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Intel Core i7-4770K (Haswell) CPU Review

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andrew8200m 2nd June 2013, 09:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlphaAngel
@andrew8200m

As a 17 year old, although this is no way your fault, I would guess that you have very little appreciation for what hard work really is as you are either still at school or you have been working in a low end job for a couple of years.

Believe me that isn't hard work, I have 3 degrees (two of which I got whilst working full time at the same time, have learnt 3 languages and started my own business 2 years ago in a foreign country that is now earning me close to £100k a year (I currently have to work from 7.30am - 10.30pm Mon-Fri and 8am to 4pm Sat to make sure everything is done) and I have 2 very young children to look after. When you have done anything close to this by the time you are my age (30) then you can come down off your high horse and talk about hard work.

The guys who write the reviews are probably on deadlines and have a s**t ton of other stuff to do. Unfortunately this time things seem to have piled up and quality may have suffered a little. Yes this may warrant comment but there are ways to do this.

You talk about lack of intelligence and the degradation of the UK, well you are a perfect advert for that with your rude and aggressive manner and your way of talking in absolutes like they are facts, This is a route only taken by fools.

Also, being a white male i'm sure you understand, on a personally experienced level, all about discrimination faced by many people in the UK.

Don't get me wrong, lazy people do exist and yes most people could work harder but to ignore all associated factors and claim most people are lazy and stupid is a bit ironic in it's laziness and stupidity of thought, not to mention arrogant. It sounds like rhetoric repeated straight from the mainstream tabloids.

Now, I suggest that you put down The Sun or The Daily Mail or whatever you use to get your information, learn some manners and social etiquette and be thankful that Mummy and Daddy and your accident of birth in a G10 country have handed you a reletively easy life that you seem to think entitles you to judge others in such a generic and broad fashion.

Edit: Because I just saw your sig

Unless of course you one of the best paid , most intelligent, hardworking 17 year olds around to afford all that stuff in your sig because I assume that with your attitude you don't still live with your mum and dad so you also have to pay rent/mortage (and if you do rent I assume you are intelligent enough to be saving money for a place to live and not wasting it on things like incremental PC upgrades) and bills, transport costs etc because how else would you be in a position to judge others and their work like you do?

Sorry everyone for this rant but I'm sick of seeing this attitude from self-entitled young people because it is usually very hypocrital.

Hello AlphaAngel

I would like to thank you for that post as you understand clearly most points that have been made even if my point of the over exaggeration of how others are has been missed.


17 generations traced, Not 17 years of age. Ive defended the reviews whilst others have picked. I understand fully everything you have said and agree with most of it but to direct that at myself when I was directing it at others and not myself leaves me a little bemused but given you have missed that point I will let it lay.

The attitude displayed was my over exaggeration of those adopted in plain site here. I'm personally sick to death of assumption and instantaneous judgement. Its those two traits that are displayed when the brain doesn't engage on full tap and the end result is as displayed by many and can be explained by the following literal sentence - "well that looks rubbish because I don't understand what has been put in front of me and I'm a little too lazy to sit and work it out so instead I am going to take pick at the hard work of this reviewer for padding a little"

The internet unfortunately is segregated. You have industry's prone to the lazy and those that aren't. For example, most sites explaining technology have the fan boys and other delinquents who for what ever reason believe that A is better than B just because they have it and the other product may have caused problems queue AMD/Nvidia red vs Green. This subjective approach is primitive at best and only the objective amongst us are left shaking our heads in disbelief. The same industry also has those with the inability to interpret data correctly leading to the inevitable "well that's rubbish" and that's where we are left here. Gaming industry and anything that involves internet warriors follow the above trends in some variation or another.

If you look at Car forums dedicated to a certain brand and not a mixture of universal brands then you end up with a bunch of very polite and helpful people where criticism is left at home on the majority of occasions.

What I have done is displayed perfectly what I have to deal with on a daily basis and over exaggerated it on an elevated level.

It well and truly sucks doesn't it!

