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Intel Core i7-4770K (Haswell) CPU Review

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John_T 1st June 2013, 20:11 Quote
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LOL, Bit-tech's appalling writing and editing is hilarious. Seriously kids, don't smoke weed when you're attempting to publish online content.

[Waffle, waffle, waffle...]

Are you serious? Is someone proof reading this drivel? I couldn't be bothered editing the rest for you. Someone at the office needs to get their arse into gear else be sacked, because your articles read like a semi-literate high schooler's dog chewed homework.

Unfortunately we had serious time pressure on this one with the samples arriving very late indeed from Intel. Coupled with the fact Harry's been working on the new GeForce launches, he and Ed are now in Taiwan for Computex and I've been on holiday for the last seven days (pre-booked before I even knew the NDA), meant I had a matter of hours to do several day's-worth of testing and write the review. Reading comments like this do feel like a kick in the teeth given the late nights spent getting any kind of article out in time - apologies if it's not up to scratch, we had our reasons, and we'll endeavour to do better in future!

Don't apologise. He may have had a (semi) valid point, on one article, but he put it across in a thoroughly obnoxious and over the top manner. It was totally uncalled for. That degree of hostility and self-regard doesn't deserve an apology.

Oh, and talking of obnoxious:
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You all call yourselves enthusiasts yet your all missing whats infront of you. Another reason why europeans come to the UK to work whilst many people in the UK are happy to say "I dont have a job, the government is helping outsiders and they are taking money from the country". Boils down to being lazy ultimately and not looking at the bigger picture or what perhaps is wrong and can be fixed. Another reason why the UK is doomed.

Any more sweeping generalisations you'd like to make? I mean your story does explain why the UK is such an economic pygmy and the rest of Europe is such a booming success, so thanks for explaining that to us. It must be hard being one of the only intelligent and hardworking people in the country, so thanks for your contribution.


I really don't understand why some people seem to come on the internet with a default setting of 'maximum aggression'. Virtually no-one is rude to me in real life, ever, yet rudeness is almost considered the norm online. What is it about anonymity that flips the switch in some peoples heads? I really don't understand...
John_T 1st June 2013, 20:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by m0ngy
Is someone proof reading this drivel?

Oh, and I meant to say: Proofreading. One word.
springbok82 1st June 2013, 20:23 Quote
Is it worth it to upgrade from X58 on i7 930 to Haswell? I think this question has more relevance?
cdb 1st June 2013, 20:58 Quote
Will these be in the shop next week?

When do the NDAs on the motherboard expire?
Anfield 1st June 2013, 21:42 Quote
Intel has awesome timing as in the place on earth with the most expensive electricity they are hiking prices even further...
Reads http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22729074
CrapBag 1st June 2013, 21:48 Quote
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Oh, and talking of obnoxious:



Any more sweeping generalisations you'd like to make? I mean your story does explain why the UK is such an economic pygmy and the rest of Europe is such a booming success, so thanks for explaining that to us. It must be hard being one of the only intelligent and hardworking people in the country, so thanks for your contribution.


I really don't understand why some people seem to come on the internet with a default setting of 'maximum aggression'. Virtually no-one is rude to me in real life, ever, yet rudeness is almost considered the norm online. What is it about anonymity that flips the switch in some peoples heads? I really don't understand...

Thanks for bringing that up....+1

What the hell Andrews comments has to do with intels latest release is beyond me.

Another marginal increase in performance at the price of increased temps I'd imagine.
bullseye 1st June 2013, 21:51 Quote
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I Another reason why europeans come to the UK to work whilst many people in the UK are happy to say "I dont have a job, the government is helping outsiders and they are taking money from the country". Boils down to being lazy ultimately and not looking at the bigger picture or what perhaps is wrong and can be fixed. Another reason why the UK is doomed.

If that is the case, Then why not ask for a transfer to a position back in your own country. McDonalds have branches all over Europe..
Ivoryspike 1st June 2013, 21:53 Quote
Hmmm... still sitting here with my 920 @ 3.8 dieing to upgrade but not feeling it whatsoever. Perhaps I'll wait for another 'tock'.
andrew8200m 1st June 2013, 22:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by John_T
Don't apologise. He may have had a (semi) valid point, on one article, but he put it across in a thoroughly obnoxious and over the top manner. It was totally uncalled for. That degree of hostility and self-regard doesn't deserve an apology.

