Originally Posted by Techno-Dann Here at Bellevue Community College, I have yet to have a single class where notes are available online in a year and a half of full-time attending. That's how the college in my world does work.
H :) So I was right about the community college? :D
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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
I would like to have a prof hand out 200 pages worth of notes, as it would mean I could skip buying the book. I already carry my laptop to class, so I wouldn't even need to worry about printing the notes.
Don't know what you're trying to say here Dann... if you actually READ what I typed... my prof hands out notes 20 pages at a time... and notes are for what he goes over in class. Want to understand underlying/physics of NMR, too bad, go to textbook, not enough time for prof to go over in class. He'll show the core stuff ie. interpreting NMR instead of telling you in detail how it works.
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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
And scrolling fast is a function that I use on a regular basis. When I'm holding down the [page down] key, I can catch words and phrases as they go past, and keep track of where I am. Having a hyper-scrolling mouse would make that easier, especially if the document scrolled smoothly rather than jumping from one page to the next.
since you already know what you're looking for cause you "know where you are" must mean you've already read it.... so you know what you're looking for...as I've said, search button. Freespin is much faster then page dow
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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
(and to repeat myself, I don't bring work home. Not that I would mind... I work in the back, building computers. A regular day for me involves a couple Core 2 Duos, two to six 8800s, and a couple of terrabytes of hard drive space. Taking some of those home would make a definite improvement over my X800 and Opteron 165.)
okay... in your first post you said you worked in biochem industry and that going through pharmacitical supplies/ datasheets take 200 pages... I said, unless you take this home, you're not going to use the revolution on the pharmacutical supply lists/data sheets. To which, I said would suck if you had to bring this work home, use your spiffy revolution to look at this...
I don't know where along the lines you've decided to impress me with computer hardware.
I think you really need to get your eyes check...either that or ritilin... cuase you can't seem to actually read or respond to posts...
Originally Posted by Hiren tenpounds - do you have some kind of mouse fetish? I've never seen anyone argue so passionately about a feature on a peripheral before.
I do think the revolution is kinda sexy... is that a fetish?
I just think the revolution is a gimmick (specifically the increased DPI and freespin)... am I the only one who sees the emperor with no clothes on here?
Originally Posted by tenpounds okay... in your first post you said you worked in biochem industry and that going through pharmacitical supplies/ datasheets take 200 pages... I said, unless you take this home, you're not going to use the revolution on the pharmacutical supply lists/data sheets. To which, I said would suck if you had to bring this work home, use your spiffy revolution to look at this...
I think it's you who needs to get your eyes checked... Or your reading skills. That was Tyr who worked in the Biochem industry, which he said in his second post:
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Originally Posted by Tyr
I regularly view PDFs in excess of 200 pages. Working in biotechnology, manuals and protocols tend to be very hefty and you have to get them from the manufacturer's website.
If you're going to try to argue, get your facts straight, mmkay?
And no, 50 LPS isn't faster than holding down [page down]. On my system, [page down] goes through about about five screenfulls per second. At 1280x1024, that's a good twenty-thirty lines per screenfull, so holding [page down] travels at 80 to 180 lines per second.
Now, on your 486 running at 640x480, it's entirely possible that it's the other way around. I wouldn't know, I've never tried plugging a Revolution into a 486.
I think somebody needs to check that his medication hasn't been swapped for sugar pills... Oh wait, there isn't any medication for stupidity. Never mind.
Originally Posted by Techno-Dann I think it's you who needs to get your eyes checked... Or your reading skills. That was Tyr who worked in the Biochem industry, which he said in his second post:
I see, so you're the writer? :)
okie, I admit, I was wrong, I thought you were the biochem guy.
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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
If you're going to try to argue, get your facts straight, mmkay?
And no, 50 LPS isn't faster than holding down [page down]. On my system, [page down] goes through about about five screenfulls per second. At 1280x1024, that's a good twenty-thirty lines per screenfull, so holding [page down] travels at 80 to 180 lines per second.
Now, on your 486 running at 640x480, it's entirely possible that it's the other way around. I wouldn't know, I've never tried plugging a Revolution into a 486.
I think somebody needs to check that his medication hasn't been swapped for sugar pills... Oh wait, there isn't any medication for stupidity. Never mind.
