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Commodore XX Gaming PC

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Andy Mc 31st July 2007, 14:46 Quote
Not quite as good as I was hoping for :( oh well.

It's a shame as I can see the new owners tarnishing the commodore name again...........
Bindibadgi 31st July 2007, 14:48 Quote
I don't think so; they do very well for a small company, but it's got to compete with the big boys that's all.
DougEdey 31st July 2007, 15:14 Quote
Bindi: you need to stop biting your nails ;)

Case looks good, shame it's a skin :(
Bindibadgi 31st July 2007, 15:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Bindi: you need to stop biting your nails ;)

I cut, not bite ;) It's just because I'm pressing in on it :D
Darkedge 31st July 2007, 15:30 Quote
case looks tacky and very plastic y - actually what i've always thought of commodore, shiny but lacking substance.

Sorry.

Don't think the actual hardware is that good a deal either. C-
The_Pope 31st July 2007, 15:42 Quote
In the metal, it's not really "tacky" at all and it's certainly NOT a skin, in the traditional sense. A lot of the visual impression is down to the design - shame that Commodore chose to send this particular one, rather than one of the sh*t-hot game-themed cases. They look the business AND have the same baked-hard finish (vasty superior to the CaseSkins of yore)
Mars 31st July 2007, 16:03 Quote
So a Commodore is now just a high spec PC rather than their own platform ?

Doent seem the same does it ?

The only reason to buy over something else would be for the branding.
Darkedge 31st July 2007, 17:23 Quote
actually the C-Kin looks good (not to my taste though either) - I mean the fundamentals of the case design look tacky, especially the rubbish hinges.
Akava 31st July 2007, 17:28 Quote
It is very pretty in its own way, nice to see that the smaller companys still have the balls to try. Sadly it would seem though that,
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Originally Posted by Mars

The only reason to buy over something else would be for the branding.

...would be entirely true. :(

And tbh if i was spending that kind of money, i would rather build it myslef and have exactly what i wanted.
Delphium 31st July 2007, 18:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Darkedge
actually the C-Kin looks good (not to my taste though either) - I mean the fundamentals of the case design look tacky, especially the rubbish hinges.

Yer I saw those hinges and thought hmmmm there not going to last long
Though for what £2,750? I would have expected maybe water cooling specially when running a pair of 8800 GTX's and a QX6800, gotta be a lot of heat coming from that beast.
djDEATH 31st July 2007, 18:20 Quote
so how much woudl all that hardware cost to buy if you did a like for like DIY?

I'm guessing over £2000, probably more like £2200. So the price you pay here for a nice (debatable, don't flame me) looking case and let's face it, ALL of the config and set up, not to mention warranty, RMA cover etc etc, £500-600 seems pretty reasonable. I'd like to think that if i was putting these things together myself, that someone would slump up the cash for my hard work.

Compared to the price of the arguably much uglier Alienware boxes, i'd go for this. Then again, i ain;'t gonna spend £3000 on a PC any time soon, so my two cents don't really count.

As the review said, the G or GS models would suit those who don't want a PS3 or Xbox, but do want to play new games, and want a nice -looking PC as well. Seems pretty reasonable TBH.
Nature 31st July 2007, 18:37 Quote
I wish I was a dainty English maiden, oh my. Oh how.. could I not bestow colorful and spring time dresses and bonnets upon and for my soft golden hair and... and?

Thank you for changing your avatar.....

This Machine is great, no one should be unhappy if he or she purchased it, yet it will be old and almost useless in two and a half years!
Amon 31st July 2007, 18:52 Quote
Not all that amazing, especially the interior. It seems like the case's internal structure was yanked from a budget mid-tower. No matter, this is just introductory stuff from Commodore anyway; wait for the top-end models in the near future.
Bindibadgi 31st July 2007, 18:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nature
Thank you for changing your avatar.....

I'm going to change it back, just for you :)
Bungle 31st July 2007, 20:20 Quote
Packaged with 50 retro titles. That sells the system right there:D "raid over moscow" "beach head" ah the memories. Myself I would have designed the case with a bit of retro feel to it. Maybe some multi coloured LEDs inside the case strobing when a game loaded;)
GamingHobo 31st July 2007, 23:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
I cut, not bite ;) It's just because I'm pressing in on it :D

What Bindi fails to point out is that bit-tech (and TR for that matter) has a professional hand model. They get paid very well, mainly because they have to put their fingers in dangerous places such as CPU fans, water cooling pumps and over Tim's mouth when he sneezes - that boy has some serious lung capacity.

