Urgh, the TJ07 aesthetics are awful. I hate the rounded top, bottom and curvy bit in the middle. The Lian has elegance with a dash of boldness. Sure, it's square but it works.
It all depends whether you want big and brash or light and elegant - you can't convince people either way and if you're not a Lian fan you're not going to like it from the get-go.
We've got another cube from Lian in, but this one is far smaller and cuter :)
well.. the TJ07 is the only case known to me (excluding mountainmods cases due to price (shipment to europe from usa just not really affordable)where you can fit a 360 rad internally without much modding, so it certainly has its apeal.
@bindi any chance that your referring to the v350?
Would you (Da Dego) be referring to the Cooler-Master rip off TJ03, ex-server-case TJ05, or hideously overpriced TJ07?
It's the attention to detail that really hooked me on Lian-Li, along with the lines of the V-1000. You can tell that a lot of thought went into everything, from the CD drive bezels to the rounded and/or covered edges on the inside. Look at the side panels on the V-1000. The engineers wanted a smooth, flat plate, without screwheads or bends, so they flipped the conventional slit-and-tab design around, and put the tabs on a sliding bar inside the case. They (and not Antec) were the first to play with putting the PSU in a separate area, down with the hard drives. The blank CD faceplates mount in two spots, rather than Silverstone's one, so the faceplates can't rotate - they just click into place and they're flush with the front. Also, because they click into place rather than screw down, you don't have to worry about stripping one out.
The next stage in any case review we do is to test the chassis until the screws melt and collapses under the strain, forming a molten pile of mess which we then re-forge into official Bit-tech memorabilia which we sell at black market auctions in order to pay for the expensive lifestyle to which we have become accustomed.
lol'ed... I want memorabilia !! Where can I find some ?
Nice case, but does not stand out much from the crowd (it DOES look nice, still).
I'll confess, I'm a Li-Li fan. But I can also admit I like a lot of Silverstone's stuff. If the price is not an issue, I like the 07, 09, or even the 10...which is basically an 09 with a front door. The older Silvers were cool too. The Kublai series doesn't do it for me though. Look weird, IMHO.
I believe you need to post an "update" to your review of the Lian Li PC-B25 to correct your errors.
You incorrectly stated that it has two 80mm fans in front, but I believe it you will check, they are actually two 120mm fans.
You did not pick up on the correct use of the screw stubs on the PSU bracket for holding the PSU exhaust shroud, and had negative things to say about that. You should clarify what these are actually for and not penalize Lian Li for "your trouble".
Also please check and report whether or not the front cover is removable and if there are any air filters in front of the two front fans.
Thanks for your review.
being an owner of a V2000B+ i have to say, lian li cases are pretty damn nice
However, they certainly come at a premium, I'm not convinced they are worth the premium though
I prefer my case, with its 7 5 1/4" bays, and like 12 HDD bays, but to each his own :p
P.s. i don't know why the changed the HDD mounting system
On my case, you bolt 4 odd bolts in, then slide the drive into a groove, and then pull down a catch which holds the HDD in place, quick, easy, painless, but technically not silent, not that i notice the noise of the HDD's
i bought a lian li a05b and the only thing i don't like very much is the quality of the fans...they are too noisy...anyway i'll change them with 2 noctua or papst :)
An other thing i want to point out. My case too had the side panels hard to remove first time but after 2 times they are normal!
Originally Posted by joseph42 I believe you need to post an "update" to your review of the Lian Li PC-B25 to correct your errors.
You incorrectly stated that it has two 80mm fans in front, but I believe it you will check, they are actually two 120mm fans.
You did not pick up on the correct use of the screw stubs on the PSU bracket for holding the PSU exhaust shroud, and had negative things to say about that. You should clarify what these are actually for and not penalize Lian Li for "your trouble".
Also please check and report whether or not the front cover is removable and if there are any air filters in front of the two front fans.
Thanks for your review.
Joe
Welcome!
All valid points and I've amended the review accordingly. The front can be removed by unscrewing four screws and there are some loose filters for large dust particles, but nothing to stop little bits.
just like to point out the cut outs in the top section to run the psu cable through and then the other cut out lower down to feed them back to the mother board. using these would seriously reduce the amount of cable clutter and probably get better cooling results for the case. not bad case. crap side panels.
