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Intel Penryn, Nehalem and the Future

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Mother-Goose 29th March 2007, 11:27 Quote
Sweeeeet. I'm guessing a new socket for Penryn right? Thats good news too :)
Bindibadgi 29th March 2007, 11:38 Quote
Nope, I think I said in the article current mobos might support it with a BIOS update depending on the chipset capabilites.

Nehalem will indisputably be a new socket.
Mother-Goose 29th March 2007, 11:40 Quote
Sorry bindi I could mixed up there, that makes alot more sense than what I just said.

It's nice to know that with a bios update my striker (when I get it) will be able to handle it, it makes sense from intel's stand point if they want to get it mainstream like the P4 was.
perplekks45 29th March 2007, 11:57 Quote
Yea, heard that too that 775 will be the way to go for Penryn. Can't wait. :D

So we'll have the same situation as with graphics cards here? One releasing next-gen stuff half a year before the other? Interesting. Hopefully when Nehalem hits the market there'll be more programs/games making use of the extra cores.
Bindibadgi 29th March 2007, 12:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mother-Gooser
Sorry bindi I could mixed up there, that makes alot more sense than what I just said.

It's nice to know that with a bios update my striker (when I get it) will be able to handle it, it makes sense from intel's stand point if they want to get it mainstream like the P4 was.

It's cool :) It took me a while to get everything right in it.

I've just added click for win's on the pictures to make them easier to read.
mclean007 29th March 2007, 12:00 Quote
Barcelona is really going to have to fly to compete with this. Intel seems to be running from strength to strength right now, and AMD hasn't demonstrated anything as yet that shows it has the legs to keep up.
airchie 29th March 2007, 12:01 Quote
Either way, all this competition from Intel and AMD is good news for us. :)
Mankz 29th March 2007, 12:10 Quote
12Mb cache? Woah.

Very informative article there Bit.
Mother-Goose 29th March 2007, 13:53 Quote
It is now that you wish that intel did the EVGA style step-up kinda thing dont you :)
Bluephoenix 29th March 2007, 15:32 Quote
the real question is where does this leave nvidia? one of its primary markets is northbridge chipsets.

As for the GPU on CPU idea; I don't think that'll fly very well. the turnover for graphics cores is almost 5x the rate as CPU's and personally I don't want to have to buy a new CPU for upgraded graphics. (example is that I had a dell dimension 4300 that started with an AGP Geforce 2 MX but is now running a 7600GS, however I never had to replace the P4 in it)

its all very good news however, and I hope they overclock as well as the current chips (do I hear 4GHz anyone??)

@gooser - too right mate....

Very good article, keep it up!
Tim S 29th March 2007, 15:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
the real question is where does this leave nvidia? one of its primary markets is northbridge chipsets.
Nvidia makes chipsets, not just northbridges. Its IGP market is probably going to swell up quite fast once these roll out, unless it decides to offer 'better' IGP than the on-die solutions. For example, if you want an Intel CPU with the capability to play games, I'd suggest you'd want a discrete graphics card or a better integrated solution.

There's not so much of a problem on AMD's side, as the integrated graphics are a much higher quality.
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As for the GPU on CPU idea; I don't think that'll fly very well. the turnover for graphics cores is almost 5x the rate as CPU's and personally I don't want to have to buy a new CPU for upgraded graphics. (example is that I had a dell dimension 4300 that started with an AGP Geforce 2 MX but is now running a 7600GS, however I never had to replace the P4 in it)
I reckon that graphics on CPU core will either be optional (like with Fusion) and the CPUs with it included will be targetted towards businesses. I would at least hope that enthusiast CPUs are free of IGP as, like most people, I don't really want to pay for things I'm never really going to use.

Of course, if there are some GPGPU uses (like Folding), then it the graphics core can be used for more than just graphics. That will depend ultimately on Intel's strategy in GPGPU applications.