Oh NO!!! I thought you were tyr!!! damn.... must mean I have an IQ of a rock.. a stupid one at that!! I better take my non-existent stupid pills now!!!
Again, GET OVER YOURSELF. I'm not the one who goes to bellevue community college.... talk about the hallmark of stupidity
makes me laugh every time... community college :)
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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
And no, 50 LPS isn't faster than holding down [page down]. On my system, [page down] goes through about about five screenfulls per second. At 1280x1024, that's a good twenty-thirty lines per screenfull, so holding [page down] travels at 80 to 180 lines per second.
Now, on your 486 running at 640x480, it's entirely possible that it's the other way around. I wouldn't know, I've never tried plugging a Revolution into a 486.
I think somebody needs to check that his medication hasn't been swapped for sugar pills... Oh wait, there isn't any medication for stupidity. Never mind.
again. Since you already KNOW what words you're looking for... SEARCH BUTTON. typed this 3 times already.
PS: yea, I'm not even running a 486, I'm use a 386 man... for your information I'm running a T7400 W3J
Lesson learned: Never piss off some emo writer from a community college.
Originally Posted by XeroNXS I've been using the MX Rev for quite a while now and I've honestly never owned a better mouse.
One thing though bugged me: The non available middle click.
That was until I found "uberOptions".
It not only lets you enable the middle click. You can also tweak all kinds of other options. http://www.mstarmetro.net/~rlowens/uberOptions/
:D
Thanks very much for the link - I never knew this existed. :)
I bought one too and have to say I really like it - especially the free scrolling mode. Not that I would go through long documents or database tables way too often - I just really like the way the contents moves (not stopping after each click) - guess it makes it easier on my eyes (I disabled the automatic mode switching).
I could use the scrollbar for sure, but that requires an extra mouse movement and pretty carefull placement before you can start dragging... Besides, if you scroll in the window directly, it moves only as fast as you scroll while in case of toolbar there is the extra relation with the length of the contents (imagine the difference when you drag the scrollbar button to the middle of the bar at a constant speed - if the contents is long, it scrolls faster - how hard it might be to adjust the visible contents if a 1mm movement of your hand moves 20 lines of text...).
I know, it may sound stupid and not really important but it helps (me), and every help is welcomed - especially, if one spends in front of a computer long hours on daily basis.
Yes, Rev MX is expensive and some of the functions may look like a marketing gimmick - but I suggest that you try it for yourself if you can get your hands on one of them. You may be surprised (or maybe not:))
Originally Posted by XeroNXS ...
That was until I found "uberOptions".
It not only lets you enable the middle click. You can also tweak all kinds of other options. http://www.mstarmetro.net/~rlowens/uberOptions/
PS: Been a bit-tech reader for quite some years now and today I finally joined the forum. :D
I'll second the thanks (now I may finally be able to stand Logitech's drivers) & welcome to the forums. ;)
:? why does everyone keep feeding the little troll?
After having a good laugh at all this arguing, I feel that I must step in and make a critical point before the innocent-bystander body count passes the 1,000 mark;
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN FIGHTING ABOUT??!?
Its a mouse. Seriously. Everyone turn off your monitors and think about this for a minute.
Originally Posted by tenpounds I have no problem with the battery life of the revolution...
nor the "lazer" in the revolution... as I've said before, the inaccuracy of my cursor movement is due mainly due to the conversion of static coefficient of friction to kinetic coefficent of friction. And as kinetic coefficient of friction is lower then the static coefficent, once I try to move my mouse, it jerks. This is NOT due to DPI, but just physics... no amount of DPI will solve this.
You claim that I'll notice the difference of the wheel for scrolling down even normal sized documents. True, I cannot disprove you since I don't have the revolution. But can you describe when you would use hyperscrolling over normal scrolling or the "cruise scrolling" of the MX1000? I mean, a web page like bit tech...
anyways... gotta get to class
idk what the difference is between the cruise scrolling and the hyperscrolling, although they might be the same, i would describe the use of this, while in this forum, being quite useful. Although many of you guys might think that getting to the bottom of the page to see if your question has been answered or to see what some one else has wrote can wait and extra .2 seconds, but when I had my old mouse, the Media Mouse by Logitech, it had no hyperscrolling nor cruise scrolling, it had a click by click by click. while im not bashing they scrolling on that mouse, i am just saying its much easier to flip my finger and not have to worry about scrolling and scroll 3 lines at a time, instead the document, or webpage, goes much fast and im at where i would like to be faster. Although i could make time to do my searching instead of at the last moment, i rather like to get things done quickly and at the last moment.
