Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Nope - DRM issues make it Windows only...
gaaayyyyy. :(
So are we stuck waiting for a de-CSS type program to come along before Linux can play the media?
Surely not if you can download ripped BluRay films?
Originally Posted by airchie gaaayyyyy. :(
So are we stuck waiting for a de-CSS type program to come along before Linux can play the media?
Surely not if you can download ripped BluRay films?
the more difficult it is to crack the sooner they will crack it....
Originally Posted by Tim S That's a worst-case from an early Japanese PS3. Of course, the 40GB UK PS3 will consume less because process technology has improved and there's no PS2 inside it... but it's hard to quantify how much less without having one on hand. One thing I can say is that it won't be as little as 78W, that's for sure.
The 'PS2' inside of the PS3 was really just a single chip, so I'm not sure that removing it really decreased power usage. According to Wikipedia, this chip consumes 15W at 1.8v, so even if it was on all the time, there really would be no difference.
Originally Posted by sandys Perhaps the specs for the PSU but there nothing you can run on a PS3 that gets near that.
I'm guessing that's the amount of power it would draw if everything in it were maxed out.
All cores at 100%, HDD going mad, NIC getting leathered, Bluray working flat out etc.
Realistically, that's not likely to happen all at once.
Amd with this new product has owned the mainstream users. This is going to be a very big sell in countries where getting a computer is an invertion more than just to get a computer.
I just saw some info on the X2 4850E CPU that is one option to go with this.
If I can run that CPU with a nice, quiet HSF, and if it is all cheap, I think I'll be upgrading my media PC very soon.
Would the Silverstone LC-19 Fanless 120W DC/DC Power Supply have enough power to run this, be-2350, PCI tuner, Laptop DVD, and a 500gb HD? Cos that with the right heatsink could make a very powerfull and silent Media Center.
Originally Posted by Ownzyouall I wouldn't mind at all, everyone know Intel is way better.
Intel is way better, at the moment.
The AMD CPU's thrashed everything from intel until they brought out the Core marchitecture.
And what do you think drove Intel to making such a good range of processors?
It sure wasn't the overwhelming desire to make us all happy, it was because they wanted our money to go to them instead of AMD and so they had to beat the AMD CPUs.
ie, competition drives forward the technoology bringing better and cheaper tech to us.
No competition, no point in spending so much on R&D etc when they can sit back and reap the rewards of being the only manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Ownzyouall I've used a ton of AMD processors before and i can tell you they are all S%#T!! After I tried Intel, I never went back. So ya I do know what I'm saying.....smartass
Loving the sweeping statement.
Makes you sound like an immature know-it-all teenager though. ;)
Makes you sound like an immature know-it-all teenager though. ;)
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AMD rocked with Duron and Athlon up to Socket A and through 939. It was Intel having a relatively huge stake in Compilers which gave them the advantage.
Originally Posted by stark Would the Silverstone LC-19 Fanless 120W DC/DC Power Supply have enough power to run this, be-2350, PCI tuner, Laptop DVD, and a 500gb HD? Cos that with the right heatsink could make a very powerfull and silent Media Center.
Should be fine, thats effectively the setup I have but using a 690G chipset which uses more power plus I have 1 PCI and2 USB tuners.
Now great review, nothing wrong with it but whenever AMD's released a product recently e.g. HD 2000, HD 3000, 780G I wish that they would just put their slideshow on their website, or that reviewers would just post ALL of the slides in their reviews. As it is I'm left collecting slides from all over the web and still being left with an incomplete collection (no I don't have an obsession with slides I merely find them a very efficient and accurate way of transferring information).
Talking of slides as being an accurate way of transferring information I'm particularly interested by this one and although not a slide this is still rather interesting - somewhat conflicting with Bit-tech's (HD) HQV results aren't they :?
Now for an efficient list of questions and complaints:
Q1. Can the 780G support 2 TMDS/VGA outputs at the same time?
Q2. What version of the UVD are we on now?
Q3. Is the x16 PCIe link fused together? Just asking as although Bindibadgi (how did you ever come up with this name?) said it wasn't, Hothardware claimed it was in their review.
Q4. What technology is the southbridge built with?
Q5. Does the SB700 have an IR connection?
Q6. What dies do AMD's northbridges use and for that matter how many are there (does the 740G exist)?
780G complaints:
C1. No DX 10.1 support, you might think this is irrelevant but considering that the HD 2000 series is probably DX 10.1 capable and that the GPU is named HD 3200, I can still complain.:p
C2. I thought the HD 3000 series were named as such due to their DX 10.1 support, it turns out they earned their name change by being built with 55nm.
