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Pioneer BDXL BDR-206MBK Review

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memeroot 23rd February 2011, 15:19 Quote
dumb format (though I just bought a br-drive for the sake of it)
Ayrto 23rd February 2011, 15:27 Quote
£40 a disc? LOl, it's annoying enough when something goes wrong on a CD-R burn , imagine getting a write error with BDXL .
memeroot 23rd February 2011, 15:36 Quote
technically I just paid that for a br drive


physical media was dead 5 years ago
Hakuren 23rd February 2011, 15:46 Quote
I'm frankly amazed that optical drives are still alive and kicking. For the past 10 years I can easily count (using only my hands) how many CD/DVD I burned. It is about time to send CD/DVD/other-ROMs/RWs into the bin of antiquated equipment.

In particular now when USB3 made external storage/moving data easier and faster than ever for a fraction of the cost when compared to any optical disk. It is pure madness prolonging life of stuff which is pretty much dead. How about buying new version of Windows on a tiny SSD/pendrive. No need for uber super-duper transfers. Old SSDs with transfers around ~100MB will do nicely. Drive will be bootable&encrypted (unlocked with private key generated online for example). There is plenty of possibilities. And if we think for a moment about WIndows 8 where USB3 support will be built-in as standard. Just plug USB stick in and enjoy Windows installation in 5 minutes. Simple. No need for big, slooow, round object whatsoever.
chelseascum 23rd February 2011, 16:28 Quote
If single layer is 25Gb and dual layer is 50Gb, how is quad layer 128Gb? My brain hurts.
Jampotp 23rd February 2011, 17:09 Quote
@ chelseascum: That's just what I was thinking :)
Toploaded 23rd February 2011, 18:10 Quote
If it worked in PS3's and current BluRay Players and the disks were half the price, I'd be interested as I would be able to make much bigger and more epic HD home videos for the family to share. But as is, noooo way.
Jim 23rd February 2011, 18:47 Quote
I would be interested for backup purposes - too many times picked a hard drive up off the shelf and a file has become corrupted even without being used.

Would have to be a heck of a lot cheaper though before it was worthwhile. Blu-ray is still far too expensive compared to DVDs - this is another level of insanity.
memeroot 23rd February 2011, 18:53 Quote
@Toploaded

hate to come round yours after you've been on holiday ;-)
GiantKiwi 23rd February 2011, 19:04 Quote
Uhm why would i spend £40 on a disc when I can get 100 50GB discs wholesale for £30?
Omnituens 23rd February 2011, 19:30 Quote
Any reason the burn/usb3/usb2 time are not all in minutes? seems a bit misleading when 2 of them are in minutes and the other in hours.
Farfalho 23rd February 2011, 20:15 Quote
Previous rumors about MGS4 were that Kojima was unable to do all he wanted with the game because the Blu-Ray capacity was the limiting factor. If he did what he wanted from the started, it has been reckoned that he would need a triple or quad-layer disc. Too bad he didn't make it because by now PS3 would have that capability.

Although, external HDDs are cheap nowadays, I still want to use a DVD or Blu-Ray burner. I don't like to have my disk full of my important and precious data so after I get, for example, an entire anime series, I burn them and keep it safe in a disc dossier. I'm the kind of person that likes to look at his disk and see the blue usage bar being at 15% most. I like to know that I still have plenty of space for any sudden need.
phuzz 23rd February 2011, 20:56 Quote
I'm happy with my £30 DVD writer personally.

Optical media isn't that good for backups, I've seen cheap CDRs bleach in the sun after about a year, even if kept carefully I'd prefer to stick to HD (not that you shouldn't think carefully about where you store your backup HDD)
frontline 23rd February 2011, 20:57 Quote
Cheap blu-ray reader is all that i require, i watch more films on my PC and laptop than the TV.
Repo 23rd February 2011, 22:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hakuren
I'm frankly amazed that optical drives are still alive and kicking. For the past 10 years I can easily count (using only my hands) how many CD/DVD I burned. It is about time to send CD/DVD/other-ROMs/RWs into the bin of antiquated equipment.

In particular now when USB3 made external storage/moving data easier and faster than ever for a fraction of the cost when compared to any optical disk. It is pure madness prolonging life of stuff which is pretty much dead. How about buying new version of Windows on a tiny SSD/pendrive. No need for uber super-duper transfers. Old SSDs with transfers around ~100MB will do nicely. Drive will be bootable&encrypted (unlocked with private key generated online for example). There is plenty of possibilities. And if we think for a moment about WIndows 8 where USB3 support will be built-in as standard. Just plug USB stick in and enjoy Windows installation in 5 minutes. Simple. No need for big, slooow, round object whatsoever.
Great!


If you have the money to constantly buy new kit... most of us don't :(
Th3Maverick 23rd February 2011, 22:34 Quote
I burn DVD-DLs all the time for my wife's photography business. The only absolutely certain way to maintain a backup of truly important stuff is to burn it to a disc and store it in a firesafe deposit box at a bank or other offsite storage location.

I know, this seems kind of extremist and might generate all kinds of negative feedback, but when your wife loses 500+ GB of photos, and amongst those were the only copies of thousands of personal pictures documenting the first 5 years of your marriage, you get kind of crazy. Especially when the hard drive was unrecoverable by 3 different recovery firms, and the online storage system you were using as your offsite backup "lost" your entire account.

