bit-tech.net

Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 2GB Review

Comments 26 to 50 of 53

Reply
Harlequin 25th June 2013, 17:52 Quote
I would love a 5870 or gtx 480 to be included my self :D
GeorgeStorm 25th June 2013, 17:59 Quote
I still think older generation cards need to be included, otherwise it's not that helpful for someone looking to upgrade from a card a couple of years old.
Baz 25th June 2013, 18:08 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
My only wish for these sorts of reviews is that you include a couple more lower priced cards to the comparison. You have plenty of cards that are much higher spec that blast this card away but I would rather know less about how many cards are better and more about how much better this card is against it's lower competitors. I mean a GTX780 starts at over £500 and goes up to over 3 times the cost of this card while the GTX650ti ranges from £50 to £75 cheaper... So I would like to know just how much more I am getting if I buy this, not how much better the super expensive cards are.
You covered every single card that is better and more expensive with 6 cards just from nVidia while lower down the scale you have the GTX660ti which is the card being replaced and then just the GTX660 at a lower price point. I hope you see how unbalanced this perspective is.

Thats a fair point, but it's for a reason; those cheaper cards are rubbish and we'd never recommend them. GTX 650 Ti Boost is redundant because it's so close to 660, 7790 is slow and 650 Ti/650/7770/750 are £100 or less low end cards. I have the data to put them in, but chose not to. If you're in the market for a GPU, your choices should start at GTX 660/7850.
Baz 25th June 2013, 18:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
I still think older generation cards need to be included, otherwise it's not that helpful for someone looking to upgrade from a card a couple of years old.

The problem there is where to draw the line, how far back to go? Do we include 560, 570, 580, 480, 470, 465? What about AMD's comparison 6-series? Each card takes 2+ hours to put through our benchmark suite, so add a few more cards and its instantly another day or more of testing.

I think I might add a legacy benchmark; one game that won't be patched or updated, that I can test absolutely every card in to give an idea of long-term comparability. The original Crysis would fit the bill I think.
Spreadie 25th June 2013, 18:21 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
I think I might add a legacy benchmark; one game that won't be patched or updated, that I can test absolutely every card in to give an idea of long-term comparability. The original Crysis would fit the bill I think.
That's an excellent idea. ;)
Harlequin 25th June 2013, 18:25 Quote
Awesome idea baz
t5kcannon 25th June 2013, 18:33 Quote
I've got an old 560Ti, and this might just be a nice upgrade!
pdjblum 25th June 2013, 18:35 Quote
This review was very well done. It is easy to read, very informative, and not too long. Thanks.
t5kcannon 25th June 2013, 18:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
My only wish for these sorts of reviews is that you include a couple more lower priced cards to the comparison. You have plenty of cards that are much higher spec that blast this card away but I would rather know less about how many cards are better and more about how much better this card is against it's lower competitors. I mean a GTX780 starts at over £500 and goes up to over 3 times the cost of this card while the GTX650ti ranges from £50 to £75 cheaper... So I would like to know just how much more I am getting if I buy this, not how much better the super expensive cards are.
You covered every single card that is better and more expensive with 6 cards just from nVidia while lower down the scale you have the GTX660ti which is the card being replaced and then just the GTX660 at a lower price point. I hope you see how unbalanced this perspective is.

Thats a fair point, but it's for a reason; those cheaper cards are rubbish and we'd never recommend them. GTX 650 Ti Boost is redundant because it's so close to 660, 7790 is slow and 650 Ti/650/7770/750 are £100 or less low end cards. I have the data to put them in, but chose not to. If you're in the market for a GPU, your choices should start at GTX 660/7850.

Thing is some of us have older cards, like my 560Ti. Be nice to be able to compare, if not exactly to my card to similar ones.
GeorgeStorm 25th June 2013, 18:57 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
The problem there is where to draw the line, how far back to go? Do we include 560, 570, 580, 480, 470, 465? What about AMD's comparison 6-series? Each card takes 2+ hours to put through our benchmark suite, so add a few more cards and its instantly another day or more of testing.

I think I might add a legacy benchmark; one game that won't be patched or updated, that I can test absolutely every card in to give an idea of long-term comparability. The original Crysis would fit the bill I think.