Oh, and talking of obnoxious:



Any more sweeping generalisations you'd like to make? I mean your story does explain why the UK is such an economic pygmy and the rest of Europe is such a booming success, so thanks for explaining that to us. It must be hard being one of the only intelligent and hardworking people in the country, so thanks for your contribution.


I really don't understand why some people seem to come on the internet with a default setting of 'maximum aggression'. Virtually no-one is rude to me in real life, ever, yet rudeness is almost considered the norm online. What is it about anonymity that flips the switch in some peoples heads? I really don't understand...

Why? Because I can and although "sweeping" to the point of blatant black and white with zero room for any gradient of grey is all down to the culture of the UK not looking at whats given to them and thinking "well hold on, as these speeds all vary then the tests are all technically incorrect, If I generalize at 5ghz for example and work up scores by a percentage basis I actually come to a value X rather than a value of Y which means that the test subject is actually far better than initially perceived?! Well Ill be dammed! How could I be so blind as to see such correlation?! #rhetoric maybe its because of the nature of the beast and the ultimate reason as to why most of the country is so dammed lazy. Oh #lol!"

Its the inability to rub more than 2 brain cells together that grinds my gears and unfortunately the UK is becoming more and more lazy and ultimately more dense by the day by any intellectual standard.

These guys at bit-tech create the review. It gets picked apart and people say "well isnt it rubbish" and thats all because they havent spent any longer than 2 seconds to process the information and work out whats in front of them for themselves. Its human nature to follow the route of less resistance, perhaps the enthusiast in us should put a little more effort into bending that trend otherwise the industry is simply going to become stagnant in this particular field.
Combatus 1st June 2013, 22:06 Quote
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Will these be in the shop next week?

When do the NDAs on the motherboard expire?

Soon on both counts!
andrew8200m 1st June 2013, 22:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by bullseye
If that is the case, Then why not ask for a transfer to a position back in your own country. McDonalds have branches all over Europe..

Im a white English male 17 traced generations back and probably even more ignoring the french that populated our shores the best part of a thousand years ago. You given by your comment are merely a troglodyte and a probable plague to this country with your complete and utter disregard for equality and evidently a racist.
GeorgeStorm 1st June 2013, 22:07 Quote
People are saying they're unimpressed, which is fair enough, your response seemed way overboard.

There's nothing here which particularly impresses me, maybe when I've had a play tomorrow my mind will be blown, but I don't see why it would be, just slight increases across the board.

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And your most recent post? Wow.
CrapBag 1st June 2013, 22:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by andrew8200m
Im a white English male 17 traced generations back and probably even more ignoring the french that populated our shores the best part of a thousand years ago. You given by your comment are merely a troglodyte and a probable plague to this country with your complete and utter disregard for equality and evidently a racist.

Lol racist when you are completley predudice against benefeit claimants regardless of their situations???????????????

Seriously...play by your own rule book?

...plus I seriously suggest you take a good sniff of what you are shovelling!!!!
andrew8200m 1st June 2013, 22:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
People are saying they're unimpressed, which is fair enough, your response seemed way overboard.

There's nothing here which particularly impresses me, maybe when I've had a play tomorrow my mind will be blown, but I don't see why it would be, just slight increases across the board.

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And your most recent post? Wow.

I agree, on face value it easy to be unimpressed but without looking over the bigger picture and taking a minute to process whats given to them you can only ever be unimpressed.

People go to great lengths to criticise the work of others without concideration for the work that may have been involved in the process.

Generalising with statements as over the top as I have is sometimes required for others to take a moment, to step back and to rethink something. Being racist because someone points out that the country they live in is lazy by standards of old is over stepping it.
Stanley Tweedle 1st June 2013, 22:14 Quote
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I went from X79 to this. Very happy with the results.

Less power use, no shift down in games and a good £1400 in my pocket extra.

Its a good chipset with a good speed bump for those on sandybridge.

What you have all got to understand is that the 2600ks etc were all at 5.0ghz in the review where as this is at 4.7ghz and faster still.

Most are running sandy at 4.8ghz as it was only relrease day that was 5ghz onm almost every chip. These are all 4.7ghz capable so with that in mind the gap will broaden. Also, haswell alows for much high memory speeds. The reviews "ok" but it doesnt reflect on what you actually get and what you actually get is around 15-20% boost over sandybridge if not more if you spend time to get the best out of both systems which ultimate means a good 700mhz extra out of the memory on haswell over SB.


