Originally Posted by Kipman725 hmm this would have made sense as a revision to the existing cards not the first of the 9 series. I guess when ATI's new cards come out nvidia will be playing catch up again (these things seem to be cyclic).
Since nVidia already leaked that it's new line is ready for launch and are just waiting for ATi to release their new cards (supposedly June), I don't think they will have to play catch up. In fact, they are just waiting for ATi to try to catch up. Right now they are toying with ATi and the public with these sub-par releases, milking every dollar out of their dated tech.
I knew these cards weren't going to be anything to raise a brow at, as it seems so have most every one. This card will only capture the eye of the unknowing because of the nomeclature.
tk421,
there is no point in comparing these to an HD3870, partially because I believe BT just wanted to show us how these rate compared to nVidias current cards, plus the 3870 simply isn't in the same league as these cards.
I'm one of those people that have a 30" monitor. I bought a 8800gt thinking it would boost my performance, even over my pair of 7800gt's
I was wrong.. I get about the same performance.
My theory *correct me if I'm wrong*
my 7800's only having 256mb of ram didnt have enough free space for the master card to store all of its data + the data from the rendering of the slave card so it would have to dump back to system memory, then retrieve it again.
My 8800gt only having a 256 memory interface, altho better than the 7800gt's still cant push the data at the needed speeds for a 2560x1600 monitor.
So.... if your running a 30" monitor the 8800GTX is still the card to have? In SLI even better?
From what I gather, there is nothing new from Nvidia that caters to the extreme gamer using a HUGE monitor since the 8800GTX...
:edit: The reason being that Nvidia has stuck with the use of a 256bit memory interface..
From what I gather, there is nothing new from Nvidia that caters to the extreme gamer using a HUGE monitor since the 8800GTX...
:edit: The reason being that Nvidia has stuck with the use of a 256bit memory interface..
-EVRE-
Nvidia is pushing SLI and 3-way for super resolutions, basically. :/
I think we're stuck at 256bit/512MB until GDDR5 arrives since "4" is still nowhere - I had expected these cards to launch with 1GB to at least give them an edge.
Like tk421, I'd have liked to have seen a single 3870 in the mix too, although I understand that deadlines can make benching another card difficult. :)
The 9800GTX is basically a slightly more energy efficient 8800GTX (although nowhere near as efficient as I'd been hoping)... the choice between the two will come down to the heat the 9800 pumps out at idle and load, and whether the increase in price on the 9800 will be justified by decreased power bills. Would also like to see 1GB versions of the card - it might make it slightly more tempting...
Quick question, although I might have missed it in the review... how long is the 9800?
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Nvidia is pushing SLI and 3-way for super resolutions, basically. :/
I think we're stuck at 256bit/512MB until GDDR5 arrives since "4" is still nowhere - I had expected these cards to launch with 1GB to at least give them an edge.
GDDR5? are they going to be on 9900GTX by any chance?
tk421,
there is no point in comparing these to an HD3870, partially because I believe BT just wanted to show us how these rate compared to nVidias current cards, plus the 3870 simply isn't in the same league as these cards.
well, some of us have fairly strict budgets when it comes to technology - the wife and daughter can't be going hungry cause daddy wants a new toy.
the dual gpu cards are quite out of my budget.
since the review was on one company's (currently) top end single gpu solution - i believe that it should have been compared to the other guy's current top end single gpu solution. it seems like the 3870 x2 was just thrown in so this didn't read, as you said - a comparison of nividia's current cards.
i get worried when the gimmick-y stuff starts coming from both sides.
Originally Posted by Article Note: taking your graphics card apart will void your warranty in some cases, although it's worth mentioning that some board partners do allow the user to switch coolers and not void their warranty.
Any chance of letting us know of any you guys currently know of ? It doesn't seem to be something they're too keen to splash all over (lets face it marketing-led) corporate websites. And I'm sure there are a fair few of us around here would like to know :).