Oh don't get me wrong, I understand the reasons for not doing it, and I wasn't expecting a whole suite.
But it would be great for something to provide comparison to a couple of older cards :) (as someone with a 570 I keep having to try and find lots of reviews gradually going back to try and get an idea of how new cards compare)
SchizoFrog 25th June 2013, 21:14 Quote
I agree with your conclusion Baz that as a gamer we should start at the level of the GTX660, the problem is that sometimes you journalists take it for granted that everyone is as up to date and familiar with each card's performance, price and it's respective place in the hierarchy as you are. I was just saying that flooding the review with GPU cards that many of us have no possibility of ever owning takes aware from relevant information at the price levels we are looking at. You may believe we should start at the GTX660 and we may totally agree with you, but with articles like this unless we try to do our own article cross-referencing it can be a little hard to understand exactly why.
LennyRhys 25th June 2013, 22:03 Quote
I'm in exactly the same boat as a user of "old gen" hardware - it would be great to find a review of a 6-series Nvidia card that also included 4-series performance figures. I think it's fair to say that most people don't upgrade with every generation, and if you were to test just a couple of cards from two generations past (eg the x80 and x70) it would provide a good comparative basis for those looking to upgrade.

The legacy benchmark sounds like a plan but I assume driver updates would somewhat colour the results. I'd love to see Crysis run on old hardware with the latest drivers vs. the "then" drivers.
John_T 25th June 2013, 22:53 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
I agree with your conclusion Baz that as a gamer we should start at the level of the GTX660, the problem is that sometimes you journalists take it for granted that everyone is as up to date and familiar with each card's performance, price and it's respective place in the hierarchy as you are. I was just saying that flooding the review with GPU cards that many of us have no possibility of ever owning takes aware from relevant information at the price levels we are looking at. You may believe we should start at the GTX660 and we may totally agree with you, but with articles like this unless we try to do our own article cross-referencing it can be a little hard to understand exactly why.

That. Exactly that. That and what GeorgeStorm and LennyRhys said.

I think it's important to remember that people upgrade, they don't 'sidegrade' or downgrade.

What a battery of cards which cost twice as much do in comparison is all very interesting, but in truth, not hugely relevant. What it does compared to a few more powerful cards, a few similar priced cards, a few lower priced cards, and the historically equivalent priced cards from several previous generations is probably of far more use to most of us.

Personally, I'd love to see a 760 compared to a 660, a 560 - and if possible even a 460, (though maybe that is too much work). These are the kinds of cards most people will upgrade to this card from, not a 7870 or a 680...
John_T 25th June 2013, 22:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
I think I might add a legacy benchmark; one game that won't be patched or updated, that I can test absolutely every card in to give an idea of long-term comparability. The original Crysis would fit the bill I think.
That's an excellent idea. ;)

Yes, that really is a really, really good idea! :)
Waynio 26th June 2013, 00:15 Quote
Very impressive for £200.

Not gutted I bought 2 670s for £60 more than the price of 3 of these, I got my timing bad, happens to many now & then.

Oh well. :D
SchizoFrog 26th June 2013, 01:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waynio
Very impressive for £200.

Not gutted I bought 2 670s for £60 more than the price of 3 of these, I got my timing bad, happens to many now & then.

Oh well. :D

Doesn't 3-way SLi have a lot more issues than 2-way? If I am right in my thinking you may have the better set-up any way, although I think I would have have 2 of these (probably ASUS versions when they are released), overclock them if needed and save quite a bit of cash in the process.

I think it is fair enough to say that no one saw these coming out at under £200...
Xir 26th June 2013, 07:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baz
I think I might add a legacy benchmark; one game that won't be patched or updated, that I can test absolutely every card in to give an idea of long-term comparability. The original Crysis would fit the bill I think.

Interesting, we had a large discussion here a couple of months ago as to why Crysis wasn't in the standart test suit anymore.
The Con-part was: it's not played anymore
The Pro-part was: exactly what you write up there, backwards comparability

Current Pricing in Germany is such that the GTX760 is on par with the 7950 Boost Edition at 240€.
The 670 finally moved down to 300€, but alas, so did the 7970
AlienwareAndy 26th June 2013, 12:47 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
Doesn't 3-way SLi have a lot more issues than 2-way? If I am right in my thinking you may have the better set-up any way, although I think I would have have 2 of these (probably ASUS versions when they are released), overclock them if needed and save quite a bit of cash in the process.

