that BFG card is very nice, that'd be the one i buy if i don't have my GTX......... but seeing GTX is still the KING, i'd hold off upgrading and wait for 9800GTX :)
the heatsink on these looks ace! i love how they've removed the vents, so now the user can put a card next to their graphics card without worrying the hot air cooking it for dinner.
by the way, anyone know how many heatpipes does GTX have?
so, am i right in saying the new GTS is a shader powerhouse that lacks in memory bandwidth?
and that an overclocked GTX can beat GTS 512MB no problem?
when useing SLI or cards like the 7950 GX2 1gb (bit of an lie ,that infact is 512MB per card) Each card has its set limit and that is per card getting 2 cards does not double the amout of ram that can be used as both cards need the same textures
256mb cards in SLI perform poory and have to have lower texture settings to make them fit 256mb
So, the next question is: When is NVidia going to take the basis of this GPU, add more SPs to it, and add back the 256-bit bus from the GTX? That would be a killer card.
192 SPs, 256-bit memory bus (Or higher), 768 (Or 1024) MB Memory, clock the heck out of it, wipe the floor with everything for the NEXT 2 years...
Heck, something like that, it'd have enough raw compute power to run OpenRT!
i paid 290 for my gt...evga superclocked...cheapest i see this is on newegg for 360. so a $70 increase (23% or so) for 5-10% performance increase. the only thing i could see is maybe the oc headroom is better due to the better cooling solution. any chance of an oc run on it tim?
Originally Posted by trig i paid 290 for my gt...evga superclocked...cheapest i see this is on newegg for 360. so a $70 increase (23% or so) for 5-10% performance increase. the only thing i could see is maybe the oc headroom is better due to the better cooling solution. any chance of an oc run on it tim?
I'll have some OCing on some of these cards soon. :)
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Originally Posted by Anakha So, the next question is: When is NVidia going to take the basis of this GPU, add more SPs to it, and add back the 256-bit bus from the GTX? That would be a killer card.
192 SPs, 256-bit memory bus (Or higher), 768 (Or 1024) MB Memory, clock the heck out of it, wipe the floor with everything for the NEXT 2 years...
Heck, something like that, it'd have enough raw compute power to run OpenRT!
I've got some ideas for the next high-end chip, but it'd be nothing but speculation at this time... educated speculation mind you. I'm thinking a 192SP part at the high end.
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Originally Posted by Arkanrais Is that supposed to be there or did I miss something?
Thanks for that spot - was a C&P error :o
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Originally Posted by lamboman I personally don't believe that the card is good value enough to be a better choice than the GT. But that is just me.
I agree, I think the GT is a fantastic product and this isn't all that much faster to make it worth the upgrade... if I was going for the GTS, I'd probably go the whole way and get a GTX unless I needed the video processing hardware on the GTS/GT.
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Originally Posted by Major I reckon overclocking the new GTS would bring some decent results! Would kill the GT with the new cooling.
But the GTX looks good on some games.
@ Bit-Tech - What do you think I should purchase? GTS or GTX? I have a 22" monitor.
I'd probably go with the GTS, but then it depends on your budget and I honestly wouldn't bother with anything that isn't stock clocked at the moment (unless it's at a VERY GOOD price), as it's just going to get too close to the GTX and I'd say that is more likely to suit your needs in the long run (more memory bandwidth and higher fill/AA sample rates).
I like the way you included the whole "Volt mod and EK block" bit; something you'd encourage/condone?
I know if I was in the market for a new card I would buy an 8800gt or with a higher budget a 8800GTX (the 8800GTS just is not worth it when you consider the £10 difference).
I really don't know what to do myself though. At the moment, I have pretty high clocks on my GTS 640MB (see sig) and I seem to bench (in real world testing anyways) pretty close to a stock clocked GTX.
I think I'm probably best waiting to see what the new year brings for Nvidia and whether or not their recent years trouncing of AMD/ATi sees them resting on their laurels a little. Though with your (educated) guess of 192SP being touted, that seems unlikely and hopefully we'll see another gem. I mean it's been over a year now since the 8800GTX was released and nothing yet has bettered it. With that in mind the "9800" series should be something pretty special.
Or maybe if I can pick up a real cheap 8800GTS 640MB, I'll whack another in for some SLi fun.
Originally Posted by wuyanxu don't forget you can overclock a GTX as well
Exactly, it makes me laugh that people seem to forget this. I have a 8800GTS that I've overclocked to run as well as a 8800GTX in real world testing (in most cases). However, it doesn't mean my 8800GTS is as "good" as a GTX cos I could overclock a GTX to Ultra speeds and so on...
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu what, 235 for a GTX?!?
haha, my friend with eVGA GTX was trying to sell his for 270 on ebay, no one bought it. he has now lost more 35 in a week :O
Shocking isn't it? It's a one week only offer, and it is a no frills, own brand. But still... it's £235 and comes with a years warranty. I'd rather go for that than your mates second-hand EVGA at £210 let alone £270! Poor fella.