Bringing back to the edit, I work very hard to pay for everything that I should want or require in my life and provide to the best of my ability for my wife to be. The line of work that I partake in I however shall not disclose but lets just say like the reviewer, comments made by people who don't read between the lines and interpret in a lazy fashion make the hard work far less enjoyable than it should be. Just because the achievement is not theirs should they have the right to scrutiny when reality leads a probability that they themselves could do no better.
urobulos 2nd June 2013, 10:55 Quote
1 I'd love it if all the off-topic posts were purged or moved into a separate thread *said ina Kevin Keegan trembling voice*

2 I'm both disappointed and happy with Haswell. Happy because it looks like my i7 920 will carry me through at least one more year so money saved. Disappointed because it means we are not really pushing software and hardware hard enough. It just seems that we've reached a point where professional uses are the only way to push high end CPU's. Consumers haven't needed that power for a long time now and gamers very rarely get a title which benefits from the CPU power.

3 Although Haswell is somewhat disappointing as a desktop part, it will be interesting to see what it does in ULV incarnations for laptops. I know this is an enthusiast site and it probably hurts many people here, but Intel is selling more laptop than desktop chips now and it shows in their emphasis.

4 Even if I'm not amazed by the jump in performance, if I was building a new rig today, I'd get one of these CPU's without a doubt.
YEHBABY 2nd June 2013, 11:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Elton
What fascinates me are the low voltage versions. 45W for a Quad core @ 2.5Ghz? That's insane!. A few years ago we didn't even have dual cores @ 45w.

This is what makes me interested in the new architecture. I'm interested to see what NAS boxes Synology might make out of these new chips.

A low powered chip capable of transcoding would be a perfect upgrade for me.
Assassin8or 2nd June 2013, 11:10 Quote
Okay, so, the potential for the 1150 platform comes next year with the change to the 14nm process and hopefully a bump in the number of cores to six, or even eight, to more closely match the new games consoles.

That should get us moving in terms of overall CPU die performance, again, as Intel have stalled on this front since they split off increased core counts away from the mainstream platform; leaving the mainstream in quad core land for the last 2.5-5 years depending if you ignore Westmere based upon cost or not.

I'm hoping for Global Foundries, and so AMD, to get 20nm out of the door so that there is a more competitive product landscape in the mainstream segment.
Shirty 2nd June 2013, 11:11 Quote
You know ****'s getting serious when Nexxo rolls up with his trademark red pen.

This comments thread disgusts me and it is exactly the sort of thing that would put someone off from registering here :(

Seriously can't we go back to the good old days of discussion? M0ngy only has an account here to sporadically criticise the editorial team so I'd advise everyone to put him on your ignore list without delay.
TrevDX 2nd June 2013, 11:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by urobulos
2 I'm both disappointed and happy with Haswell. Happy because it looks like my i7 920 will carry me through at least one more year so money saved. Disappointed because it means we are not really pushing software and hardware hard enough. It just seems that we've reached a point where professional uses are the only way to push high end CPU's. Consumers haven't needed that power for a long time now and gamers very rarely get a title which benefits from the CPU power.

In that respect you can only hope that the console markets were holding the PC game market back a bit and that with new consoles on the horizon it might start to be more of a requirement to make the large steps in processing power.

Don't hold your breath on that though ;)
Stanley Tweedle 2nd June 2013, 11:22 Quote
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Yeah, well, whatever. Can people have a disagreement/debate without resorting to nationalist slurs or calling each other racist? That would be grand. Else I might have to swing the banhammer in the interest of international diplomacy and relations for a bit.

Did someone say ban hammer?

What was that music back in the 80's from Ban Hammer... Crocket's theme or something?

I'm just wondering why it is intel have taken to using thermal paste on all their CPUs? I can only surmise perhaps because they think 22nm with great power-saving = chance to save money and use thermal paste instead of solder?

That doesn't make any sense when we're talking about a K processor though does it?

Someone here mentioned it was easy to slice through the black glue and remove the metal cover. That actually sounds quite appealing.
Bloody_Pete 2nd June 2013, 11:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by urobulos
1 I'd love it if all the off-topic posts were purged or moved into a separate thread *said ina Kevin Keegan trembling voice*

2 I'm both disappointed and happy with Haswell. Happy because it looks like my i7 920 will carry me through at least one more year so money saved. Disappointed because it means we are not really pushing software and hardware hard enough. It just seems that we've reached a point where professional uses are the only way to push high end CPU's. Consumers haven't needed that power for a long time now and gamers very rarely get a title which benefits from the CPU power.

3 Although Haswell is somewhat disappointing as a desktop part, it will be interesting to see what it does in ULV incarnations for laptops. I know this is an enthusiast site and it probably hurts many people here, but Intel is selling more laptop than desktop chips now and it shows in their emphasis.