Unfortunately Mr. Hand - he prefers to remain anonymous - is out of the action at the moment. Somebody asked him if he blended and, well... I imagine you can work out the rest. Remember folks, internet fads may be funny but "real" people can suffer. Play safe.
g3n3tiX 1st August 2007, 12:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by GamingHobo
What Bindi fails to point out is that bit-tech (and TR for that matter) has a professional hand model. They get paid very well, mainly because they have to put their fingers in dangerous places such as CPU fans, water cooling pumps and over Tim's mouth when he sneezes - that boy has some serious lung capacity.

Unfortunately Mr. Hand - he prefers to remain anonymous - is out of the action at the moment. Somebody asked him if he blended and, well... I imagine you can work out the rest. Remember folks, internet fads may be funny but "real" people can suffer. Play safe.

:D
(Stunt hand...)

The rig is just nice.
What are these heatpipes coming out from the PSU ? cooling it ? (Blue plastic thingie)
Bindibadgi 1st August 2007, 12:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by g3n3tiX
:D
(Stunt hand...)

The rig is just nice.
What are these heatpipes coming out from the PSU ? cooling it ? (Blue plastic thingie)

Yes :)
Hugo 1st August 2007, 13:25 Quote
Air comes in through the side fan, through the PSU sink/fan, through the CPU sink/fan and out the back. It seemed to work.
timmythemonkey 1st August 2007, 21:04 Quote
So much potential, but its given me an idea... Anyone got an old Amiga I could strip out and fit with modern components, Ive got a laptop im sure i could squeeze inside one of those shells. I dont fancy doing it to my own one as it still works!

And for those of you who thinks in-game advertising is a new thing this article (...ok more the nostalgia from it) reminded me of the Superfrog game, where power-ups came in the form of Lucazade bottles!
mikeuk2004 2nd August 2007, 00:25 Quote
How many times have they got to plaster their name all over it. Are people going to forget who they are?? I still think my Amiga 500+ looked better, because I feel its abit ugly and expensive.
ToTalnewby 1st October 2007, 23:11 Quote
Hello all

I know this review was a few months ago now but hopefully one of you (or even the reviewer) will be able to reply to me with their expert advise (this is the first time I’ve posted my thought’s on a site like this so please advise if I’m doing it in the wrong place - and please if you’re going to cut me down be gentle:)

First off I am in no way a PC expert (as I’m sure I’ll show - never built a PC or tried to over clock one), although I do read a lot of reviews on different PC hardware/Gaming PC systems etc so have a rough/basic idea of the different terms for things and the four main things that seem to make a good gaming PC at the moment (QX6800, Dual 8800 GTX SLI, 150gig Raptor, 2 gig of decent ram).

I’ve got to say when I came across the Commodore XX I got really excited as it had all the things I usually tick the box on when I regularly go window surfing on the various Gaming PC suppliers on the web (Alienware, Vadim, Mesh, Dell and recently Beast). And for what you get compared to the other suppliers I’ve mentioned it works out a lot cheaper (I’m OK with a black box sitting under my desk, as long as it plays all the latest games at max settings and really fast/smoothly I’ll be really happy).

So when I read the bit-tech.net review today I’ve got to say I was pretty gutted as for the first time in the last 5 years of window surfing I was going to fiiiinally take the plunge and buy my dream Daddy PC (even though I’m still in a constant battle trying to justify the £2500/£3000 max that I’ve decided to spend!)