A bit of a mess. I didn't see any mention of the special clips pictured elsewhere that hold the psu leads out of sight behind the motherboard tray. To me, that's an amazing design feature which I haven't seen anywhere else before. The rounded holes in the psu area and on the motherboard tray look like they facilitate this case cleanliness and I'd wager that, given a rethink about where the cables were intended to be routed in the case, it'd knock a few degrees off your temperature tests.
It does look sexy, although not a worthy upgrade from a P180. The only trouble with a P180 is, once you've got it loaded up it becomes a pretty immovable object!
Don't worry - for testing I had the cables all tucked away. Unfortunately, afterwards I took the heatsink and HDD out, disconnected the fans and only THEN realised I didn't have any pictures of the hardware inside. Put it all back in in a hurry to take the above pics - which I wasn't happy to do, but had to settle with due to other commitments.
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Trouble? That's a security feature!
"Where's my PC gone?" /looks for the dents of drag marks in the floor.
that's the feature i thought of when i bought my p182, so i can always find it :)
seriously, why is it so heavy? it took me all my strength to get it up-stairs (im a PC gamer) and after building it, i shall need to drag it downstairs, into the car, and then up-stairs again, this time fully loaded! how am i going to survive that?
its so heavy because its made of relatively thick cold-rolled steel. most other cases of similar size are at least partially aluminum, the P180 has no aluminum to my knowledge (except non-structural detailing)
To be totallly honest, I thought you made a right hash of that review. I'd been keeping a look out waiting for the first review to come along and I ended up in the hands of someone who really couldn't be bothered and had pretty little interest in what he was doing (badly).
You shouldn't have even bothered putting the gear back in it for a photo because you couldn't have made it look any worse if you tried! The cable management is a worthy part of a case review anyway
The side panel is that shape because it's filled with sound deadening materials, did you mention that?
Did you mention the hardrive cage can be turned 180 degrees? did you know it could?
Vented pci slot covers?
Is the PSU cover meant to have a big gap under it?
How did you not even notice the front fans weren't 120mm!?
and as already said: why no photo of "the only burst of colour from the large blue ring on the bottom of the door which lights up when the PC is turned on" cripes,
Were you literally putting your shoes and coat on as you were reviewing this case!?
Isn't that graphics card pretty much passively cooled apart from a slow fan? wouldn't that add to the increased temps of the card? although I think those temps are pretty good really. My 8800GTS runs on idle at around 70degrees at stock fan speed in my case!! Ha, which is why I'm looking!
You should have added an extra category to your rating selection: Effort! you coulda given yourself one then :P
It had to be said though, no offence intended...
.... it was just good to see a few more photos of it :)
My thinking is; (if you haven't already dived into a reply to flame me) remove the whole harddrive cage and get the lian-li EX-23N fan cooled x3 harddrive cage for the top rack, the TR-3 in the floppy bay controlling temps/fans (and nice little blue screenage) leaving room for one dvd drive. That then leaves loads of airway in the bottom (ooer missus) from the front 2x120mm fans. or leaving room for a dual rad in the front.
Of course mod that blue light to red! and put red fans in the front for a red glow through the front doors side vents!
well I'm sold :D
A great compact stylish tower for the front room! Not everyone wants thermaltake cakka bling'd up to the eyeballs or a server with great big radiators hanging off the side of them in their front room! (or anywhere for that matter)
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It all depends whether you want big and brash or light and elegant - you can't convince people either way and if you're not a Lian fan you're not going to like it from the get-go.
We've got another cube from Lian in, but this one is far smaller and cuter :)
@bindi any chance that your referring to the v350?
It's the attention to detail that really hooked me on Lian-Li, along with the lines of the V-1000. You can tell that a lot of thought went into everything, from the CD drive bezels to the rounded and/or covered edges on the inside. Look at the side panels on the V-1000. The engineers wanted a smooth, flat plate, without screwheads or bends, so they flipped the conventional slit-and-tab design around, and put the tabs on a sliding bar inside the case. They (and not Antec) were the first to play with putting the PSU in a separate area, down with the hard drives. The blank CD faceplates mount in two spots, rather than Silverstone's one, so the faceplates can't rotate - they just click into place and they're flush with the front. Also, because they click into place rather than screw down, you don't have to worry about stripping one out.
Thanks for this review.
lol'ed... I want memorabilia !! Where can I find some ?
Nice case, but does not stand out much from the crowd (it DOES look nice, still).
You incorrectly stated that it has two 80mm fans in front, but I believe it you will check, they are actually two 120mm fans.
