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Intel Core i7-4770K (Haswell) CPU Review

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Xir 3rd June 2013, 14:35 Quote
Correct, we're niche geeks.

So this one would need Virtu as well, wouldn't it?
forum_user 3rd June 2013, 14:58 Quote
Remember the good ol days when every new batch of CPUs made you reach for the credit cards?

I didn't get that with IB, and I'm not getting it with this Haswell. Is the lack of progress because Intel already wins the CPU wars no matter what they feed us?

What has AMD got further down the line? I read something about their next releases being a bit different from the norm and maybe something to watch out for (may have been a BT article), any ideas?
SchizoFrog 3rd June 2013, 15:06 Quote
Just because we are interested in these things doesn't mean that every one of us can afford them, so please don't make the assumption that every one here is running the latest and greatest of hardware, it just isn't true. I would love to be able to afford to build a new system every couple of years or in even less time while using mid-high end parts when I did so. Unfortunately I have to make do with what I have and when I rebuild (usually after a catastrophic failure) I have to build on a significantly small budget.

It's one of the reasons I hate many of the competitions from publications/websites such as Bit-Tech. Usually the type of comp completely excludes me from partaking and those that go on to win said comps and the highly sort-after prizes are usually modders who already have very high-end systems in the first place. A classic case of those that have, get more, those that don't, watch with envy.
SchizoFrog 3rd June 2013, 15:19 Quote
I think people should not be so critical of Intel. At least they are driving things forward and not tagging along, content with the corner of the market that they have as AMD are. We can't expect a company to improve on all fronts of development all at the same time. People wanted higher performance from higher clock speeds, Intel gave them that. When that clock race peaked, people then moved on to the core wars and again Intel gave people more cores. At this current time there is a massive push for more efficient processors and Intel are improving there. OK, so it you have a SB or IB processor, you may not be interested in upgrading but there is still a massive increase in overall value for someone who is running anything from before either SB or IB processors. The main area people praise AMD is with their on die GPUs but lets not forget they actually bought ATi, a GPU specialist company. Intel, even though they are a giant are not GPU experts as was seen by their attempts at the Larrabee GPU and then their decision to pull out of it. The fact that they are still improving their on die GPU's and are not that far behind is quite surprising to me. This may all not be the improvements you were looking for, but it is the improvements that were most needed at this time.
forum_user 3rd June 2013, 15:49 Quote
SchizoFrog - when you eventually upgrade your parts, you want a great performance boost, right?

That's all we're getting at here. Those that are upgrading from 920's or whatever seem kinda happy , everyone else is like "Where is the temptation to upgrade and spend hundreds on new parts?!".

The fact you can't afford to upgrade every couple years will, or won't, change depending on your circumstances. But the best you can do is strive for that blisteringly fast upgrade when you get that ooportunity - like the rest of us. Wishing for no amazing upgrades in performance because, well, you just aint got the cash for it right now - is kinda bonkers.
SchizoFrog 3rd June 2013, 16:45 Quote
That wasn't what I was saying. I am just saying that a massive raw performance boost wasn't Intel's intention with this processor as it has covered other bases and upgrades, such as efficiency. For generations Intel has provided a 10-15% increase over the last generation and has done once again. I ask why is it so unacceptable this time around? These new CPUs have given a 10-15% performance increase, an increase on the GPU side of things and offer far superior efficiency levels. People seem to be demanding so much from Intel and are never happy with them all the while sitting back and saying 'Ahh, poor AMD, we still love you'.
Freemanator 3rd June 2013, 17:32 Quote
I couldn't find it in the article, so sorry if I missed it, but is socket 1150 compatible with 1155 cooling brackets/coolers, or will you need a new CPU cooler/bracket.
tonyd223 3rd June 2013, 17:32 Quote
Read the review, then read the comments...

So, is this better than my AMD 4200 x2 on socket 939? See, I've been waiting for an upgrade...

Oh, and as for the idiots, isn't it easier to just ignore them? I'm sure every time they get a mention it's like pr0n...
TrevDX 3rd June 2013, 18:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Freemanator
I couldn't find it in the article, so sorry if I missed it, but is socket 1150 compatible with 1155 cooling brackets/coolers, or will you need a new CPU cooler/bracket.

I think as Scan have changed the H100i to cover 1150 as well as all the others and its used in the tests then its a standard intel fixing however its something I'm keen to get confirmed also.
runadumb 3rd June 2013, 18:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Freemanator
I couldn't find it in the article, so sorry if I missed it, but is socket 1150 compatible with 1155 cooling brackets/coolers, or will you need a new CPU cooler/bracket.

I think as Scan have changed the H100i to cover 1150 as well as all the others and its used in the tests then its a standard intel fixing however its something I'm keen to get confirmed also.

