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faugusztin 5th September 2012, 10:20 Quote
Just a small typo on page 1 : "dinky little onboard 108.11 b/g/n card " - should be 802.11 i think :D.

And the CPU location on the ASRock board is actually the norm for Sandy/Ivy Bridge ITX boards, ASUS P8Z77-I and the upcoming EVGA Z77 ITX boards are the exception.
CampGareth 5th September 2012, 10:41 Quote
How tall is that VRM board compared to the rear I/O ports because I'm looking to build a computer that's in the old under-monitor style. As such I require a wide, deep but particularly short system. The closer to the three centimetres required of a dual slot GPU the better.
faugusztin 5th September 2012, 10:55 Quote
+/- same height, maybe a milimeter difference give or take - http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/336842_10151087056731827_902660431_o.jpg .
Bindibadgi 5th September 2012, 11:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by CampGareth
How tall is that VRM board compared to the rear I/O ports because I'm looking to build a computer that's in the old under-monitor style. As such I require a wide, deep but particularly short system. The closer to the three centimetres required of a dual slot GPU the better.

P8Z77-I? Practically the same height. It fits within the standard intel heatsink 'keep-out' area and mini-ITX spec.
CampGareth 5th September 2012, 11:42 Quote
Thanks for the replies, though that does look a bit tall as does the ASRock with that back panel audio section. Oh well, let the googling commence!
blacko 5th September 2012, 11:49 Quote
one issue ive got with the Z77I is if i fit it to my Lian Li PCQ25. The daughter board covers at least a half of the exhaust fan. from a design pov i would have put the daughter board at the bottom of the board just above the PCIE slot rather than at the top.
Bindibadgi 5th September 2012, 12:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by blacko
one issue ive got with the Z77I is if i fit it to my Lian Li PCQ25. The daughter board covers at least a half of the exhaust fan. from a design pov i would have put the daughter board at the bottom of the board just above the PCIE slot rather than at the top.

That would almost definitely infringe on the CPU socket keep-out area though :/ That's why the Z77 heatsink has to be so flat.
Paradigm Shifter 5th September 2012, 12:05 Quote
The Asus board looks like it could be fun. The layout of the Asrock is crazy, though... I understand the limitations and difficulties on laying out a full featured ITX board, but SATA ports just there?
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 12:27 Quote
I do not see any issue with the Asrock SATA for DIY or well thought cases :D. better on the edge of the board than just above the PCIe like on the Asus one (just like the USB headers too), easier to hide those fugly cables.

I really think it's easier to route and hide cables with the Asrock than with the Asus. Plus, here in France, it is 149€ vs 205€ ... the choice is easily made.
faugusztin 5th September 2012, 12:41 Quote
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That would almost definitely infringe on the CPU socket keep-out area though :/ That's why the Z77 heatsink has to be so flat.

Actually, the biggest issue with P8Z77-I Deluxe is... The PCI-E socket release thingy in cases like Lian Li PC-Q08. You can't access it from bellow - it is the bottom of the case. You can't access it from the top - it is not the push down, but the push from the side lock, and unfortunately it is from the other side. You can't access it from the side - the card is in the way. In pictures :
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7972/incase.jpg

Good luck removing the graphics card without removing the whole board at the same time :D.

@blacko: If PC-Q25 is not that much smaller compared to PC-Q08, then i think the top cooler got plenty of breathing space above the VRM board, see the picture above again.
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 12:47 Quote
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What it the CPU heatsink you are using ?
damien c 5th September 2012, 12:48 Quote
Thank's for the shoot out as I am thinking of building a small media pc, that is also capable of playing any game out there for lans using the Bit-Fenix Prodigy case fully watercooled because, of the massive amount of space available for radiators.
faugusztin 5th September 2012, 12:50 Quote
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What it the CPU heatsink you are using ?

Noctua NH-L12. And no, it won't fit on the ASRock board with a graphics card.
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 13:10 Quote
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Noctua NH-L12. And no, it won't fit on the ASRock board with a graphics card.

What cpu are you using and what are the temp ? I'm considering a Lian Li PC-Q08 :D
blacko 5th September 2012, 13:19 Quote
@GuilleAcoustic - this isn't my system but if you check out the location of the top fan and the mobo you'll see my issue.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQI-S0LQ6uwTrj2PAbh3pKPU5nkCcY86e1N-2mkoTjvdqCWFF7irg&t=1
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 13:33 Quote
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@GuilleAcoustic - this isn't my system but if you check out the location of the top fan and the mobo you'll see my issue.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQI-S0LQ6uwTrj2PAbh3pKPU5nkCcY86e1N-2mkoTjvdqCWFF7irg&t=1

I'm not a fan of this Asus. The chipset position is nice, but the SATA + USB header would be better on the edge of the board. The VRM daughter board is a nice feature, but involves issues with top fans on very small cases, which are not aimed at overclocking (so no use of that VRM board :D).
iajo 5th September 2012, 13:34 Quote
If i was looking to stick a 3570k 4-4.2ghz oc in a bitfenix prodigy with a 7950 and ssd am i going to run in to cooling issues? Dont particularly want to watercool the lot, could get a h80/h100 for cpu if air isnt substantial enough. Also with no drive cages i believe a 200mm fan fits the front of the case so i would think airflow would be decent.