C3. No TV-out, SCART if AMD's listening.
Motherboard complaints:
C4. No Local Frame Buffer.
C5. Unnecessarily pathetic NB heatsink.
C6. Only 4 USB ports.
C7. No SPDIF in.
C8. Not DTX! (I thought this was supposed to be cheaper to manufacture?)
Originally Posted by Ownzyouall I have a message for AMD, just quit life, you'll never beat Intel.
So you want a stagnant, single-manufacturer processor market then? Didn't think so... :|
Dude i have used a ton of AMD processors in my life and i can tell you each and every single one of them are garbage. not matter how hard they try they will never beat intel. so what if intel are singles like you mentioned, they are still faster and better. This is a proven fact - the best quad AMD runs around 450 while an Intel is around 1,400 - i think theres a significant. even if there both overclocked the intel would still be better. You get what you pay for.................... dumbass, AMD SUCKS!!!!
I dunno, AMD64 X2 processors were the bomb compared to Pentium 4's. Not even adding Hyperthreading helped Intel stack up against AMD, the Pentium 4's were lumbering dinosaurs with jetpacks.
Looking back further, Pentium 3 and the initial Athlon's were about level pegging, with the Athlon XP finally taking the baton. It wasn't until the Core marchitecture exploded onto the scene that Intel took the baton back and are still riding high.
Originally Posted by K20 Now great review, nothing wrong with it but whenever AMD's released a product recently e.g. HD 2000, HD 3000, 780G I wish that they would just put their slideshow on their website, or that reviewers would just post ALL of the slides in their reviews. As it is I'm left collecting slides from all over the web and still being left with an incomplete collection (no I don't have an obsession with slides I merely find them a very efficient and accurate way of transferring information).
Talking of slides as being an accurate way of transferring information I'm particularly interested by this one and although not a slide this is still rather interesting - somewhat conflicting with Bit-tech's (HD) HQV results aren't they :?
Now for an efficient list of questions and complaints:
Q1. Can the 780G support 2 TMDS/VGA outputs at the same time?
Q2. What version of the UVD are we on now?
Q3. Is the x16 PCIe link fused together? Just asking as although Bindibadgi (how did you ever come up with this name?) said it wasn't, Hothardware claimed it was in their review.
Q4. What technology is the southbridge built with?
Q5. Does the SB700 have an IR connection?
Q6. What dies do AMD's northbridges use and for that matter how many are there (does the 740G exist)?
780G complaints:
C1. No DX 10.1 support, you might think this is irrelevant but considering that the HD 2000 series is probably DX 10.1 capable and that the GPU is named HD 3200, I can still complain.:p
C2. I thought the HD 3000 series were named as such due to their DX 10.1 support, it turns out they earned their name change by being built with 55nm.
C3. No TV-out, SCART if AMD's listening.
Motherboard complaints:
C4. No Local Frame Buffer.
C5. Unnecessarily pathetic NB heatsink.
C6. Only 4 USB ports.
C7. No SPDIF in.
C8. Not DTX! (I thought this was supposed to be cheaper to manufacture?)
I had a completely different experience with HQV, I can't speak for the tech report because it's an interpretation system not a number thrown out like 3DMark. We had all sorts of trouble with the 780G and non with the G35 - I discussed it in depth with AMD.
AMD can support one TDMS - it has to flick between either HDMI and DVI.
It's the UVD version from the HD 3000 series.
The PCI Express link is NOT fused together - I discussed this specifically with the product manager who confirmed it with a 780G engineer at AMD: they said you could do CrossFire if was wanted..
Southbridge - tech? 55nm TSMC CMOS.
Just one die exists afaik, then certain features are locked out on the 780V.
C1 - no point, it's a non-feature-feature at the best of times, especially on integrated graphics which barely has enough power for anything DX10 anyway.
TV out is HDMI - it's the HD series.
C5 - I don't see how it's unnecessary
C6 - yet a very mixed rear I/O and there's plenty of USB on board. 4-6 is standard, 4 especially in micro ATX.
C8 - who cares? everything is micro and it's cheap enough already.
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi It's the UVD version from the HD 3000 series.
Is this the same one as the HD 2000 series?
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Southbridge - tech? 55nm TSMC CMOS.
Just one die exists afaik, then certain features are locked out on the 780V.
55nm... well that's small.
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Just one die exists afaik, then certain features are locked out on the 780V.
Maybe I wasn't specific enough I meant the all of the 7-series so I'm guessing:
die a used for 790FX
die b used for 790X and 770
die c used for 780G and 780V
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
C1 - no point, it's a non-feature-feature at the best of times, especially on integrated graphics which barely has enough power for anything DX10 anyway.