Take a look at Intel's 965-series chipsets for example. At the moment, Intel has P965, G965 and Q965. P965 has no graphics, G965 has more consumer orientated IGP and Q965 is a business focused IGP. If the IGP isn't going to be GPGPU capable, I reckon Intel might head down a similar model to the way the 965-series chipsets are broken down.
rowin4kicks 29th March 2007, 17:02 Quote
woah great article guys and alot of info crammed in lol
i think that if amd dont come back with something good soon its gonna start to look bad for them
judging by intels plans they seem to be going in the right direction! although i agree in some respects with the intergrated gpu cpu idea (but having one on a mini itx would be great!)
Kipman725 29th March 2007, 17:14 Quote
I don't understand how they can be using PCI-E for communication on the motherboard for anything apart from addin cards (including internal ones like NICs).
zero0ne 29th March 2007, 18:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by mclean007
Barcelona is really going to have to fly to compete with this. Intel seems to be running from strength to strength right now, and AMD hasn't demonstrated anything as yet that shows it has the legs to keep up.

I think AMD has lost their touch... Intel is continually getting farther and farther ahead of them, and every Quarter that goes by, means another step AMD has to climb to even want to compete with them...
specofdust 29th March 2007, 19:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by zero0ne
I think AMD has lost their touch... Intel is continually getting farther and farther ahead of them, and every Quarter that goes by, means another step AMD has to climb to even want to compete with them...

I wouldn't give up on AMD just yet. Absorbing ATI will have been quite a big deal, and will have taken much of their attention for a few months. They've got even more weight to them now though, and I suspect that while K8L might only match or almost-match Intels lines of products, Fusion will be something groundbreaking.
Nature 29th March 2007, 19:44 Quote
Exciting stuff, any release date for the "new star of Zion"?

Other thoughts: My Pentium lll owns Conroe and it's widely obiese 4mb cache.
Firehed 29th March 2007, 19:57 Quote
Well-written article Rich - gave me some excellent reading material during accounting class :)

Looks like an otherwise-bleak future got slightly brighter.
Bindibadgi 29th March 2007, 20:12 Quote
Cheers :D
Toka 29th March 2007, 21:36 Quote
Jesus...

32 nanometer fabrication, on a high volume line. Thats the single most impressive piece of the article.

Where are they going to hit the difraction wall?
How close to the surface can they (are they having to) maintain their mask template thingy with the required accuracy?
What frequency / source are they even using?
How long before they move to a synchotron source?

omg - seriously I cant get over it - 32 nm fab process....
DXR_13KE 29th March 2007, 23:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nature
My Pentium lll owns Conroe and it's widely obiese 4mb cache.

my Pentium MMX rapes your Pentium III. :p

as for this new line of CPUs... they are awesome!!!!! and they are in my list of hardware to buy.
DarkLord7854 30th March 2007, 00:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by mclean007
Barcelona is really going to have to fly to compete with this. Intel seems to be running from strength to strength right now, and AMD hasn't demonstrated anything as yet that shows it has the legs to keep up.

Apart from mediocre price cuts :p

I'm rather excited about Nehalem, it sounds like it's really going to prod serious buttock. I wonder how well it'll overclock if it's building on top of Conroe, especially given the fact that aparently they'll ship at +3Ghz, so I'm guesstimating we can theoretically hit the +5Ghz without too much problem...

Can't wait! :D :D :D
Marquee 30th March 2007, 02:09 Quote
Bring it to me. I love seeing things like >3Ghz and 12mb L2 cache. Sounds good bring it cause will be waiting.

I am guessing AMD will have a press paper future report soon.
djDEATH 30th March 2007, 14:12 Quote
i have been an AMD customer for a long time, it pains me to say that unless somethign special happens, my new PC in late 2008 - will have to be a Nahelem.

Even if AMD come close, i just can't see them beating this kind of architectural change in direction.

AM3 will be impressive, compared to Core 2, but Penryn and Nahelem will just knock em back for six again
Tim S 30th March 2007, 14:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Toka
Jesus...

32 nanometer fabrication, on a high volume line. Thats the single most impressive piece of the article.

Where are they going to hit the difraction wall?
How close to the surface can they (are they having to) maintain their mask template thingy with the required accuracy?
What frequency / source are they even using?
How long before they move to a synchotron source?

omg - seriously I cant get over it - 32 nm fab process....
Intel hit a wall with 45nm, and managed to get past it with the development of metal gate transistors. I was speaking to some Intel Execs around the time the company announced that and these kinds of headaches are just treated as another challenge. :)
willyolio 30th March 2007, 20:30 Quote
it seems like intel's recent strategies have been: copy AMD's plans, use a whole lot of money to get it out before they do.
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