I think it is fair enough to say that no one saw these coming out at under £200...

3 way is sometimes worse than 2 way when the drivers get it wrong. And they do, very often.

I've had 8600GT in SLI, 480s and 670s and two way is great. Add more? it turns into a nightmare. I did a sponsored build a couple of years back with a pair of 295s I got for dirt cheap (£120 the pair was pretty much nothing) and whilst they were quite out dated I gave it a go..

My findings were pretty bad. In nearly all games I had to mess around with the drivers as it would disable SLI whenever a new scene was rendered. It was pretty much only any good for benchmarks.

I'm a strong advocate for SLI but only with two cards. Since the 590 Nvidia have really worked hard to keep their drivers working, whilst ignoring the tiny (and rather rich) niche who decide to add more.
toolio20 26th June 2013, 14:47 Quote
Currently the HD 7970 is $300 - I don't know what that is in .lbs, but this price pretty much renders Nvidia's entire lineup moot; the 7950 now sits at $250. Any review calling the 660 the "undisputed" bang for buck card is ridiculous (and don't get me started on the guy going gaga over a 150MHz overclock on the 760 like that's somehow a stellar result).

Nvidia makes nice stuff but I've become quite biased against them as a result of their pricing (typically $100 more than the AMD counterpart) and their total voltage lockdown. While this "new" 760 may appear to compete favorably with a stock 7950 I have my doubts concerning the Nvidia card's ability to maintain parity should both cards be clocked similarly.
SchizoFrog 26th June 2013, 19:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by toolio20
Currently the HD 7970 is $300 - I don't know what that is in .lbs, but this price pretty much renders Nvidia's entire lineup moot; the 7950 now sits at $250. Any review calling the 660 the "undisputed" bang for buck card is ridiculous (and don't get me started on the guy going gaga over a 150MHz overclock on the 760 like that's somehow a stellar result).

Nvidia makes nice stuff but I've become quite biased against them as a result of their pricing (typically $100 more than the AMD counterpart) and their total voltage lockdown. While this "new" 760 may appear to compete favorably with a stock 7950 I have my doubts concerning the Nvidia card's ability to maintain parity should both cards be clocked similarly.

ON Newegg's US website there is one model of the 7970 for $330 then they jump to $370 and above and the 7950 starts at $270, so you are exaggerating a little on both counts. Over here in the UK the 7970 is around £285 and the 7950 is £225 compared to the GTX760 at £200. The test results show that GTX760 comprehensively beats the 7950 which is more expensive and then trades blows with the 7970, a card which is nearly £300, over 40% more expensive at the lowest price points available, at least from Newegg. I think that shows that nVidia pretty much stomps on AMD until they adjust their prices but I can't see a 7970 ever coming in under £200.

After checking, the GTX760 is exactly as stated in this article... $249.99 which is cheaper then both cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130933
teppic 26th June 2013, 19:44 Quote
The review shows that the 7950 beats the 760 in several games, and is more or less the same in the rest, so how is the 760 comprehensively beating it?

The 760 doesn't compete with a 7970.
Joey Propane 26th June 2013, 19:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirty
And a great buy at the price, but most seems to be hovering around £260-280 at the moment.

I bought my EVGA 670 for £265 new pretty much bang on a year ago... I can't remember the last time I owned a GPU that was still selling for pretty much the same price a year later. That makes me happy.:)
SchizoFrog 27th June 2013, 19:10 Quote
Apparently ASUS are going to release a mini version, that should be great for small, high end machines.
holbob 29th June 2013, 10:46 Quote
So it's basically a 760 or 7950 then? Either worth it over a 570?
Shirty 29th June 2013, 11:06 Quote
I noticed the difference from a 560Ti 448 up to a 7950/670 at 1080, they let you ramp the details right up again in more demanding titles like Metro and Crysis 3. As would the 760.
Log in

You are not logged in, please login with your forum account below. If you don't already have an account please register to start contributing.



Discuss in the forums