TV out is HDMI - it's the HD series.
C5 - I don't see how it's unnecessary
C6 - yet a very mixed rear I/O and there's plenty of USB on board. 4-6 is standard, 4 especially in micro ATX.
C8 - who cares? everything is micro and it's cheap enough already.
Complaints! I didn't expect replies to complaints, I'm not complaining but still.
C1 - I know, but it's not exactly a non-feature, in this case maybe (where DX 10 also is), but not in the best of times.
I don't know enough to comment on the practical importance of DX 10.1 but I can say that R600 based hardware would probably cope better with DX 10.1 than with DX 10; look at the second table on this page (and remove a third of the GeForce's FLOPS), R6xx suddenly doesn't seem to have quite the texture deficit it once did (the second column uses Int8 - DX 10, the third uses Int16 - DX 10.1). DX 10.1 also adds Gather4 which I think is a DirectX implementation of Fetch4 (found in Radeon hardware only) and with support for cube map arrays etc. etc. DX 10.1 is probably more shader intensive than DX 10 which should all help bring a game closer to the R600, RV670 dream ratio of 4 shader ops for every texture op.
C3 - True but the last time I checked the HD 3000 series still had VIVO and besides it's the the only thing keeping the 780G from being used with a SDTV (apart from the fact that it has 10x more processing power than necessary).
C5 - I meant it's (unnecessarily) small, but agreed the NB heatsink is required, it should just be a bit bigger.
C6- I know, it's a complaint, besides how much would it cost to add another 2 ports, there's only 12/2 to choose from.
C8 - I'm guessing the people who like mini-ITX care, after all why does a computer need to be as big as even micro ATX? (Other than to fit in long graphic cards, I completely forgot about that.)
I'll start posting my replies with less than a 25 hour interval from now on ;).
I know but presumably the 690G will be phased out. Regardless of that it doesn't have the UVD (or TV-out) while the 780G has the UVD and although it might seem pointless to play HDTV on a SDTV if somebody wanted to (or output to a SDTV for any reason) they would have to buy another graphic card merely to output the signal. I just think it's the only thing letting the 780G down.
About DTX... okay it's pointless. I was thinking DTX kept the distance between the back panel and the front of the board constant at 17 cm and varied the expansion slots between 2 (Mini-DTX) and 4 (DTX). Turns out the expansion slots are kept constant at 2 and the width of the board is varied between 24.4 cm (DTX) and 17 cm (Mini-DTX).
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Perhaps the specs for the PSU but there nothing you can run on a PS3 that gets near that.
So are we stuck waiting for a de-CSS type program to come along before Linux can play the media?
Surely not if you can download ripped BluRay films?
the more difficult it is to crack the sooner they will crack it....
The 'PS2' inside of the PS3 was really just a single chip, so I'm not sure that removing it really decreased power usage. According to Wikipedia, this chip consumes 15W at 1.8v, so even if it was on all the time, there really would be no difference.
All cores at 100%, HDD going mad, NIC getting leathered, Bluray working flat out etc.
Realistically, that's not likely to happen all at once.
If I can run that CPU with a nice, quiet HSF, and if it is all cheap, I think I'll be upgrading my media PC very soon.
http://www.jwele.com/news_detail.php?253
The AMD CPU's thrashed everything from intel until they brought out the Core marchitecture.
And what do you think drove Intel to making such a good range of processors?
It sure wasn't the overwhelming desire to make us all happy, it was because they wanted our money to go to them instead of AMD and so they had to beat the AMD CPUs.
ie, competition drives forward the technoology bringing better and cheaper tech to us.
No competition, no point in spending so much on R&D etc when they can sit back and reap the rewards of being the only manufacturer.
Makes you sound like an immature know-it-all teenager though. ;)
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AMD rocked with Duron and Athlon up to Socket A and through 939. It was Intel having a relatively huge stake in Compilers which gave them the advantage.
Should be fine, thats effectively the setup I have but using a 690G chipset which uses more power plus I have 1 PCI and2 USB tuners.
Talking of slides as being an accurate way of transferring information I'm particularly interested by this one and although not a slide this is still rather interesting - somewhat conflicting with Bit-tech's (HD) HQV results aren't they :?
Now for an efficient list of questions and complaints:
Q1. Can the 780G support 2 TMDS/VGA outputs at the same time?
Q2. What version of the UVD are we on now?
Q3. Is the x16 PCIe link fused together? Just asking as although Bindibadgi (how did you ever come up with this name?) said it wasn't, Hothardware claimed it was in their review.