Sad, this is what is wrong with PC gaming, Hardware vendors are driving up pricing of video cards (Yes, I am looking at u Nvidia), while milking old tech. These cards should not be more the $200 max. I have been a long time Nvidia fan, but I hope ATI kicks the 9 series in the balls, this price gouging and milking old tech and charging a premium just to play games on high settings is just driving more people to the consoles. nvidia should be asahmed, i was looking forward to getting a 9 series card, not anymore, what a rip-off. If hardware vendors made high end graphics more affordable, u would see PC gamong become more popular, it is companies like intel, nvidia that are doing more to hurt Pc gaming then help.
Originally Posted by Bladestorm Any chance of letting us know of any you guys currently know of ? It doesn't seem to be something they're too keen to splash all over (lets face it marketing-led) corporate websites. And I'm sure there are a fair few of us around here would like to know :).
EVGA for one. I know they'll support it to a point, unless you totally n00bed the card up and killed it. I've also taken stock solutions off BFG's cards in the past too, but reinstalled it for RMA when I had a problem with the card's RAM going bad.
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Check the Samsung website to see if they are sampling yet. I can't answer that.
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Originally Posted by source on Dec 2007 Samsung said samples of the new GDDR5 chip have been delivered to “major graphic processor companies” last month.
This just makes me happy i bought a 8800 GTX early last year. I always said if games came out that my 8800 GTX couldn't play the price of the 8800 GTX would be cut in half, looks like I am getting more and more corect on this issue. I did read somewhere I think here that we are coming to an end on how GPU's play our games, the artical said something to the effect that we are getting to the point of realizm that no matter how powerful a card getts it is not going to look any better. this might be true as the 9800GTX is nothing new 12-06 to 04-08 = +/- a year and a half and is still about the same. I'm sure I wasnt the only one that thought that the 9800 GTX was going to be much better.
I hold nothing against the decision to release a not-much-difference successor, and this card seems to fit that purpose. The article gave me an interesting idea about a possible future video card market: releasing more video cards, more frequently, with smaller differences in performance improvement (I know, the similarities of this principle to episodic gaming has also struck me sideways). Not only would the video cards be cheaper (in theory), but you wouldn't have this enormous gaping, goatsie-like hole of a performance jump from low- and typical-range video card owners to the enthusiast (that would be us). The game-playing performance difference between the general public and enthusiasts would shrink considerably, presenting everyone with a relatively equal opportunity to play the same games in the same presentation/fidelity. The only problem with this concept is that its success banks entirely on the users' video card turnover rate being high enough to recuperate the lost profit on very low-priced product.
Now, although this 9800 GTX does fulfill the 'smaller gains' objective of my envisioned discrete graphics market, it totally fumbles with the 'low price' initiative, especially after taking into consideration the readily-available, considerably cheaper, fundamentally-the-same-card 8800 GTS 512MB and its other notable siblings: the 8800 GT, 8800 GTX 8800 GTS 640, and 9600 GT.
â¦Hmmm, I've reread teh 8800GT article, where it's stated that the 8800GT is largely at par with the 8800GTS 640 and close behind the 8800GTX.
So how does this very popular card* compare with the new 9800GTX?
Originally Posted by Amon ... releasing more video cards, more frequently, with smaller differences in performance improvement (I know, the similarities of this principle to episodic gaming has also struck me sideways). Not only would the video cards be cheaper (in theory), but you wouldn't have this enormous gaping, goatsie-like hole of a performance jump from low- and typical-range video card owners to the enthusiast (that would be us). ...
The problem with that theory is that every revision, no matter how minor, requires a certain amount of retooling. Unless the revision (which also has research and development costs) saves significant costs for the supplier it's cheaper to just keep making the same chips. Also, without decent jumps in performance between generations most users would see little need to upgrade - sort of like the current situation. Those jumps help keep the market going.
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SLI hybrid should work well but giveing an name to an card 9800 gtx for an card that is slower then an 8800 gtx or about same speed
Since nVidia already leaked that it's new line is ready for launch and are just waiting for ATi to release their new cards (supposedly June), I don't think they will have to play catch up. In fact, they are just waiting for ATi to try to catch up. Right now they are toying with ATi and the public with these sub-par releases, milking every dollar out of their dated tech.