you claim that your problem is not DPI but friction, i dont seem to understand this problem. because no matter what friction should have little to do with the movement of your mouse. the only way that friction would have a huge problem with mouse movement is if your using Sandpaper for a mousepad. the coefficient of friction of Teflon pads and Plastic pads on practically any surface should not so much that you have a jerking problem with your mouse.
Here is a small table of Coefficients of Frictions:
although the smaller number is better, you can see that Teflon on Steel creates about a .04 which means there is really no friction at all. another test shown is that of Rubber on Concrete (dry) being at a .6, which i think everyone knows that if you take rubber to concrete that your more then likely not gonna move it far without leaving something behind. you also said that your Kinetic friction is lower then your Static friction, if thats true then you must be picking your mouse up to move it, no matter what the kinetic friction should be greater then the Static friction because of the fact that there are two forces being pushed against each other, while static friction is just the friction thats there to keep the object from moving. so please explain this one to me.
Originally Posted by sl1xx whats the mouse like when gameing ?
i personally think that the mouse is good for gaming, although it might not be as great as some of the higher end gaming mice, i still have to say that it pretty good while gaming.
Nope - Please update the review to avoid confusion. thx
Standard USB Wireless Receiver in the 2.4ghz band
As for gaming, I play WoW everyday and its generally fine. Slows down responsiveness a bit when battery is low. Also play HL2 and SiN. Both play fine. Completed Prey in 1 sitting with this mouse too. Its definitely not as responsive as a MS corded laser mouse but is still better than a normal corded ball or corded LED mouse.
Had mine since day of release. Cost £72 then. Bought it with the G15 keyboard. Both worth the money IMO
Also use it on Vista now that Setpoint 3.3 is out. The "QuickFlip" uses the Aero 3D window flipping (window key and tab normally)
It looks soooo cool when you flip between a game and other apps and see the game still moving at full speed in the 3d window
:D
So no bluetooth? I didnt think so but I wanted to be sure. It would be a good idea to update the article to avoid confusion for anyone else in a similar position.
Originally Posted by DougEdey The only problem with that style of charge is that (on my mx1000 at least) the contacts get dirty very quickly, I've had mine for 3 years now, all the transfers have worn off but the stand gathers dust massively and it's hard to clean. I hope that the connectors are also a lot easier to clean with this one.
I'm not aiming to change my current MX1000, but I may get an MX Revolution for another system
I got my mx1000 summer 2006, (as it was very cheap price 50$ Can)
And, my contacts are very clean, slightly in to prevent friction on the desk, the plastic covers all round each of them to prevent dust to go in the mouse.
Maybe Logitech made a newer revision silently released.
Originally Posted by mattthegamer463 After having a good laugh at all this arguing, I feel that I must step in and make a critical point before the innocent-bystander body count passes the 1,000 mark;
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN FIGHTING ABOUT??!?
Its a mouse. Seriously. Everyone turn off your monitors and think about this for a minute.
yeah how exactly does one get into a flamefest over a mouse? :|
Originally Posted by hakme2deth "a USB Bluetooth receiver "
Nope - Please update the review to avoid confusion. thx
Standard USB Wireless Receiver in the 2.4ghz band
As for gaming, I play WoW everyday and its generally fine. Slows down responsiveness a bit when battery is low. Also play HL2 and SiN. Both play fine. Completed Prey in 1 sitting with this mouse too. Its definitely not as responsive as a MS corded laser mouse but is still better than a normal corded ball or corded LED mouse.
Had mine since day of release. Cost £72 then. Bought it with the G15 keyboard. Both worth the money IMO
Also use it on Vista now that Setpoint 3.3 is out. The "QuickFlip" uses the Aero 3D window flipping (window key and tab normally)
It looks soooo cool when you flip between a game and other apps and see the game still moving at full speed in the 3d window
:D
****, i was ready to buy this for when i get my imac or mbp.... specially if i get the macbookpro because its only got 2 USB ports. i think the iMac only has 3 too.
omg .... i started looking at this to see what the mouse was like and it turned out to be better that a episode of eastenders :) :) :) :) . nice looking mouse when my G5 gives up i think i may consider one .
i would like to laugh at tenpounds new forum status
Hi,
about gameing - the smallest finger gets tired after playing longer with mx revolution;) But I think I just have to get used to it. Besides u cannot use all of the buttons in games.