Whilst reading page 4 - Internals Continued I clicked on the link that bit-tech.net provided to show how badly the Commodore XX gaming results were compared to the PC they used to test the Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus mother board which is a very similar mother board to the one used in the Commodore XX (which is the ASUS® P5N32-E NVIDIA® nForce® 680i SLI mother board). I scrolled through the pages and when looking at the graphs for gaming results I couldn’t understand why in each game using either 1024x768 0xAA 0xAF ( as seen here http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/02/06/asus_p5n32e_sli_plus/8 ) or 1600x1200 2xAA 8xAF setting ( as seen here http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/02/06/asus_p5n32e_sli_plus/9 ) the Commodore XX was only just faster, if not slower ( as seen here http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/07/31/commodore_xx_gaming_pc/5 ) in some than the PC used by bit-tech.net to test the Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus mother board. Ok I know what some of you are probably thinking 100 odd frames per second for a game is fine and I understand that. It’s just that when I pay £3000 on a new PC I want it to blow away a PC using older dated hardware!.

The specs for the PC bit-tech.net used are as follows:-
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (operating at 2.93GHz - 11x266)
2x 1GB Corsair XMS2-8500C5 (running at DDR2-800 in dual channel with 3.0-3-3-9-1T timings)
Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus (nForce 650i SLI) mother board
2 x BFG Tech GeForce 7900 GTX OC video card (each operating at 670/1640MHz)
Seagate 7200.9 200GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gbps hard disk drive
OCZ GameXStream 700W power supply unit
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2; DirectX 9.0c; NVIDIA Forceware 93.71WHQL and Catalyst Drivers 6.10.
(you can see this at the bottom of http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/02/06/asus_p5n32e_sli_plus/4 notice that I’ve added 2x to the graphics card section)

The Specs for the Commodore XX are as follows:-
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 quad-core processor (2.93GHz)
2GB Corsair Dominator PC2-8500 (clocked at 800MHz 5-5-5-18-2T)
Asus P5N32E-SLI (nForce 680i SLI) mother board
Two GeForce 8800 GTXs in SLI (the latest XX machines come with two 8800 Ultras)
Two 150GB Western Digital Raptor ADAF hard drives (RAID 0)
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer

As you can see they are using dual 7800 GTX in SLI mode (and if you look at the game graphs it also shows the results for the same PC using 1! 7800 GTX and still coming close to the Commodore XX). Am I missing something here because I’ve seen loads of tests done with the 8800 GTX vs older cards such as the 7800 GTX in SLI mode! and the single 8800 GTX wipped the floor with the 7800 GTX in SLI (ok the 7800 GTX is over clocked here but surely that wouldn’t make this much difference or am I underestimating the overclocking used on the bit-tech.net PC?).

Can anyone explain why this might happen?

Also I had a read of the final thoughts of the Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus mother board and noticed it said “The P5N32-E SLI Plus is approximately the same price as the P5N32-E SLI. The difference being that the non-plus uses the 680i northbridge, but sacrifices the all solid state capacitors for a mixture between electrolytic and solid caps”.

Would this make much difference if any to the performance?

Or is it just that the Commodore XX is runing the Vista OS rather than the XP OS and this is what is holding back the performance? if so is it still worth buying it and just asking CommodoreGaming for XP instead?

Or should I just buy a PC from someone else (suggestions please for the same spec as Commodore XX and around the same price :)

Please if you can help me out and reply asap with the answers to my questions that would be great (and remember I’m a newby so may have just showed myself up with what I just wrote so be gentle please!).

Thanks for your time

ToTalnewby
ToTalnewby 1st October 2007, 23:27 Quote
PS Is the Alienware Area-51 ALX, Vadim Fusion CS Intel-775G2 or Dell water cooled XPS 720 a big jump in performance? or worth the extra £600/£700?

Please give me your advice as I'm dieing to buy a PC soon (or would it be a good idea to wait for the new graphics cards from nvidia and ATI? as the 8800 GTX/ULTRA has been around for ages now so must be ready for an upgrade)

Thanks again

ToTalnewby
Bindibadgi 2nd October 2007, 10:27 Quote
The P5N32E-SLI Plus article was tested with a 7900 GTX whereas the Commodore has 8800 GTX which are two generations different (counting the 7950 as one generation). The 8800 is massively more powerful in comparison. Another difference is that the Commodore runs Vista and the original motherboard test was done with XP - they are hugely different with XP being much faster (and more consistent) but obviously not DirectX 10 capable.