Originally Posted by WhiskeyAlpha Good to see you agree Tim :D
I'm half tempted to buy one myself to go with my other GTX... It'll mean getting a 680i mobo instead of my P5B Deluxe, but I've got to reinstall Windows soon anyway as I'm upgrading from 32-bit Vista to 64-bit. Hmmm, tempter.
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I like the way you included the whole "Volt mod and EK block" bit; something you'd encourage/condone?
I used to volt mod motherboards/graphics cards back in the days of Socket A/9600 XT/9800 SE... I'll have to find some pictures some day. :)
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I know if I was in the market for a new card I would buy an 8800gt or with a higher budget a 8800GTX (the 8800GTS just is not worth it when you consider the £10 difference).
I really don't know what to do myself though. At the moment, I have pretty high clocks on my GTS 640MB (see sig) and I seem to bench (in real world testing anyways) pretty close to a stock clocked GTX.
I think I'm probably best waiting to see what the new year brings for Nvidia and whether or not their recent years trouncing of AMD/ATi sees them resting on their laurels a little. Though with your (educated) guess of 192SP being touted, that seems unlikely and hopefully we'll see another gem. I mean it's been over a year now since the 8800GTX was released and nothing yet has bettered it. With that in mind the "9800" series should be something pretty special.
Or maybe if I can pick up a real cheap 8800GTS 640MB, I'll whack another in for some SLi fun.
It depends if you're happy with your current gaming performance... if not, you'd get some more performance out of either the GTX or the new GTS.
If I could actually buy a GT for under £150 I'd have been seriously tempted to do it already.
The GTX at £235 is somewhat tempting too with the way things are actually going.
Though with a new release coming up in a couple months, I can only hazard a guess at 89xx or 9xxx series coming out, which might just make it all a little moot anyway. :(
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Just occurred to me that the 90nm GTX likely won't have nearly as much headroom for overclocking as the 65nm parts.
I know when the GT hit I read through some forums on overclocking results and it seemed like the GT could hit towards 750 core with watercooling applied reasonably reliably and there seemed to be some consensus that it was probably then limited by voltage below what it was genuinely capable of, with one person doing a volt-mod and getting something like 850! initially. From the sounds of it the GTS 512 comes with beefier voltage regulators out of the box ?
Originally Posted by Tim S I'm half tempted to buy one myself to go with my other GTX... It'll mean getting a 680i mobo instead of my P5B Deluxe, but I've got to reinstall Windows soon anyway as I'm upgrading from 32-bit Vista to 64-bit. Hmmm, tempter.
Oooh, thinking of jumping on the 680i train eh? As I'm sure you're more than aware, it could be a painful ride. 4 boards RMA'd in 4 months for me, with 2 of those being DOA :)
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Originally Posted by Tim S I used to volt mod motherboards/graphics cards back in the days of Socket A/9600 XT/9800 SE... I'll have to find some pictures some day. :)
Dig out the pics! Give me a look at those soldering skills!
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Originally Posted by Tim S It depends if you're happy with your current gaming performance... if not, you'd get some more performance out of either the GTX or the new GTS.
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Originally Posted by Bladestorm Just occurred to me that the 90nm GTX likely won't have nearly as much headroom for overclocking as the 65nm parts.
I know when the GT hit I read through some forums on overclocking results and it seemed like the GT could hit towards 750 core with watercooling applied reasonably reliably and there seemed to be some consensus that it was probably then limited by voltage below what it was genuinely capable of, with one person doing a volt-mod and getting something like 850! initially. From the sounds of it the GTS 512 comes with beefier voltage regulators out of the box ?
The truth is the GTS almost certainly will overclock better (in terms of %) than the 8800GTX, but the question is, how is it relative to performance? By this I mean the 768MB GDDR3 & 320bit memory bus of the GTX is clearly less prone to being saturated than the 512MB GDDR3 & 256bit memory bus of the GTS.
Here's one to argue over - Does an overclock, as a percentage, directly correlate with the same increase in performance, again as a percentage? At what point does the GTS become limited by it's memory bus, when overclocked?
I guess what I'm getting at here is will the GTS see diminishing returns, performance wise, before the GTX in an overclocked scenario??
Originally Posted by WhiskeyAlpha The truth is the GTS almost certainly will overclock better (in terms of %) than the 8800GTX, but the question is, how is it relative to performance? By this I mean the 768MB GDDR3 & 320bit memory bus of the GTX is clearly less prone to being saturated than the 512MB GDDR3 & 256bit memory bus of the GTS.
Here's one to argue over - Does an overclock, as a percentage, directly correlate with the same increase in performance, again as a percentage? At what point does the GTS become limited by it's memory bus, when overclocked?
I guess what I'm getting at here is will the GTS see diminishing returns, performance wise, before the GTX in an overclocked scenario??
It will be a good long time before I move past 1680*1050, so for the time being at least, the memory shouldn't factor in significantly if the scores seen in reviews like bit-techs are anything to go by (where the GTX begins to pull away more than 10% or so over a GT for instance, seems to be limited to about two rungs or more up the resolution ladder)
How things go in a year or two is another story of course, though with all the 512mb cards (and 320's before them) going out these days I shouldn't think game developers will jump to anything that can only be run decently with 768+ any time soon.