I knew these cards weren't going to be anything to raise a brow at, as it seems so have most every one. This card will only capture the eye of the unknowing because of the nomeclature.
tk421,
there is no point in comparing these to an HD3870, partially because I believe BT just wanted to show us how these rate compared to nVidias current cards, plus the 3870 simply isn't in the same league as these cards.
I was wrong.. I get about the same performance.
My theory *correct me if I'm wrong*
my 7800's only having 256mb of ram didnt have enough free space for the master card to store all of its data + the data from the rendering of the slave card so it would have to dump back to system memory, then retrieve it again.
My 8800gt only having a 256 memory interface, altho better than the 7800gt's still cant push the data at the needed speeds for a 2560x1600 monitor.
So.... if your running a 30" monitor the 8800GTX is still the card to have? In SLI even better?
From what I gather, there is nothing new from Nvidia that caters to the extreme gamer using a HUGE monitor since the 8800GTX...
:edit: The reason being that Nvidia has stuck with the use of a 256bit memory interface..
-EVRE-
Nvidia is pushing SLI and 3-way for super resolutions, basically. :/
I think we're stuck at 256bit/512MB until GDDR5 arrives since "4" is still nowhere - I had expected these cards to launch with 1GB to at least give them an edge.
The 9800GTX is basically a slightly more energy efficient 8800GTX (although nowhere near as efficient as I'd been hoping)... the choice between the two will come down to the heat the 9800 pumps out at idle and load, and whether the increase in price on the 9800 will be justified by decreased power bills. Would also like to see 1GB versions of the card - it might make it slightly more tempting...
Quick question, although I might have missed it in the review... how long is the 9800?
well, some of us have fairly strict budgets when it comes to technology - the wife and daughter can't be going hungry cause daddy wants a new toy.
the dual gpu cards are quite out of my budget.
since the review was on one company's (currently) top end single gpu solution - i believe that it should have been compared to the other guy's current top end single gpu solution. it seems like the 3870 x2 was just thrown in so this didn't read, as you said - a comparison of nividia's current cards.
i get worried when the gimmick-y stuff starts coming from both sides.
Any chance of letting us know of any you guys currently know of ? It doesn't seem to be something they're too keen to splash all over (lets face it marketing-led) corporate websites. And I'm sure there are a fair few of us around here would like to know :).
The PS3 sucks compared to a 8800 series, stroke away.
EVGA for one. I know they'll support it to a point, unless you totally n00bed the card up and killed it. I've also taken stock solutions off BFG's cards in the past too, but reinstalled it for RMA when I had a problem with the card's RAM going bad.
Check the Samsung website to see if they are sampling yet. I can't answer that.
*starts saving up*
I hold nothing against the decision to release a not-much-difference successor, and this card seems to fit that purpose. The article gave me an interesting idea about a possible future video card market: releasing more video cards, more frequently, with smaller differences in performance improvement (I know, the similarities of this principle to episodic gaming has also struck me sideways). Not only would the video cards be cheaper (in theory), but you wouldn't have this enormous gaping, goatsie-like hole of a performance jump from low- and typical-range video card owners to the enthusiast (that would be us). The game-playing performance difference between the general public and enthusiasts would shrink considerably, presenting everyone with a relatively equal opportunity to play the same games in the same presentation/fidelity. The only problem with this concept is that its success banks entirely on the users' video card turnover rate being high enough to recuperate the lost profit on very low-priced product.
Now, although this 9800 GTX does fulfill the 'smaller gains' objective of my envisioned discrete graphics market, it totally fumbles with the 'low price' initiative, especially after taking into consideration the readily-available, considerably cheaper, fundamentally-the-same-card 8800 GTS 512MB and its other notable siblings: the 8800 GT, 8800 GTX 8800 GTS 640, and 9600 GT.
So how does this very popular card* compare with the new 9800GTX?
Xir
*no fears, I don't have one
tis a shame that the 8's dont throttle back on power usage I had to install a mako reactor when i bolted in my 3rd GTX
Hopefully by the end of the year, we will have Intel, nVidia and ATI.
Perhaps they have the tech to produce a much faster card but dont want to show there best hand, with new ATi cards round the corner?