You all call yourselves enthusiasts yet your all missing whats infront of you. Another reason why europeans come to the UK to work whilst many people in the UK are happy to say "I dont have a job, the government is helping outsiders and they are taking money from the country". Boils down to being lazy ultimately and not looking at the bigger picture or what perhaps is wrong and can be fixed. Another reason why the UK is doomed.

It's doomed!!!

D O O M E D ! ! !
GeorgeStorm 1st June 2013, 22:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by andrew8200m
I agree, on face value it easy to be unimpressed but without looking over the bigger picture and taking a minute to process whats given to them you can only ever be unimpressed.

People go to great lengths to criticise the work of others without concideration for the work that may have been involved in the process.

You referring to the work by the intel employees?

Also can you tell me what the bigger picture is, since I'm assuming I'm missing something.
andrew8200m 1st June 2013, 22:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
You referring to the work by the intel employees?

Also can you tell me what the bigger picture is, since I'm assuming I'm missing something.

The work of the reviewer was criticized leaving him to have to explain and apologise because he had been on holiday and because his colleagues had other things to review or are out of the country. Why should he have to apologise and why should the information he provided be picked at for something as small as grammar or "padding"?

The bigger picture is that the asumption of the review is a marginal performance increase which is correct but given that its not on a clock for clock basis the review needs to be looked at a little differently and thought about more on percentage terms of a clock for clock comparison. Only then is the review more accurate for a face value figure. Sometimes information like this cant be provided for reasons such as the haswell sample not clocking the same as previous generations etc so you work with what you have.

In an ideal world the whole review would have been donw with the same memory speeds, the same internal bus speeds and the same overall clock speeds. Its not an ideal world so the best of what could be achieved has been provided. These are as such not like for like comparisons and this is of no fault to bit-tech. Taking what they have provided though and working to a set figure using the percentages required to equal out the scores should a growth on the architecture that the review simply cannot show. Its that very point thats been missed when people say its not enough of a performance bump.

Clock for clock we have only ever had 10-12% improvements. The ability to overclock further is the only thing that set older gens apart, ie the move from Core 2 to i7. Unfortunately moving from a 3.6Ghz Q6600 to an i7 920 at 4,2Ghz is a thing of the past. We have hit a MHz wall so now the only improvements you are going to get is in for form of architecture based.

A 3.5Ghz Q6600 vs a 3.5GHz i7 920 was about a 15% boost. The fact it clocked much better gave the boost to around 30% which is why the world stopped and applauded. Your then looking at around 10-12% boost to sandybridge, the same for Ivybridge and the same again for Haswell. The only difference now is that the clock is the limiting factor. Improvements have always been about the same from an architecture perspective, the MHz perspective however has ran its course.
Nexxo 1st June 2013, 23:43 Quote
Yeah, well, whatever. Can people have a disagreement/debate without resorting to nationalist slurs or calling each other racist? That would be grand. Else I might have to swing the banhammer in the interest of international diplomacy and relations for a bit.
TrevDX 2nd June 2013, 00:56 Quote
Any idea when you'll have the review of i5-4670k? Or is that in the hands of when intel give you the review chip? i7 is not really worth the extra cash for me in a strictly gaming/browsing rig :(
Elton 2nd June 2013, 01:04 Quote
What fascinates me are the low voltage versions. 45W for a Quad core @ 2.5Ghz? That's insane!. A few years ago we didn't even have dual cores @ 45w.

That said, the improvements seem to range about 20% across the board. The gaming tests are a bit harder to quantify due to the high resolution of the test. Clock for clock it's about a 20% improvement from Sandybridge. Which combined with faster RAM and a generally lower power consumption and an upgrade from Nehalem is entirely justifiable. In fact even from Lynnfield it's very justifiable.

With this in mind though, the 20% increase isn't as massive because the numbers are gigantic in the first place. Is it worth the money? To me, from a Sandy Bridge owner's perspective. I can't justify it even though there's a clear 35-40% IPC increase. Why? Mainly because I don't see the limitations yet. And by the time I do upgrade, I'll be changing out a rather large amount of things aside from what I have.