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the heatsink on these looks ace! i love how they've removed the vents, so now the user can put a card next to their graphics card without worrying the hot air cooking it for dinner.
by the way, anyone know how many heatpipes does GTX have?
so, am i right in saying the new GTS is a shader powerhouse that lacks in memory bandwidth?
and that an overclocked GTX can beat GTS 512MB no problem?
I guess?
But then you can OC the GTS.
256mb cards in SLI perform poory and have to have lower texture settings to make them fit 256mb
192 SPs, 256-bit memory bus (Or higher), 768 (Or 1024) MB Memory, clock the heck out of it, wipe the floor with everything for the NEXT 2 years...
Heck, something like that, it'd have enough raw compute power to run OpenRT!
Which brand mate?
There is something new coming, as we reported here, but I don't know what GPU it's based on or any real details of it atm.
Sorry I've been a bit slow answering questions... you'll see why shortly. ;)
Kinda puts the £225 for a new GTS into perspective huh?
Infact, I might even get one myself, volt mod it, stick my EK block on it and have some chrimbo fun :)
I like the way you included the whole "Volt mod and EK block" bit; something you'd encourage/condone?
I know if I was in the market for a new card I would buy an 8800gt or with a higher budget a 8800GTX (the 8800GTS just is not worth it when you consider the £10 difference).
I really don't know what to do myself though. At the moment, I have pretty high clocks on my GTS 640MB (see sig) and I seem to bench (in real world testing anyways) pretty close to a stock clocked GTX.
I think I'm probably best waiting to see what the new year brings for Nvidia and whether or not their recent years trouncing of AMD/ATi sees them resting on their laurels a little. Though with your (educated) guess of 192SP being touted, that seems unlikely and hopefully we'll see another gem. I mean it's been over a year now since the 8800GTX was released and nothing yet has bettered it. With that in mind the "9800" series should be something pretty special.
Or maybe if I can pick up a real cheap 8800GTS 640MB, I'll whack another in for some SLi fun.
what, 235 for a GTX?!?
haha, my friend with eVGA GTX was trying to sell his for 270 on ebay, no one bought it. he has now lost more 35 in a week :O
Exactly, it makes me laugh that people seem to forget this. I have a 8800GTS that I've overclocked to run as well as a 8800GTX in real world testing (in most cases). However, it doesn't mean my 8800GTS is as "good" as a GTX cos I could overclock a GTX to Ultra speeds and so on...
Shocking isn't it? It's a one week only offer, and it is a no frills, own brand. But still... it's £235 and comes with a years warranty. I'd rather go for that than your mates second-hand EVGA at £210 let alone £270! Poor fella.
If I buy the GTX OEM, I won't be able to do it.
It depends if you're happy with your current gaming performance... if not, you'd get some more performance out of either the GTX or the new GTS.
If I could actually buy a GT for under £150 I'd have been seriously tempted to do it already.
The GTX at £235 is somewhat tempting too with the way things are actually going.
Though with a new release coming up in a couple months, I can only hazard a guess at 89xx or 9xxx series coming out, which might just make it all a little moot anyway. :(
Edit add:
Just occurred to me that the 90nm GTX likely won't have nearly as much headroom for overclocking as the 65nm parts.
I know when the GT hit I read through some forums on overclocking results and it seemed like the GT could hit towards 750 core with watercooling applied reasonably reliably and there seemed to be some consensus that it was probably then limited by voltage below what it was genuinely capable of, with one person doing a volt-mod and getting something like 850! initially. From the sounds of it the GTS 512 comes with beefier voltage regulators out of the box ?
GTX?
Oooh, thinking of jumping on the 680i train eh? As I'm sure you're more than aware, it could be a painful ride. 4 boards RMA'd in 4 months for me, with 2 of those being DOA :)
Dig out the pics! Give me a look at those soldering skills!
The truth is the GTS almost certainly will overclock better (in terms of %) than the 8800GTX, but the question is, how is it relative to performance? By this I mean the 768MB GDDR3 & 320bit memory bus of the GTX is clearly less prone to being saturated than the 512MB GDDR3 & 256bit memory bus of the GTS.
Here's one to argue over - Does an overclock, as a percentage, directly correlate with the same increase in performance, again as a percentage? At what point does the GTS become limited by it's memory bus, when overclocked?
I guess what I'm getting at here is will the GTS see diminishing returns, performance wise, before the GTX in an overclocked scenario??
It will be a good long time before I move past 1680*1050, so for the time being at least, the memory shouldn't factor in significantly if the scores seen in reviews like bit-techs are anything to go by (where the GTX begins to pull away more than 10% or so over a GT for instance, seems to be limited to about two rungs or more up the resolution ladder)
How things go in a year or two is another story of course, though with all the 512mb cards (and 320's before them) going out these days I shouldn't think game developers will jump to anything that can only be run decently with 768+ any time soon.
I'd rather buy a eVGA GTS than a OCuK GTX due to warrantys etc.