Really hope we get more choice in this form factor soon particularly with mobos.
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 13:41 Quote
Too bad that DTX and mDTX aren't available for consumers.
faugusztin 5th September 2012, 13:42 Quote
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What cpu are you using and what are the temp ? I'm considering a Lian Li PC-Q08 :D

i5-3570K at stock. Temps... It really depends with what settings. But let's do this for now with all system fans at 100% - that means 1800RPM for the 9.2cm CPU fan, 1500RPM for the 12cm CPU fan and max speeds for the 12cm and 14cm Air Penetrators i use as outtakes from the system (there is no intake in my system, air comes through the holes in bottom and back.

With these settings CPU idles at 32C according to the ASUS tools, 30-33C according to Speedfan. GPU is at 36C, ambient temp is around 25C.

OCCT, Large Data Set, after 3 minutes it is at 53-55C with the CPU and stays there. The primary issue is the heat the GPU can make when gaming, but that really depends on your use-case scenario. My GTX570 heats like crazy and dumps all heat in the case, so that is the wost case possible.
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If i was looking to stick a 3570k 4-4.2ghz oc in a bitfenix prodigy with a 7950 and ssd am i going to run in to cooling issues? Dont particularly want to watercool the lot, could get a h80/h100 for cpu if air isnt substantial enough. Also with no drive cages i believe a 200mm fan fits the front of the case so i would think airflow would be decent.

The top of the case is open, there are holes on one of the side panels. I don't think you can run in cooling issues in Prodigy.
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Too bad that DTX and mDTX aren't available for consumers.

mini DTX ? There is one Zotac Atom board, but mDTX is pretty much pointless. You get two PCI-E slots, one of them will be blocked by the dual slot card in the most cases anyway. So what is the point :D.
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 13:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
My GTX570 heats like crazy and dumps all heat in the case, so that is the wost case possible.

I have an HD5870 with a 92mm blower (Asus EAH5870 V2) ... to it would help keeping the hot air outside the case :D
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mini DTX ? There is one Zotac Atom board, but mDTX is pretty much pointless. You get two PCI-E slots, one of them will be blocked by the dual slot card in the most cases anyway. So what is the point :D.

I was thinking about something like the ECS B75H2-D

http://hardware.hdblog.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ecs_1.jpg

It allows for a GPU plus PCIe-1x board (sound card, wifi, etc.)

Or something like the Shuttle X79 2x PCIe-16x mobo

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Shuttle-Shows-Powerful-X79-and-Z77-Barebones-3.jpg

2x watercooled GPU or 2x single slot GPU (like FirePro V7800 / V7800P / V7900). Is addition it has space for an mSATA + mPCIe slot, and better IHS compatibility due to wider card (24cm i/o 17cm)
faugusztin 5th September 2012, 14:11 Quote
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I have an HD5870 with a 92mm blower (Asus EAH5870 V2) ... to it would help keeping the hot air outside the case :D

That should be better suited for this case then. I used the GTX570 Phantom because i already had it :D.

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I was thinking about something like the ECS B75H2-D

Those boards are horrific. Plus what is the point of such boards, when you have no case to use them ?
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 14:20 Quote
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Those boards are horrific. Plus what is the point of such boards, when you have no case to use them ?

Custom built workstation case with dual single slot workstation card ^^. Power efficient, powerfull and very small workstation.

EDIT : Aestetic is fugly, but this is an interesting layout.
faugusztin 5th September 2012, 14:28 Quote
If you want a Shuttle, get a Shuttle, no ? And that ECS B75H2-D is horrific, in layout sense :
1) the PCI-E x16 slot is secondary, that means your graphics card will be pushed next to the side panel and you are unable to put any dual slot card there.
2) a long PCI-E card will probably block the SATA ports, so you will be able to use only one.
3) most front panel connectors will be covered by the long graphics card.

And by the way, the reason you can't get that ECS board is simple - ECS is long gone from European market. But you could find those boards easily on the Asian market once they start selling them.
GuilleAcoustic 5th September 2012, 14:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
If you want a Shuttle, get a Shuttle, no ? And that ECS B75H2-D is horrific, in layout sense :
1) the PCI-E x16 slot is secondary, that means your graphics card will be pushed next to the side panel and you are unable to put any dual slot card there.
2) a long PCI-E card will probably block the SATA ports, so you will be able to use only one.
3) most front panel connectors will be covered by the long graphics card.

And by the way, the reason you can't get that ECS board is simple - ECS is long gone from European market. But you could find those boards easily on the Asian market once they start selling them.

That was just an example :). The idea behind the DTX, even if you can use only 1 PCIe connector, is that you have more space for components like chipset or VRM. Since the form factor exists; it would be nice to see it available. I'm aware that it's even more a niche market than ITX :D, but for an enthousiast it's a must have ;).

An mDTX mobo would allow both an high-end sound card + a sat card to fit (XMBC box here I am :)). I'm not only focused on GAMING use (meaning a big cpu + a big gpu), computing is not only about gaming :p

EDIT : Shuttle cases and psu are horrible
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