So, by my count, an AFFORDABLE 128GB disc would be hawtness. But at ~$60 a disc, I think 5 x 25GB discs for ~$5 will do just fine.
urobulos 23rd February 2011, 22:49 Quote
I could see a use for it with discs being cheaper and zero write errors. If the tech becomes more widespread then who knows, maybe we will see 128GB discs for the price of a regular one. But even if this happens I'd still be nervous about using it. Maybe my drive was rubbish or I got a bad batch of CD-Rs, but last time I was recording something using physical media I had quite afew burn errors. Now imagine if something goes wrong when you are burning 120GB instead of 700MB.....

Btw, is support for BDXLrelated to hardware or can it be added via software updates? If it's an extra feature then I can imagine this wil have its niche. If it requires you to replace your current home cinema setup then forget it.
Smilodon 23rd February 2011, 22:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Th3Maverick
I burn DVD-DLs all the time for my wife's photography business. The only absolutely certain way to maintain a backup of truly important stuff is to burn it to a disc and store it in a firesafe deposit box at a bank or other offsite storage location.

I know, this seems kind of extremist and might generate all kinds of negative feedback, but when your wife loses 500+ GB of photos, and amongst those were the only copies of thousands of personal pictures documenting the first 5 years of your marriage, you get kind of crazy. Especially when the hard drive was unrecoverable by 3 different recovery firms, and the online storage system you were using as your offsite backup "lost" your entire account.

So, by my count, an AFFORDABLE 128GB disc would be hawtness. But at ~$60 a disc, I think 5 x 25GB discs for ~$5 will do just fine.

Actually, for long term storage tapes are better. They can even be reused.

LTO can store 800GB (1,6TB compressed) and is relatively cheap. The actual drive is a tad expensive, though.
dark_avenger 24th February 2011, 00:58 Quote
I can see the purpose of BluRay for watching movies but not for burning.

With the price of 2Tb drives just buy 2 and have 2 copies of your backup.
chrismarkham1982 24th February 2011, 01:15 Quote
................all can say is why????:?
ssj12 24th February 2011, 02:38 Quote
in a corporate environment BDXL makes sense for backing up large files. They require less storage space then buying just dual-layer BDs or DVDs. It will be the corporate environment that will make BDXL cheaper for the consumer market.
fluxtatic 24th February 2011, 05:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by ssj12
in a corporate environment BDXL makes sense for backing up large files. They require less storage space then buying just dual-layer BDs or DVDs. It will be the corporate environment that will make BDXL cheaper for the consumer market.

Possible, but I would guess a fair amount of enterprise software won't play nice with it. As an example, the ERP software where I work will not work if it can't find a tape drive. It wasn't until 2008 or so that it would work without a dot-matrix printer hooked up. We kept one hooked up, on a shelf in the server room unused for years only because the system required it. My guess is it will be at least 2015 before it won't require a tape-drive, and I wouldn't trust programming trickery so the software sees a BDXL drive as a tape drive. Aside from that, as Smilodon points out, LTO is much, much cheaper per GB. IIRC, the tapes we use cost around $.10/GB, versus ~$.45/GB for BDXL. Factor in the fact that the discs are not reusable, and a simple burn error means no backup at all...no thanks.

And at home, I'll stick with my $20 LightScribe DL-DVD drive for what few discs I feel compelled to burn. I'd rather pick up fistfuls of 500GB HDDs for now, and look again when I can pick up a spontaneous 10-pack of 128GB discs for $15 at the drugstore.
Cthippo 24th February 2011, 05:48 Quote
The only issue I see with giving up optical media is the need to give stuff to other people. If I do a big photo shoot and I want to give someone a copy, I don't really want to give them my thumb drive I might never see back. Even BD-DLs are cheaper than giving away USB sticks, though these are not.
fluxtatic 24th February 2011, 06:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
The only issue I see with giving up optical media is the need to give stuff to other people. If I do a big photo shoot and I want to give someone a copy, I don't really want to give them my thumb drive I might never see back. Even BD-DLs are cheaper than giving away USB sticks, though these are not.

Makes it seem like maybe the Art Lebedev 'cardboard flash drives' concept isn't so utterly retarded after all. Make them ~4GB, and cheap, and it's a brilliant hand-out for this sort of situation.
http://www.geekologie.com/2011/02/goodbye_durability_cardboard_f.php (The official site is in Russian, apparently)
Paradigm Shifter 24th February 2011, 13:12 Quote
I imagine many of the people commenting either never knew or have forgotten how much writeable CDs cost when they started, or how much writeable DVDs cost when they started. I remember seeing a CD writer drive hit £400 and thinking that was pretty good value, and blank CDs costing a fiver each was some sort of incredible price breakthrough! (If that 128GB disc was the same £/MB as those CDs, it'd be over £900) Manufacturers made a big fuss about DVD-RAM drives when they became 'affordable' when they hit £500 and media was extortionately expensive too.

Give these time and they'll get cheaper. All new tech is expensive at launch.

As for "physical media is dead"... not until the whole world has uncapped, unthrottled, near-100%-uptime 100+Mbps internet will physical media be 'dead' for transference of data - assuming data levels don't continue to increase at the rate they are - and storable optical media will be an emergency backup medium for a long time yet. It's easier to hand someone a disc than it is a hard drive.
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