You did not pick up on the correct use of the screw stubs on the PSU bracket for holding the PSU exhaust shroud, and had negative things to say about that. You should clarify what these are actually for and not penalize Lian Li for "your trouble".
Also please check and report whether or not the front cover is removable and if there are any air filters in front of the two front fans.
Thanks for your review.
Joe
being an owner of a V2000B+ i have to say, lian li cases are pretty damn nice
However, they certainly come at a premium, I'm not convinced they are worth the premium though
I prefer my case, with its 7 5 1/4" bays, and like 12 HDD bays, but to each his own :p
P.s. i don't know why the changed the HDD mounting system
On my case, you bolt 4 odd bolts in, then slide the drive into a groove, and then pull down a catch which holds the HDD in place, quick, easy, painless, but technically not silent, not that i notice the noise of the HDD's
Edit
Also, if i wanted a plane, id rather have an F15 with 3d thrust vectoring - *drool*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:F-15-vector.jpg
An other thing i want to point out. My case too had the side panels hard to remove first time but after 2 times they are normal!
Welcome!
All valid points and I've amended the review accordingly. The front can be removed by unscrewing four screws and there are some loose filters for large dust particles, but nothing to stop little bits.
You could have used those holes in your testing maybe the heat performance would be better then . Atleast it would have looked less messy.
http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/2007/09/lian-li_pc-b25/xb.jpg
A bit of a mess. I didn't see any mention of the special clips pictured elsewhere that hold the psu leads out of sight behind the motherboard tray. To me, that's an amazing design feature which I haven't seen anywhere else before. The rounded holes in the psu area and on the motherboard tray look like they facilitate this case cleanliness and I'd wager that, given a rethink about where the cables were intended to be routed in the case, it'd knock a few degrees off your temperature tests.
It does look sexy, although not a worthy upgrade from a P180. The only trouble with a P180 is, once you've got it loaded up it becomes a pretty immovable object!
Trouble? That's a security feature!
"Where's my PC gone?" /looks for the dents of drag marks in the floor.
Those are the clips.
Don't worry - for testing I had the cables all tucked away. Unfortunately, afterwards I took the heatsink and HDD out, disconnected the fans and only THEN realised I didn't have any pictures of the hardware inside. Put it all back in in a hurry to take the above pics - which I wasn't happy to do, but had to settle with due to other commitments.
And lol @ bindi. Good point :D
seriously, why is it so heavy? it took me all my strength to get it up-stairs (im a PC gamer) and after building it, i shall need to drag it downstairs, into the car, and then up-stairs again, this time fully loaded! how am i going to survive that?
You shouldn't have even bothered putting the gear back in it for a photo because you couldn't have made it look any worse if you tried! The cable management is a worthy part of a case review anyway
The side panel is that shape because it's filled with sound deadening materials, did you mention that?
Did you mention the hardrive cage can be turned 180 degrees? did you know it could?
Vented pci slot covers?
Is the PSU cover meant to have a big gap under it?
How did you not even notice the front fans weren't 120mm!?
and as already said: why no photo of "the only burst of colour from the large blue ring on the bottom of the door which lights up when the PC is turned on" cripes,
Were you literally putting your shoes and coat on as you were reviewing this case!?
Isn't that graphics card pretty much passively cooled apart from a slow fan? wouldn't that add to the increased temps of the card? although I think those temps are pretty good really. My 8800GTS runs on idle at around 70degrees at stock fan speed in my case!! Ha, which is why I'm looking!
You should have added an extra category to your rating selection: Effort! you coulda given yourself one then :P
It had to be said though, no offence intended...
.... it was just good to see a few more photos of it :)
I did enjoy the big handprint on the door :) http://www.bit-tech.net/content_images/2007/09/lian-li_pc-b25/b13.jpg
My thinking is; (if you haven't already dived into a reply to flame me) remove the whole harddrive cage and get the lian-li EX-23N fan cooled x3 harddrive cage for the top rack, the TR-3 in the floppy bay controlling temps/fans (and nice little blue screenage) leaving room for one dvd drive. That then leaves loads of airway in the bottom (ooer missus) from the front 2x120mm fans. or leaving room for a dual rad in the front.
Of course mod that blue light to red! and put red fans in the front for a red glow through the front doors side vents!
well I'm sold :D
A great compact stylish tower for the front room! Not everyone wants thermaltake cakka bling'd up to the eyeballs or a server with great big radiators hanging off the side of them in their front room! (or anywhere for that matter)