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Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Review

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ssj12 17th August 2012, 03:52 Quote
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The limited memory interface means even at LOL clocks, it wont be as fast as 670, so for £40 you get about 10% extra performance. Worth it? Sure, if you've got £300 to spend!

Still think its a shame it wasn't a little less powerful and £200, but Nvidia's still positioned it well I think. Clearly everyone this gen wants you to spend lots, because bar the 7850 2GB, there's bugger all in the <£200 segment other than last generation's left overs.

That's the point though.

What used to be the very luvcrative Mid Range £100 price point turne into the £150 point and is now the £250 point.

Balls to this.

when the world's currency is becoming worthless, prices go up. Inflation at its finest.
DbD 17th August 2012, 11:39 Quote
Far too expensive. The whole nvidia range has been shifted up a price bracket from previous gen considering the 670/680 are basically the same size/board size as a 560, and the 660 is a 550, and the real 580 replacement is still awol.
faugusztin 17th August 2012, 11:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by DbD
Far too expensive. The whole nvidia range has been shifted up a price bracket from previous gen considering the 670/680 are basically the same size/board size as a 560, and the 660 is a 550, and the real 580 replacement is still awol.

You gotta love these optimist types, who still think we will see GK110 in consumper products in 2012. Maybe in 2013 or never.
Harlequin 17th August 2012, 12:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by DbD
Far too expensive. The whole nvidia range has been shifted up a price bracket from previous gen considering the 670/680 are basically the same size/board size as a 560, and the 660 is a 550, and the real 580 replacement is still awol.

so you want a 3 foot long of super bitchin power to be a real replacement of the gtx 580 then huh?

http://www.lamerkatz.com/stories/images/bitchin.jpg

there ya go
SexyHyde 17th August 2012, 12:36 Quote
absolutely ecstatic about the price. Just makes my GTX670 OC on a reference 680 board with the extra power phase all the more sweeter as it cost me just over £300. So glad I didn't wait for this. I think the scores a bit high tho due to the high price.
do_it_anyway 17th August 2012, 12:45 Quote
Having thought about this, and woken up with a different head on to my initial "WTF pricing!!!" head, I now feel slightly differently.

We are thinking this is a mid range card and should be priced as a mid range card. i.e. £150-200.

HOWEVER, Nvidia are not thinking "mid range", they are thinking "what is this closest too in terms of performance, and we will price it accordingly".
So, while I am the first to jump on the green corners back because of the high price, they are releasing something that is somewhat better than the 7950, for the same or less than the 7950.
So if anything, we could blame AMD for their pricing. They put their mid to upper card at £250. Nvidia followed suit.

All in all though, I just don't see this as value. You are paying ~£35 more for a 670. And that, in percentage terms in only about 12% or 13%.
At the higher end you expect diminishing returns, but not in this case. 12% more, for ~12% more performance. And better longevitity.
People who are prepared to drop £250 on a GPU will be prepared to drop £280 on a GPU.

So what of the people who won't spend over £200? But want latest tech?
They will buy AMD.
So....pointless release Nvidia. I can understand your pricing, I don't think its overpriced compared to whats around. I just think its pointless. You aren't tapping into a different part of the market, just muddying the waters of an already saturated area of the market.

How long until the real mid range card? The 650Ti?
law99 17th August 2012, 14:21 Quote
7870 looks v.appealing to me now actually. If the playing field remains unchanged after my holiday, it will get my purchase providing no price drop occurs on the 660 ti or 580.
adam_bagpuss 17th August 2012, 14:33 Quote
the 7870 is around £220 when a 660Ti which is £240. For an extra £20 your getting something that is noticeably better (5-15%) and in some games BF3 smashes it (25%+ better on max settings @1920x1200). for £20 id take that.
Baz 17th August 2012, 15:13 Quote
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the 7870 is around £220 when a 660Ti which is £240. For an extra £20 your getting something that is noticeably better (5-15%) and in some games BF3 smashes it (25%+ better on max settings @1920x1200). for £20 id take that.

/concur.

They're at diff price points, which is Nvidia's problem; not everyone can, or wants to spend £250 on a card, regardless of performance. If you can afford it, head to head, you'd chose the 660 Ti.
law99 17th August 2012, 15:32 Quote
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=647

games I care about the difference is minimal
Action_Parsnip 17th August 2012, 18:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by DbD
Far too expensive. The whole nvidia range has been shifted up a price bracket from previous gen considering the 670/680 are basically the same size/board size as a 560, and the 660 is a 550, and the real 580 replacement is still awol.

You gotta love these optimist types, who still think we will see GK110 in consumper products in 2012. Maybe in 2013 or never.

Exactly. Everything Nvidia has done so far indicates that GK110 will never become a consumer card. I mean think of it this way: where would the return be in writing a DirectX driver suite for it? In what way would it be worthwhile for them to do so? It's OpenGL for the workstation, OpenCL and CUDA for compute tasks. Why bother going to extra expense for something you won't make as much return on as selling to the professional market for?
xxxsonic1971 17th August 2012, 18:30 Quote
greedy gits!
faugusztin 17th August 2012, 20:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Action_Parsnip
Exactly. Everything Nvidia has done so far indicates that GK110 will never become a consumer card. I mean think of it this way: where would the return be in writing a DirectX driver suite for it? In what way would it be worthwhile for them to do so? It's OpenGL for the workstation, OpenCL and CUDA for compute tasks. Why bother going to extra expense for something you won't make as much return on as selling to the professional market for?

