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OCZ Vertex 3 SSD Preview

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adidan 24th February 2011, 15:49 Quote
Interesting that the next gen OCZ is still beaten by the C300 in random reads... Why would that be?
Cei 24th February 2011, 15:50 Quote
The problem is that new technology will push the prices back up again, just when SSDs were becoming affordable. I'll be happy with the day when £100 will buy me 256GB of fast storage - but it never seems to get here. Even now that only gets you 60-64GB of a SandForce SSD, and the new faster ones will likely be £150+ for the same capacity.

Perhaps this will drive the costs of the "old" SF drives down, but it'll most likely just end up replacing.
sb1991 24th February 2011, 15:59 Quote
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However, it's worth bearing in mind that, right now, it's only the Sandy Bridge platform that's able to take advantage of the Vertex 3’s ludicrously quick headline speeds. Marvell's 91xx SATA 6Gbps controller chips that are used to provide SATA 6Gbps ports on X58 and P55 motherboards will almost always be connected via a single PCI-E 2.0 lane, which theoretically peaks at 500MB/sec, but realistically only delivers 400MB/sec. It’s a case of products moving faster than the platform, and that means than only owners of native SATA 6Gbps systems will get the full performance of the drive.
AMD have had native SATA 6Gbps for ages... where have you been? Or have you tested this SSD on SB850 and found it lacking?
Baz 24th February 2011, 16:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by sb1991
AMD have had native SATA 6Gbps for ages... where have you been? Or have you tested this SSD on SB850 and found it lacking?

We tested AMD's SATA 6Gbps ports back when we looked at SATA 6Gbps port performance and found that they weren't as fast as marvell. We might take another look at SATA 6Gbps elsewhere when these drives are actually released. For now this is just a preview and we found SandyBridge to be plenty fast enough.
rickysio 24th February 2011, 16:43 Quote
Yes, we need

SandForce 2281 - Very, very quick. But you'll need SandbyBridge to get the best out of it.
do_it_anyway 24th February 2011, 16:52 Quote
Wow.
I am SO pleased I just forked out on a C300.
Actually I am pleased. Its great, but for those that have held off. this looks very exciting
c0ldfused 24th February 2011, 17:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cei
The problem is that new technology will push the prices back up again, just when SSDs were becoming affordable.

The 25nm production that OCZ are employing should *theoretically* mean cheaper prices for consumer. i.e. They produce more of the good stuff using the same resources.
Nikols 24th February 2011, 17:17 Quote
Read a few articles about the 25nm drives potentially having shorter lifespans, eg
http://www.storagereview.com/ssds_shifting_25nm_nand_what_you_need_know
brooksy 24th February 2011, 18:04 Quote
over-prosvisoned.
pbryanw 24th February 2011, 20:31 Quote
@Nikols - Anandtech also have quite a comprehensive overview of this problem on their Vertex 3 Pro preview. They say it's not a problem:

"For a desktop user running a desktop (non-server) workload, the chances of your drive dying within its warranty period due to you wearing out all of the NAND are basically nothing."

It's well worth a read:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4159/ocz-vertex-3-pro-preview-the-first-sf2500-ssd/2

And has put my mind at rest, regarding this issue.
mclean007 24th February 2011, 20:57 Quote
This looks frickin epic. When can I haz one?!
Skiddywinks 24th February 2011, 22:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nikols
Read a few articles about the 25nm drives potentially having shorter lifespans, eg
http://www.storagereview.com/ssds_shifting_25nm_nand_what_you_need_know

In case what pbryanw posted wasn't convincing enough, this is the line from the same (excellent) preview that sold me:
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In eight months I only used 1/300th of the lifespan of the drive.

And that is the author talking. The rest of the people who were using SSDs wrote considerably less.
rainbowbridge 24th February 2011, 23:40 Quote
what is the release date for this product?
Gradius 25th February 2011, 01:43 Quote
I already have a C300 and I still will get this one too.
Xir 25th February 2011, 10:43 Quote
I'd be more exited if it would get C300 speeds at a lower price, than I am at oh, another speedy but too expensive drive.
PingCrosby 25th February 2011, 11:20 Quote
I want one.
Ajhayter 25th February 2011, 16:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Xir
I'd be more exited if it would get C300 speeds at a lower price, than I am at oh, another speedy but too expensive drive.

That's certainly the truth.

I've just forked for a 64GB C300. On the Asus p6x58D-e SATA3 ports it's nice and speedy. Windows boot times are awesome.

While faster and faster is interesting as a technical exercise and for power users (see: i7 980x), where's the affordable version for the rest of us, who just want something "pretty good", rather than the bleeding edge?
j0lly 25th February 2011, 17:04 Quote
Good review, I would have loved too see some real world tests though.
But the conclusion and the parts about sandy bridge was just unnecessary, and wrong. There are controllers out there, and even cheap ones that will fully utilize the performance.

This cheap one should do just the trick; http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=lGYmelQ8mJvPtYTv
frontline 26th February 2011, 11:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Baz
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Originally Posted by sb1991
AMD have had native SATA 6Gbps for ages... where have you been? Or have you tested this SSD on SB850 and found it lacking?

We tested AMD's SATA 6Gbps ports back when we looked at SATA 6Gbps port performance and found that they weren't as fast as marvell. We might take another look at SATA 6Gbps elsewhere when these drives are actually released. For now this is just a preview and we found SandyBridge to be plenty fast enough.

The article regarding SATA 6Gbps ports seemed to indicate that the SB850 performed pretty well compared to add-in solutions:
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The speeds from the AMD boards (graphed in green) weren’t brilliant in the 4KB test, largely matching the speed of the Intel ICH10R Southbridge (or its P55 or H55 equivalent), while the add-on SATA 6Gbps chips were mostly faster.

However, in the 1MB and 4MB tests, the SB850 (green in the graphs) held its own against the Marvell-powered ports. The Asus Crosshair IV Formula managed a read speed of 334MB/sec in the 1MB test, which is the third highest speed we saw
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The slowest SB850 board in the 1MB test was the Gigabyte GA-880GMA-UD2H, a cheap £75 micro-ATX board, which was only 13MB/sec slower than the premium Asus RoG board. AMD’s SB850 Southbridge is capable of fairly fast SATA 6Gbps speeds, so it’s no surprise that few manufacturers have opted to use add-on chips on their AMD motherboards

Am happy with my Crucial M225 128gb drive, but would like another SSD for my steam install (although would need more than 128GB!)
cool_dude 26th February 2011, 17:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
Yes, we need

SandForce 2281 - Very, very quick. But you'll need SandbyBridge to get the best out of it.

bump for this as its not been edited...
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kosch 28th February 2011, 13:50 Quote
This year could be the year I buy an SSD then :)
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