4 Even if I'm not amazed by the jump in performance, if I was building a new rig today, I'd get one of these CPU's without a doubt.

Thats more because quad core is the sweet spot more than anything...
forum_user 2nd June 2013, 11:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy
Hasfail. Hasbeen. Hasnotwell.

I find it utterly hilarious that Haswell is Intel's Bulldozer yet no one wants to admit it because they've been rimming Intel for so long that they daren't call a spade a spade.

I've spent all day reading reviews and I find it almost impossible to believe that Haswell hasn't been slated for what it is. A completely pointless waste of time that commands a new motherboard and possibly a new power supply.

Unbelievable.

This post sums me up too. I got myself excited at the prospect of doing a full upgrade this year. But looking at the charts I see no reason to fork out however many hundreds of pounds on new CPU and mobo from my i5-2500K. I can't remember when I bought my i5 but it feels like such a long time ......
bullseye 2nd June 2013, 11:49 Quote
@andrew8200m

There is no justification for the ignorance and the double standards you have demonstrated.

Being a simple working class peasant, I can understand by looking at the graphs (stock and OC) How people feel they cant justify the expense of upgrading from there current setups for little gain in performance.

The majority of members on bt are enthusiasts so comparing the OC of the chips is valid. getting more umph for your buck is no bad thing especially if money is tight.
G0UDG 2nd June 2013, 11:50 Quote
Looks like my upgrade will be 2011 and not haswell
Nexxo 2nd June 2013, 11:57 Quote
Am I the only one who thinks that the point of Haswell was not processing grunt but power efficiency? So yeah, I would not expect a massive leap in performance, but I would expect a big leap in TDP and power consumption (and correspondingly some new specs for power supplies).

Seriously, why the drama?
Stanley Tweedle 2nd June 2013, 12:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Am I the only one who thinks that the point of Haswell was not processing grunt but power efficiency? So yeah, I would not expect a massive leap in performance, but I would expect a big leap in TDP and power consumption (and correspondingly some new specs for power supplies).

Seriously, why the drama?

Cos we tend to be overclockers and always look for greater gaming performance first. It's probably a blessing in diss guys that the performance gain isn't that great compared to say sandy balls. I built my system last year and the last thing I want is a new mobo. The only thing I might have wanted from Ivy was PCIe 3.0 but that wooden have been much use unless perhaps i was running dual x8 SLI. I determined that I din't like the heat ivy produces and a drop in overclock from 4.9ghz on my 2500k to perhaps 4.7 on ivy or even this new cpu wouldn't be worth it.

I am someone who is still driven by performance over power consumption but I don't think my i5 is too bad even at 4.9ghz because I overclock using offset voltage.

I think it's great that my system still compares well to the latest in terms of performance.
The_Crapman 2nd June 2013, 12:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Am I the only one who thinks that the point of Haswell was not processing grunt but power efficiency? So yeah, I would not expect a massive leap in performance, but I would expect a big leap in TDP and power consumption (and correspondingly some new specs for power supplies).

Seriously, why the drama?
Exactly! This and improved graphics capability. Would love to see how the HD4600 and the Iris 5200 compare against amd's apu lineup.
runadumb 2nd June 2013, 12:38 Quote
The comments on this CPU review...my god! What is wrong with you people? ALL that crap should be deleted.

Anyway, while its hardly blowing doors off I'm still very tempted by Haswell, not this one but the 4670K. Coming from an i7 920 my only reservation is that this will probably be the last year we are using DDR3. So buying a new system that will probably last me 4+ years it is frustrating knowing DDR4 will be out before the tim on my brand new CPU has dried. Such is life.

Benefits to upgrading from i7 920 with things like, power consumption, UEFI bios, 6 SATA 3 ports, PCI express 3 and....speed make it worth the punt I feel.
My biggest hope is fullspeed Dolphin and PCSX2 support :)
Elton 2nd June 2013, 12:57 Quote
What I don't think people are accounting for is that the Mhz wall is revealing itself again. With smaller and denser packages, CPUs tend to generate more heat (there's a ton more transistors) hence why this doesn't overclock as well.

Now what I really want to see? A version of the 4770K or the 4670K with the HD4600 removed. One that's made to be a pure CPU rather than an overclockable APU. That would be a fascinating take.