Q4. What technology is the southbridge built with?
Q5. Does the SB700 have an IR connection?
Q6. What dies do AMD's northbridges use and for that matter how many are there (does the 740G exist)?
780G complaints:
C1. No DX 10.1 support, you might think this is irrelevant but considering that the HD 2000 series is probably DX 10.1 capable and that the GPU is named HD 3200, I can still complain.:p
C2. I thought the HD 3000 series were named as such due to their DX 10.1 support, it turns out they earned their name change by being built with 55nm.
C3. No TV-out, SCART if AMD's listening.
Motherboard complaints:
C4. No Local Frame Buffer.
C5. Unnecessarily pathetic NB heatsink.
C6. Only 4 USB ports.
C7. No SPDIF in.
C8. Not DTX! (I thought this was supposed to be cheaper to manufacture?)
Just thought I'd add this on at the end HyperTransport speed affecting 3DMark06 score
Dude i have used a ton of AMD processors in my life and i can tell you each and every single one of them are garbage. not matter how hard they try they will never beat intel. so what if intel are singles like you mentioned, they are still faster and better. This is a proven fact - the best quad AMD runs around 450 while an Intel is around 1,400 - i think theres a significant. even if there both overclocked the intel would still be better. You get what you pay for.................... dumbass, AMD SUCKS!!!!
Looking back further, Pentium 3 and the initial Athlon's were about level pegging, with the Athlon XP finally taking the baton. It wasn't until the Core marchitecture exploded onto the scene that Intel took the baton back and are still riding high.
I had a completely different experience with HQV, I can't speak for the tech report because it's an interpretation system not a number thrown out like 3DMark. We had all sorts of trouble with the 780G and non with the G35 - I discussed it in depth with AMD.
AMD can support one TDMS - it has to flick between either HDMI and DVI.
It's the UVD version from the HD 3000 series.
The PCI Express link is NOT fused together - I discussed this specifically with the product manager who confirmed it with a 780G engineer at AMD: they said you could do CrossFire if was wanted..
Southbridge - tech? 55nm TSMC CMOS.
Just one die exists afaik, then certain features are locked out on the 780V.
C1 - no point, it's a non-feature-feature at the best of times, especially on integrated graphics which barely has enough power for anything DX10 anyway.
TV out is HDMI - it's the HD series.
C5 - I don't see how it's unnecessary
C6 - yet a very mixed rear I/O and there's plenty of USB on board. 4-6 is standard, 4 especially in micro ATX.
C8 - who cares? everything is micro and it's cheap enough already.
55nm... well that's small.
Maybe I wasn't specific enough I meant the all of the 7-series so I'm guessing:
die a used for 790FX
die b used for 790X and 770
die c used for 780G and 780V
Complaints! I didn't expect replies to complaints, I'm not complaining but still.
C1 - I know, but it's not exactly a non-feature, in this case maybe (where DX 10 also is), but not in the best of times.
I don't know enough to comment on the practical importance of DX 10.1 but I can say that R600 based hardware would probably cope better with DX 10.1 than with DX 10; look at the second table on this page (and remove a third of the GeForce's FLOPS), R6xx suddenly doesn't seem to have quite the texture deficit it once did (the second column uses Int8 - DX 10, the third uses Int16 - DX 10.1). DX 10.1 also adds Gather4 which I think is a DirectX implementation of Fetch4 (found in Radeon hardware only) and with support for cube map arrays etc. etc. DX 10.1 is probably more shader intensive than DX 10 which should all help bring a game closer to the R600, RV670 dream ratio of 4 shader ops for every texture op.
C3 - True but the last time I checked the HD 3000 series still had VIVO and besides it's the the only thing keeping the 780G from being used with a SDTV (apart from the fact that it has 10x more processing power than necessary).
C5 - I meant it's (unnecessarily) small, but agreed the NB heatsink is required, it should just be a bit bigger.
C6- I know, it's a complaint, besides how much would it cost to add another 2 ports, there's only 12/2 to choose from.
C8 - I'm guessing the people who like mini-ITX care, after all why does a computer need to be as big as even micro ATX? (Other than to fit in long graphic cards, I completely forgot about that.)
I'll start posting my replies with less than a 25 hour interval from now on ;).
About DTX... okay it's pointless. I was thinking DTX kept the distance between the back panel and the front of the board constant at 17 cm and varied the expansion slots between 2 (Mini-DTX) and 4 (DTX). Turns out the expansion slots are kept constant at 2 and the width of the board is varied between 24.4 cm (DTX) and 17 cm (Mini-DTX).