Or in shorter form :
Why would NVIDIA sell the hard to produce GK110 for 600€ as a consumer product (GeForce) when they can sell it as a computing card (Tesla) for 2000€+ ? :D
Elton 17th August 2012, 20:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
Or in shorter form :
Why would NVIDIA sell the hard to produce GK110 for 600€ as a consumer product (GeForce) when they can sell it as a computing card (Tesla) for 2000€+ ? :D

This is pretty much the reasoning of theirs. But if they ever do release it, it'll be the GTX7xx series.
docodine 18th August 2012, 02:59 Quote
I love the size of the Zotac card
ssj12 18th August 2012, 02:59 Quote
Im guessing that next gen will be when my GTX480 will be behind the mid-range cards, it seems.
ModaRobby 19th August 2012, 21:14 Quote
I understand this card is a 6xx series but why not include the 560 Ti since it is one of the best budget cards on the market and it's one that a lot of us may still own.

Little bit of disappointment there.

Great review as usual though. Bit-Tech > All
Spreadie 19th August 2012, 21:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by ssj12
Im guessing that next gen will be when my GTX480 will be behind the mid-range cards, it seems.
That could be as soon as the 650 launches. It all depends on how much NV cripple it.
ObsCure 20th August 2012, 01:23 Quote
"More of the same in Batman: Arkham City, where a £200 Radeon HD 7870 2GB outpaces both overclocked 660 Tis."

"As we noted in our original review, the GTX 660 Ti's memory/ROP deficit is highlighted in Aliens vs. Predator. This game thrives on gobs of meaty bandwidth, which the competing Radeons have in spades."

"Battlefield 3, set to Ultra quality, is generally playable at a 1080p resolution. Go higher - and we're thinking of three screens here - and a single GTX 660 Ti board won't cut it."

"Crysis 2 may not have lived up to the expectations set by its predecessor, but with the DX11 patch and high-res textures, it's a gorgeous-looking game. Effortlessly smooth at 1,920x1,080 but rather sticky at 2,560x1,600, GeForces have the upper hand on Radeons here."

"Benchmarking DiRT: Showdown with all the bells and whistles on leads to one clear winner: Radeons. A Radeon HD 7870, benched at 2,560x1,600, is almost as fast as the EVGA at 1,920x1,080. Horses for courses and GPUs for games, eh?"

"We've increased the visual quality for Just Cause 2. Even so, modern cards chew through it with relish. EVGA's performance is solid here."

"Another solid showing in Total War: Shogun 2. EVGA's card easily outpaces the competing Radeon HD 7870 and even beats out a more-expensive Radeon HD 7950."

"The performance available from GeForce and Radeon graphics cards can vary wildly between games, and the same is true in other computing scenarios. We've added the increasingly-popular LuxMark benchmark to our suite to compare the GPGPU capabilities of each graphics card, and the Radeons are clear winners in this regard.

NVIDIA Kepler-derived cards make hard work of this OpenCL-based test. A Radeon HD 7870 is up to 3x as fast as the GeForce GTX 660 Ti."

Not as clear cut IRL..

Also, where are the gtx 580 results? These are going for about £200 used on ebay :D
ObsCure 20th August 2012, 03:34 Quote
Do Not Track, have you heard of it?

Also, the HD 7870 review had graphs for:


AMD Radeon HD 6990 4GB
AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB
AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 590 3GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB
AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 6970 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 570 1280MB
AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 6950 1GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB
AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 1GB
AMD Radeon HD 7770 1GB
AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB
AMD Radeon HD 5770 1GB
AMD Radeon HD 7750 1GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB

GTX 660 Ti:

Nvidia GeForce GTX 690 4GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 680 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB GHz Edition
Nvidia GeForce GTX 670 2GB
MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Power Edition
Zotac GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB amp! Editon
AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB
Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB with Boost
AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB
AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB

Also notice arma2 is gone from the benchs.
faugusztin 20th August 2012, 09:05 Quote
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Do Not Track, have you heard of it?

1. totally offtopic.
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Currently, websites are not legally-required to comply with do not track requests, neither by law, nor by broad social consensus, and therefore, very few websites recognize and respect this privacy signal.
3. Do Not Track is pretty much US specific thing (hell, it even came out as a result of people complaining to FTC in US), so even if US makes it a law, it is absolutely irrelevant for a UK website like bit-tech.
Spreadie 20th August 2012, 10:41 Quote
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Can't be bothered.
DbD 20th August 2012, 11:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Action_Parsnip
Exactly. Everything Nvidia has done so far indicates that GK110 will never become a consumer card. I mean think of it this way: where would the return be in writing a DirectX driver suite for it? In what way would it be worthwhile for them to do so? It's OpenGL for the workstation, OpenCL and CUDA for compute tasks. Why bother going to extra expense for something you won't make as much return on as selling to the professional market for?

They why did 480 become a consumer card - it's the same huge heavy cuda monster, same die size/power consumption/memory bus as GK110?

I'll answer - because ATI provided some decent competition, currently nvidia's mid range chip is fast enough to compete with everything ATI produce so they haven't bothered with anything bigger, just used the mid range kepler, upped the prices and raked in the money.
Shirty 20th August 2012, 11:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spreadie
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Can't be bothered.

I enjoyed the original post far more :D
[USRF]Obiwan 20th August 2012, 15:29 Quote
I think they priced it in the 250 because Nvidia can't deliver enough cards for the price of 200. Do I make sense? If I look at the online shops today the delivery times are dropped from a day or two to one or two weeks now. Only some close partners have some more in stock. The Gigabyte and Zotac is nowhere to be found here.

I hope the price will drop 10 to 30 euro. to just make the 60 to 90 euro difference compared to the 670 a real hot item.
If you are coming from the 460 or 470 range then the 660 and 670 is a real good upgrade to do. I even think that the 660ti is a real winner in the 1080p range. The scores are 1 to 3 frames off compared to the 670. spending 40 for a 2 frame gain with the 670. no sir!
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