Why? Because the package is much less dense and thus much less hot. That said, I'm still impressed if only because the stock frequencies are a mile above previous iterations (2-4 generations ago) and that the power consumption is absurdly low. That and the fact that a quad core @2.5Ghz runs at 45w for a desktop processor.

Yes there have been mobile versions that use less power. No they are not faster.
maverik-sg1 2nd June 2013, 13:08 Quote
Disappointed that there's not enough reason to upgrade from my 4.8ghz Sandy Bridge 2500k with a new Haswell CPU/motherboard combo.

Knowing the Ivy Bridge issues and seeing those overclocked temperatures on engineering samples should of given Intel enough reason to go back to the old TIM process (we'd all pay a few dollars more for a cpu that o'clocks better)......... maybe there's a compatability issue with the older process and FINFET dies?

Ahh well, maybe there will be a new stepping in the coming months that fixes these issues?

For the now, I am disappointed....bitterly.
rollo 2nd June 2013, 13:16 Quote
The temps show that we are approaching a wall for Mhz, and we might finally see a 6 core mainstream CPU which can not be a bad thing.

4.8ghz sandy is still going to be 10-15% slower than 4.8ghz haswell. If you live on the bleeding edge 10-15% is still a upgrade. Its just about having an application that actually uses that CPU power.

Most people even on this forum do not use there pcs for an application where they would see noticeable gains. Those that do upgraded to x79 a long time ago and haswell is still slower than any application that could benifit from the speed increase as 6 cores does more in those program's.

Once all games require a quad core then we may see coding for 6 cores and upwards only then will most people feel the need to upgrade.
Nexxo 2nd June 2013, 13:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by runadumb
The comments on this CPU review...my god! What is wrong with you people?

http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=32&pictureid=33413
ch424 2nd June 2013, 13:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Am I the only one who thinks that the point of Haswell was not processing grunt but power efficiency? So yeah, I would not expect a massive leap in performance, but I would expect a big leap in TDP and power consumption (and correspondingly some new specs for power supplies).

Seriously, why the drama?

Because the power efficiency part was disappointing too. TDP has gone up as much as performance. At least, it did in the anandtech and beyond3d reviews - at the same clocks, peak performance/watt is about the same as before, with both power consumption and performance about 10-15% higher.

The idle power has gone down pretty nicely, but again, nowhere near as much as Intel claimed it would. Their marketing slides claimed about 30-50% idle power reduction, when it actually seems to be 20-30%.

This is a forum of enthusiasts, so people who upgrade. It's very hard justifying $200-400 on a CPU just to save 20W.
Parge 2nd June 2013, 13:55 Quote
I just read the comments section. Jeeze you guys.

Anyway, I think the point people are making is that for enthusiasts its something of a step backwards due to the increased heat at the high end of the OC spectrum. This is a bit of a shame, because, lets face it, its a part aimed at overclockers.

For everyone else the increased efficiency at the same clocks and lower TDP will be a welcome sight.
23RO_UK 2nd June 2013, 14:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by forum_user
This post sums me up too. I got myself excited at the prospect of doing a full upgrade this year. But looking at the charts I see no reason to fork out however many hundreds of pounds on new CPU and mobo from my i5-2500K. I can't remember when I bought my i5 but it feels like such a long time ......

My 2600K is now 26 months old :D

I won't be getting rid either ;)

Ps. Combatus is one of the good guys remember...
sub routine 2nd June 2013, 14:14 Quote
m0ngy appears to be out to devalue this place.

I enjoy reading bittech in general and this topic should be one of the bigger points of interest for an enthusiast overclockers site. They have chosen their targets well to put people off coming here.

I for one would be very greatful to see a more stringent moderation of chat because quite frankly it does my head in having to wade through troll and bait to have a decent conversation about things. As I said it does this place no favours.
Meridius 2nd June 2013, 17:23 Quote
Hi All

I own a 750 Lynnfield CPU and wanted to know if it was worth upgrading to a Haswell CPU system.

Would I benefit upgrading my system would I see a big upgrade at the same clock speed

I do alot of desktop and programs work on three 1200 res monitors and sometimes the computer slows down even when transferring files from one hard drive to another it can kill the system.

thanks for any advice
AlphaAngel 2nd June 2013, 18:26 Quote
@andrew8200m

I apologise. I seem to have miss read part of your posts.

I understand your intentions and believe they are in the right place. I also may have over reacted. Maybe I should have just said "please make comments in a more constructive manner". I am aware that here this also applies to me.
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