It's actually not disappointing given the consistency with which intel has released these things. At the steady rate of 15-30% IPC increase a year they've managed to eclipse AMD entirely. And yes, resource differences in RnD aside, it's still impressive given that they make no excuses. They just chug along. You'd think they'd run into a wall. But no.

Basically, if you haven't grabbed an LGA1155 chipset and processor. The 4670k is worth the pennies you'll pay. Couple it with some rather cheap Samsung DDR3 1333 (can be clocked to 2133) RAM. And you'll have a monster of a machine.
Bloody_Pete 2nd June 2013, 01:07 Quote
What everyone needs to remember is, although there are K class CPU's that can OC, we are not the target for CPU sales any more, so we'll never see dramatic performance upgrades again. No surprise really.
The_Crapman 2nd June 2013, 02:10 Quote
Wtf has been going on here!? I spend all day in the sun with a hangover after celebrating both me and my girlfriend getting new jobs, cooking half a cow on the hottest bbq of all time for my dads birthday, come back home to find a surprise review. Great, glorious, fantastic and then drivel. Muck even a pig would turn his nose up at splashed across the comments pages.

If you want to be a dick, there are plenty of other forums out there that will welcome you with open knives. The OCUK forums had some particularly lovely people when i was last there. Maybe they have some goats for you to feed your trolling hunger.

Discuss matters at hand, debate differences in opinions, but don't be a dick. It's just a waste of oxygen.
AlienwareAndy 2nd June 2013, 02:41 Quote
Hasfail. Hasbeen. Hasnotwell.

I find it utterly hilarious that Haswell is Intel's Bulldozer yet no one wants to admit it because they've been rimming Intel for so long that they daren't call a spade a spade.

I've spent all day reading reviews and I find it almost impossible to believe that Haswell hasn't been slated for what it is. A completely pointless waste of time that commands a new motherboard and possibly a new power supply.

Unbelievable.
Bindibadgi 2nd June 2013, 02:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
Yeah, well, whatever. Can people have a disagreement/debate without resorting to nationalist slurs or calling each other racist? That would be grand. Else I might have to swing the banhammer in the interest of international diplomacy and relations for a bit.

Did someone say ban hammer?

AlphaAngel 2nd June 2013, 04:38 Quote
@andrew8200m

As a 17 year old, although this is no way your fault, I would guess that you have very little appreciation for what hard work really is as you are either still at school or you have been working in a low end job for a couple of years.

Believe me that isn't hard work, I have 3 degrees (two of which I got whilst working full time at the same time, have learnt 3 languages and started my own business 2 years ago in a foreign country that is now earning me close to £100k a year (I currently have to work from 7.30am - 10.30pm Mon-Fri and 8am to 4pm Sat to make sure everything is done) and I have 2 very young children to look after. When you have done anything close to this by the time you are my age (30) then you can come down off your high horse and talk about hard work.

The guys who write the reviews are probably on deadlines and have a s**t ton of other stuff to do. Unfortunately this time things seem to have piled up and quality may have suffered a little. Yes this may warrant comment but there are ways to do this.

You talk about lack of intelligence and the degradation of the UK, well you are a perfect advert for that with your rude and aggressive manner and your way of talking in absolutes like they are facts, This is a route only taken by fools.

Also, being a white male i'm sure you understand, on a personally experienced level, all about discrimination faced by many people in the UK.

Don't get me wrong, lazy people do exist and yes most people could work harder but to ignore all associated factors and claim most people are lazy and stupid is a bit ironic in it's laziness and stupidity of thought, not to mention arrogant. It sounds like rhetoric repeated straight from the mainstream tabloids.

Now, I suggest that you put down The Sun or The Daily Mail or whatever you use to get your information, learn some manners and social etiquette and be thankful that Mummy and Daddy and your accident of birth in a G10 country have handed you a reletively easy life that you seem to think entitles you to judge others in such a generic and broad fashion.

Edit: Because I just saw your sig

Unless of course you one of the best paid , most intelligent, hardworking 17 year olds around to afford all that stuff in your sig because I assume that with your attitude you don't still live with your mum and dad so you also have to pay rent/mortage (and if you do rent I assume you are intelligent enough to be saving money for a place to live and not wasting it on things like incremental PC upgrades) and bills, transport costs etc because how else would you be in a position to judge others and their work like you do?

Sorry everyone for this rant but I'm sick of seeing this attitude from self-entitled young people because it is usually very hypocrital.
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