The Commodore is a good PC, but it's not particularly optimised like a Vadim or UV for example. It's also far louder than a Dell XPS (which is very quiet) for example and quite frankly doesn't look as good. It does mean that you don't have to mess about with installing your own equipment and I suppose if the CKins are your thing then go for it - but you're spending £2-3k on a PC that looks like the basic models. Personally I'd want something more for my money on top of powerful insides. The best Commodore to get are the mid-low range G models which provide far better value for money. :)

Uhhh check out Ultra Violent machines too (trustedreviews has a review on its site) but just consider what you want: good looks, noise, lights, cost, warranty. Also bear in mind that the Nvidia refresh is due in a couple of months but those prices will likely be high in the run up to Christmas.
ToTalnewby 2nd October 2007, 23:56 Quote
Hey Bindibadgi

Thanks so much for replying so quickly!

So the Commodore XX although having the 8800GTX SLI setup is being held back performance wise by maybe not being fully optimised and the fact that it’s using Vista! It seems amazing that it’s just the OS that is holding this PC back and that is the reason it performs the same as a similarly spec’d PC with 7900GTX SLI cards running XP.

For the sake of a 100 odd extra quid it’s seems it maybe just as important at the moment to get both Vista and XP OS so that you can play DX9 games as fast as possible on the XP and then just boot up with Vista when you want to play DX10 games as they start to come out (can’t wait to play Crysis in full DX10!).

When buying a PC I wouldn’t care if all the hardware came in a brown paper bag with a plug attached as long as it was as stable/fast as could be and the price reflected the case (OK maybe a fire proof bag:) I’m going to be to busy looking at my huge screen with the sound system turned up!

I had a look at some Scan PC’s (saw the ad at the bottom:) and found one called 3xs Triad 8800 SLi (£3,315.96 inc VAT) and when I spec’d it to as close as I could with the £2,826 Commodore XX (2gb Dominator ram, 2x 150gb Raptor RAID0, 500gb SATA hard drive, 2yr Warranty etc) it came in at £3,305 but that’s including water cooling, a 10/20% (3.3ghz/3.6ghz) over clocking of the 3ghz QX6850 and a Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional. But I did have to loose the two 8800ULTRAS SLI (now found in the Commodore XX) and replace them with 8800GTX SLI, which is OK with me as from what I’ve read the extra cost for ULTRA’s really isn’t worth it (I would drop them from the Commodore XX as well but it seems that it needs all the power it can get)!. So all in all the Scan works out to £479 more than the Commodore XX. I could also have chosen the 2.6ghz Q6700 and had Scan over clock it 10/20% (2.92ghz/3.2ghz) which would make it the same speed, if not faster than the 2.93GHz QX6800 found in the Commodore XX and would bring the price down to £3,035 making it £209 more expensive!

As good as the £3,035 Scan sounds that then left me thinking ‘Hmmm the Alienwares ALX is not much more expensive than that’. So I had a quick tot up of roughly the same spec (water cooled, over clocked QX6850 to 3.33ghz, quality built case) and it came in at £3,421. Which is £595 more than the Commodore XX and £386 more than the over clocked Scan 3.2ghz Q6700. I’m not sure if Alienware use the Raptor’s as on their site the option says “320 GB Serial ATA 1.5 Gbit/s, 10,000 RPM with 32MB Cache (2 x 160GB)” also the ram is slower and they don’t show the make as follows “Extreme Performance 800MHz Low-Latency DDR2 SDRAM” they also use the Creative Sound Blaster® X-Fi Xtreme Gamer used in the Commodore XX.

I’m tempted to buy the Scan 3xs Triad 8800 SLi for £3,305 (3.6ghz) as although it’s close in price to the Alienware ALX it has better RAM, Sound Card and is clocked slightly faster (if I’m lucky enough to get the 20%). I can also spend the £116 I saved on a decent keyboard and mouse.

Has anyone got a Scan? what’s the company like? would you choose the Scan 3xs Triad 8800 SLi over the Alienware ALX?

Bindibadgi I had a look for that Ultra Violent machines review on trustedreviews but couldn’t find it. Do you have a link to it? would like to see some other gaming PC’s.

Please reply with thoughts

Thanks again

ToTalnewby

Ps. So after all that I’m still not totally sure whether to buy a PC yet as in 2 months new graphics cards could come out and sprinkle warm lemonade all over my PC :.(
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