpose of the tests ( since that is how fast it is normally without any manual overclock applied ).

What I would like to see ( besides fuller test results and comparisons ) is the 670 & 760 compared in stock ( which they did ) & manually overclocked ( which they didn't ) states for a fairer comparison of results. They declared the 760 to be better than the 670 based on how much faster the 760 is when overclocked- that is not a fair conclusion, though the 760 is somewhat cheaper than a 670 at present, but that is not the full story...
SchizoFrog 6th July 2013, 17:18 Quote
No need to be insulting. I still disagree. So you want them to manually overclock the MSI GTX760 and then compare it to a manually overclocked GTX670 or GTX770? What would that tell you? That the GTX670 and the GTX770 cards are faster? Of course they are so you learn nothing. By comparing the manually overclocked GTX760 to stock cards you can gain an impression of the increase in performance, relevant to higher end cards. It would mean a lot if even a manually overclocked card would still not match the performance of the higher end cards.
Many people buy these pre overclocked cards and make the assumption that the slight increases are all that the card has to offer. BT is merely pointing out that should you be inclined to manually overclock then you can gain massive performance benefits relative to higher end cards that cost far more. If all you are after is the data of how higher end cards perform in a manually overclocked state then that info is included in their own reviews. I find that there is all the information that I need here and it answers questions that I would have that your test of the GTX760, GTX670 and the GTX770 all with manual overclocks simply would not.
SuicideNeil 6th July 2013, 19:44 Quote
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So you want them to manually overclock the MSI GTX760 and then compare it to a manually overclocked GTX670 or GTX770? What would that tell you? That the GTX670 and the GTX770 cards are faster? Of course they are so you learn nothing.

False. Yes, I know & most other people know that the 670 is faster stock and most likely overclocked too, but by how much is the question- that question really does matter when making bold 'X is better value than Y' statements like the article was.

I also know the overclocked results of all the previously tested cards are in their respective reviews- why then bit-tech didn't bother to include just a few of these overclocked results with each new review is beyond me- laziness perhaps, a massive oversight, or an attempt to mislead so they can draw unfair conclusions? Who knows...

The rest of your post irrelevant as you seem to have strayed away from the point again- anyone who doesn't know that you can manually overclock any gfx card ( software permitting ) probably isn't likely to know the difference between their backside & elbow....
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