Have anyone know if we can clean our mx revolution by ourselfs? Couse MicroGear™ Precision Scroll Wheel isn't spinning as long as on the begining. It used to roll for 8 sec, now after useing it for 3 months it spinns only 2 sec and stops:(
@xaanaax
#1, Yes you can have application and gaming profile with set-point add-on (or hack) http://www.mstarmetro.net/~rlowens/
Simply install it, and you are set!
#2
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my littest finger gets tired after playing longer with mx revolution
Heuuuu.... if you know how to hold a mouse, then your littlest finger doesn't do anything other then sitting comfortably, and that is even with a small hand.
#3
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It used to roll for 8 sec, now after using it for 3 months it rolls only 2 sec and stop
- After eating, wash your hands before using your computer.
- Don't eat or spill soda on your computer peripheral, or the computer it self.
- Beside mine runs for 15sec and is 5 month old.
In your case, see with Logitech for a replacement, if not, then open it, lose your warranty, and see if you can clean it. WARNING it might have A LOT of parts inside, laser, and contains a lithium ion battery.
#2
I know how to hold mouse:P I have to hold the MX with the smallest finger, and after palying longer it's gettin tired. While playing I have to lift mouse and MX Revolution is heavy one...
#3
...No comments:P
I'll probably contact logitech for a replacement.
I know how to hold mouse:P I have to hold the MX with my littest finger, and after palying longer it's gettin tired. While plaing I've to move up mouse and [THE] MX Revolution is [A] heavy [MOUSE.]
Oh, I see what you mean, but that is because you did not or miss configure your mouse. You are NOT SUPPOSED TO lift your mouse. With little movement, you should be able to move your mouse a cross your screen, and perform 360-degree turn on yourself, in games. In addition, do NOT use a mouse pad, as it limit your work (playing) area. Beside you, do not need such thing, as you have a laser mouse. It supposed to work on ALL surfaces except mirrors and glass. If your desk has a glass surface or mirror, then you are better off with the good old ball mouse.
I do not care much about grammar mistakes, as I know I do them in some forum posts. However, spelling mistakes on BASIC words is just too ridiculous. Such post show disrespect among others as you show no effort in caring on what you type. We all do an extra step to make a post readable, and the same is expected from you. If you do not know English properly, then type your reply in Microsoft Word (or any software that can correct spelling mistakes), correct it, and past it here.
GoodBytes: a Quebecer [SP?] being the language police for English? :)
xaanaax: 1) Welcome to the forums. 2) If you're using FireFox you could download the English language dictionaries (link) for it (I use it and it helps me more that I care to admit).
Ok, first of all sorry for my spelling mistakes, I think it's ok now. Unfortunately, English isn't my mother-tongue GoodBytes.
Thank u very much Tyinsar for advise:) At least one nice comment:)
I see you're not very good FPS player GoodBytes. Sometimes when u play u have to turn more than 360-degree (for example when u're running in a circle around someone or somebody). My mouse is configured well, I am able to move mouse a cross my screen moveing mouse for 2 cm. I do not use mouse pad. My MX Revol. slides (almost flies) on the black, flat and smooth desk without any problems.
And about my finger:P is't getting tired cause I don't play now as many games (and as long) as I used to play in the past (don't have now time for it:( ) and I was used to another logitech simple, wire, optic and light mouse.
So... Don't be so smart GoodBytes, u haven't got the best hardware in the world and u're not the smartest one.
Peace:)
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ReplyI don't know where along the lines you've decided to impress me with computer hardware.
I think you really need to get your eyes check...either that or ritilin... cuase you can't seem to actually read or respond to posts...
I do think the revolution is kinda sexy... is that a fetish?
I just think the revolution is a gimmick (specifically the increased DPI and freespin)... am I the only one who sees the emperor with no clothes on here?
