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Originally Posted by Jimbobthere are very many good reasons to stick with the on-board sound.
Originally Posted by imparGreetings!
You also suggest a decent speaker system or headphones?
Because whithout those the investment on a sound card is weird, with those the investment doesnt justify for the large majority of users.
Originally Posted by JimbobI'm sorry but you are being a dick, I could pick points out for why you are wrong on so many levels but frankly I can't be arsed. There is a difference between enjoying quality audio and acting like a douche "I've even been accused of being an audiophile which is true" there are certainly good reasons for fitting a decent sound card but likewise there are very many good reasons to stick with the on-board sound.
Originally Posted by true_gamerAll I can say is, I never experienced these problems. Problems like that can be down installing Windows on an unstable OC, or installing Drivers on a unstable OC. Installing drivers on top of drivers without completely wiping the original, and so driver conflict can occur etc. etc..
I can also go on...
About the "disappearing sound and devices" issue, which is usually related to SSDs, this is a driver design issue.
The issue occurs because SSDs are so fast that the driver doesn not load properly.
The original Emu10k1 driver had a single .SYS driver, so this way it would not be an issue these days.
However, somewhere in 2003, Creative fragmented the driver into a set of service drivers:
- commonfx.sys -> Creative Common FX Plug-in
- ctaud2k.sys -> WDM Audio driver, exposes mixer and interfaces to Windows
- ctaudfx.sys -> SB Fx plug-in for Audigy series
- ctdvda2k.sys -> DVD Audio decoder
- ctoss2k.sys -> OS Services, memory management (allocation, buffering, addressing)
- ctprxy2k.sys -> Proxy, exposes driver interface to user control
- ctsblfx.sys -> SB Fx Plug-in for Live! series
- ctsfm2k.sys -> SoundFont Manager
- ctusfsyn.sys -> Software SoundFont Synthesizer
- emupia2k.sys -> Emu Plug-in Architecture
- ha10kx2k.sys -> EMU10KX HAL, provides access to DSP
- hap16v2k.sys -> EMU10KX-P16v HAL, provides access to add-on audio controller (Audigy 2 -> Audigy 4)
- hap17v2k.sys -> EMU10KX-P17v HAL, provides access to add-on audio controller (Audigy 2 Value)
- ctp????w.dat -> WDM database required during driver loading, containing supported driver features and supported mixer input and outputs
- ctp????v.dat -> Vista and later OS database required during driver loading, containing supported driver features and supported mixer input and outputs
As you can see is quite complex and time critical.
If something goes wrong during loading and/or some of these drivers/database are not loaded at the proper time, you might experience all sort of issues.
To fix it, Creative would need to rewrite the driver as a single binary .SYS file, plus the database, which would be the best solution.
Or find a way to introduce some delay during driver loading so that all required service drivers are properly loaded and available to each other.
IMHO, this is VERY UNLIKELY to happen, as EMU based DSP cards are being phasing out in favor of Recon3D DSP, which is really a shame as it is a poor DSP (which is isn't, actually).
Originally Posted by Corky42No you cant go on :(, as it is known what causes these problems.
Originally Posted by daniel_k
Originally Posted by true_gamerI'm sorry, but if these problems were so big and everyone was experiencing them, then surely trading standards would be involved?
I have had the X-FI Titanium Pro Drivers installed on 3 different SSD's with no issues (Over a period of time, including on C300 in Raid 0, Vertex 3 etc.)
You can't tell me that the SSD is too fast to load the drivers...There has to be more to the guys problem, like something so simple as a lost packet when downloading the drivers...
Originally Posted by m0ngyI was being a bit of a dick, but I'm still right. Like B1GBUD said, there's no good reason (besides poverty, which is totally legit) for not getting a decent soundcard for you gaming/multimedia PC...
...Why? Because the difference between a decent sound card and on-board is huge. To suggest otherwise is to admit your lack of appreciation for music and to utterly reject the dynamism of modern gaming experience.
Originally Posted by Corky42The old it isn't happening to me so it isn't a problem, good one.
Almost as good a saying its a lost packet when downloading :(
Originally Posted by blackworxUnless you're talking exclusively about the relative SQ of analogue outputs (and why would you do that?) then you're just wrong.
I wouldn't go so far as to dismiss out of hand the use of decent consumer grade sound cards, as I don't actually know how good they are. I'll tell you one thing though: they'd have to be helluva good to even come close.
I've never used a digital output
They are a helluva lot better
Originally Posted by m0ngyHave you ever owned a decent sound card? The difference between your Realtek on-board and something like a Xonar Essence is immediately noticeable and quite dramatic. Good speakers are important, but will only replicate the quality of the source signal. By the way, what bit rate do you rip your music at? Let me guess...
Originally Posted by m0ngy I love indie lo-fi, like Smog and Will Oldham, with their sparse arrangements and minimalist production, but I'll be damned if I'll listen in low res.
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