Published on 1st September 2010 by
Originally Posted by wuyanxuit is a long term problem. raising salaries is only part of the solution. i think long term solution is to move factory into the countryside, away from big cities that is full of spoiled young workers.
Originally Posted by HandMadeAndroidBit-tech is just part of this system, constantly pushing and promoting the next big tech thing to a bunch or largely white, middle class spoiled western brats whom think its their born right to have this latest crap to cover their insecurities and inadequacies as human beings. What's even more comical is you are collectively so bored with your lives that you have to block them out by plugging into, or looking at some device.
Originally Posted by HandMadeAndroidBit-tech is just part of this system, constantly pushing and promoting the next big tech thing to a bunch or largely white, middle class spoiled western brats whom think its their born right to have this latest crap to cover their insecurities and inadequacies as human beings
Originally Posted by yakybIt must be awful, how steve jobs can live with himself with apple on a 60% profit margin i do not know. (i would gladly pay 10% more for a Mobo if it got passed directly onto the workers.
Originally Posted by HandMadeAndroidBit-tech is just part of this system, constantly pushing and promoting the next big tech thing to a bunch or largely white, middle class spoiled western brats whom think its their born right to have this latest crap...
Originally Posted by Sifter3000I don't deny that bit-tech is a part (albeit very small) of this "system" - I state it in the brief foreword. That said, what the article makes clear (I hope) is how complex and involved the system itself is, because what you're really talking about is the global economy. Ultimately, China is going from being a poor, agrarian, rural economy to a modern, capitalist, consumerist, urban economy and culture in the space of 20 years, whereas it took the UK closer to 200; these are huge forces at work, and it's important to try and recognise them, and your own role in them.
Simply saying "you all suck for being consumers" isn't going to help anything. Neither, I don't think is saying calling out Steve Jobs on his ethics - outside investment is key to the Chinese economy (and key to our own: it's quite important that China isn't just a manufacturing economy, but also consumes goods and services, as that then helps our own companies). Should factory conditions be better and should wages be higher? Yes, of course. Should we stop making stuff in China and stop buying new stuff? No.
Originally Posted by justicefornoneAfter getting back from Beijing a few weeks ago probably would help the most moving things into the countryside however the road networks there are... frankly, horrific. Once you leave the citys it deterotates fast, and if there are accidents you can't go anywhere, we were stuck for an hour and a half on a road that was 4 lines both sides because of a smash where the people who had the smash and nearby people had to sort it out!
After being there nothing in this article really suprised me, and has been mentioned. How Steve Jobs can sleep at night is beyond me. He probably just covers himself in money till the guilt goes away.
Originally Posted by MuunsyrRegarding the article, did I read page 4 right? That Hon Hai has (or will shortly have) 700 Million employees? For perspective, that is half the population of China itself and twice the population of the US (and many many times the country I live in). I knew they were big, but are they really THAT big?
Originally Posted by NexxoLet's be precise here. Apple makes a 48% mark-up on a unit, not 60%. Part of that is eaten by marketing, distribution, sales infrastructure (Apple Shops and support staff), R&D. Another substantial chunk is eaten by shareholders who want return on their investment.
Is Jobs bothered? No, Jobs is too busy being a successful businessman. He knows that the success of his company relies on the bottom line.
You bleeding hearts all say that you'd happily pay more for a product, but I remember the frequent indignant outcries over the price of Apple products. I remember the argument for piracy being made that games are just too (unjustifiably) expensive. Fact is, everybody likes a free lunch. But somewhere in the food chain someone has to pay the price every time you don't.
Originally Posted by Sifter3000Gah, that should say 700,000! There's always one error that gets through.
Originally Posted by t1alekEasily the best article I've read on bit-tech and one of the overall best for a long while.
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