+1

Means I can keep my titan and use whatever OEM crap comes with the 4670k on my old (current) 920 for my folks. Well, I hope anyway. Quite a TDP difference there :/
rollo 3rd June 2013, 18:44 Quote
People are more happy to defend AMD as if they go broke as expected intel would have a total monopoly on the CPU market desktop side.

Intel are expected to gain 20% here and there which seems a bit unrealistic.

Software has not evolved in a long time till it does miricles won't happen.
Combatus 3rd June 2013, 19:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Freemanator
I couldn't find it in the article, so sorry if I missed it, but is socket 1150 compatible with 1155 cooling brackets/coolers, or will you need a new CPU cooler/bracket.

I think as Scan have changed the H100i to cover 1150 as well as all the others and its used in the tests then its a standard intel fixing however its something I'm keen to get confirmed also.

Yep - mounting holes are exactly the same and the H100i Corsair sent us ages ago fitted fine
TrevDX 3rd June 2013, 19:32 Quote
Cheers Combatus, thanks for clearing that up.
Nexxo 3rd June 2013, 20:09 Quote
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So your saying if we can only buy low power, integrated GPU and hardware designed for computing on the move that people don't wants the other hardware ?

My point is that its a bit hard to buy something that isn't being made...
It is not the case that you can only buy low power mobile hardware. You can also buy PCs. Yet the sales of those are in decline, while those of mobile hardware are sharply increasing. Guess what: the market shapes itself according to demand.
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You mean the kind of niche geeks that make up the vast majority of people who visit the bit-tech.net forums ?

Yes, I mean the 20.000 or so Bit-Tech members (after subtracting the 50.000 or so blocked spam accounts), compared to the two hundred million or so people who buy Tablets.
Corky42 3rd June 2013, 20:36 Quote
Do point me in the direction of a CPU without integrated GPU or designed for lower power draw then please, im looking to upgrade my SB, and it seems im not the only one.

As my comment was on the bit-tech.net forums i would assume pointing out Haswell has been designed mainly for lower power draw and not enthusiasts would have been the right place, no ?
rollo 3rd June 2013, 20:57 Quote
x79?

ivy in 2011 form is due.

both dont have onboard gpu.
Nexxo 3rd June 2013, 21:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Do point me in the direction of a CPU without integrated GPU or designed for lower power draw then please, im looking to upgrade my SB, and it seems im not the only one.

As my comment was on the bit-tech.net forums i would assume pointing out Haswell has been designed mainly for lower power draw and not enthusiasts would have been the right place, no ?

Absolutely. But you were implying that they were in a response to a questionable market demand ("that we are told people want"). I was merely pointing out that this market demand actually exists.
N17 dizzi 3rd June 2013, 21:49 Quote
As I was the first on the forum to de-lid Ivy, I'll let someone else do Heat-well!

I sincerely hope that the E version does not get pasted, if there is such a chip on it's way.
Having said that, I remember saying the same thing about the 3rd gen...
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Originally Posted by Parge
I'm surprised no one has pointed out the fact that Intel have been creeping up the costs of their i5 CPUs.

The 2500k was $216, this new 4670k is $250.

As well as locking off OCing in the low end parts, they've been pushing up the cost of owning a mid range chip too.

That points to the issue of having no competitor perhaps?
Freemanator 3rd June 2013, 22:48 Quote
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Yep - mounting holes are exactly the same and the H100i Corsair sent us ages ago fitted fine

Thanks. Now as an early adopter of the H50, I need to contact Corsair, to take them up on their 'free' bracket offer.
Corky42 4th June 2013, 01:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Absolutely. But you were implying that they were in a response to a questionable market demand ("that we are told people want"). I was merely pointing out that this market demand actually exists.

I wasn't implying anything , i simply stated a fact "that we are told people want" unless you don't consider sale figures or other information as being told something :?

Being that "Told" is Past tense of tell i don't get what the issue is.
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Do point me in the direction of a CPU without integrated GPU or designed for lower power draw then please, im looking to upgrade my SB, and it seems im not the only one.
Nexxo 4th June 2013, 08:35 Quote
Obviously I just misunderstood you. My bad, no worries. :)
Nexxo 4th June 2013, 09:16 Quote
Spot the deliberate reveal: in the Intel keynote speech at Computed early this morning (GMT speaking), someone shows a prototype fanless Haswell tablet that looks suspiciously like a Surface RT --thin and light, but with a full-fat quad-core Intel CPU. Good times are coming. :)
Corky42 4th June 2013, 09:58 Quote
Nexxo 4th June 2013, 10:04 Quote
Nope, a picture on The Verge Live blog, at 2:27:28 PM CST.
wuyanxu 4th June 2013, 10:12 Quote
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Nope, a picture on The Verge Live blog, at 2:27:28 PM CST.
haha, notice how all of their phone tablets on stage are connected to the power.

Phablets? no thanks. I'll stick with my 3.5 inch smart phone that fits in my pocket. We are at the point more powerful devices won't do much, it'll just suck more power, require bigger battery.
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