I think it's you who needs to get your eyes checked... Or your reading skills. That was Tyr who worked in the Biochem industry, which he said in his second post:
If you're going to try to argue, get your facts straight, mmkay?
And no, 50 LPS isn't faster than holding down [page down]. On my system, [page down] goes through about about five screenfulls per second. At 1280x1024, that's a good twenty-thirty lines per screenfull, so holding [page down] travels at 80 to 180 lines per second.
Now, on your 486 running at 640x480, it's entirely possible that it's the other way around. I wouldn't know, I've never tried plugging a Revolution into a 486.
I think somebody needs to check that his medication hasn't been swapped for sugar pills... Oh wait, there isn't any medication for stupidity. Never mind.
I see, so you're the writer? :)
okie, I admit, I was wrong, I thought you were the biochem guy.
Oh NO!!! I thought you were tyr!!! damn.... must mean I have an IQ of a rock.. a stupid one at that!! I better take my non-existent stupid pills now!!!
Again, GET OVER YOURSELF. I'm not the one who goes to bellevue community college.... talk about the hallmark of stupidity
makes me laugh every time... community college :)
again. Since you already KNOW what words you're looking for... SEARCH BUTTON. typed this 3 times already.
PS: yea, I'm not even running a 486, I'm use a 386 man... for your information I'm running a T7400 W3J
Lesson learned: Never piss off some emo writer from a community college.
Thanks very much for the link - I never knew this existed. :)
I bought one too and have to say I really like it - especially the free scrolling mode. Not that I would go through long documents or database tables way too often - I just really like the way the contents moves (not stopping after each click) - guess it makes it easier on my eyes (I disabled the automatic mode switching).
I could use the scrollbar for sure, but that requires an extra mouse movement and pretty carefull placement before you can start dragging... Besides, if you scroll in the window directly, it moves only as fast as you scroll while in case of toolbar there is the extra relation with the length of the contents (imagine the difference when you drag the scrollbar button to the middle of the bar at a constant speed - if the contents is long, it scrolls faster - how hard it might be to adjust the visible contents if a 1mm movement of your hand moves 20 lines of text...).
I know, it may sound stupid and not really important but it helps (me), and every help is welcomed - especially, if one spends in front of a computer long hours on daily basis.
Yes, Rev MX is expensive and some of the functions may look like a marketing gimmick - but I suggest that you try it for yourself if you can get your hands on one of them. You may be surprised (or maybe not:))
:? why does everyone keep feeding the little troll?
Ever heard of the story with the emperor with no clothes?
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN FIGHTING ABOUT??!?
Its a mouse. Seriously. Everyone turn off your monitors and think about this for a minute.
idk what the difference is between the cruise scrolling and the hyperscrolling, although they might be the same, i would describe the use of this, while in this forum, being quite useful. Although many of you guys might think that getting to the bottom of the page to see if your question has been answered or to see what some one else has wrote can wait and extra .2 seconds, but when I had my old mouse, the Media Mouse by Logitech, it had no hyperscrolling nor cruise scrolling, it had a click by click by click. while im not bashing they scrolling on that mouse, i am just saying its much easier to flip my finger and not have to worry about scrolling and scroll 3 lines at a time, instead the document, or webpage, goes much fast and im at where i would like to be faster. Although i could make time to do my searching instead of at the last moment, i rather like to get things done quickly and at the last moment.
you claim that your problem is not DPI but friction, i dont seem to understand this problem. because no matter what friction should have little to do with the movement of your mouse. the only way that friction would have a huge problem with mouse movement is if your using Sandpaper for a mousepad. the coefficient of friction of Teflon pads and Plastic pads on practically any surface should not so much that you have a jerking problem with your mouse.
Here is a small table of Coefficients of Frictions:
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/frictioncoeff.htm
although the smaller number is better, you can see that Teflon on Steel creates about a .04 which means there is really no friction at all. another test shown is that of Rubber on Concrete (dry) being at a .6, which i think everyone knows that if you take rubber to concrete that your more then likely not gonna move it far without leaving something behind. you also said that your Kinetic friction is lower then your Static friction, if thats true then you must be picking your mouse up to move it, no matter what the kinetic friction should be greater then the Static friction because of the fact that there are two forces being pushed against each other, while static friction is just the friction thats there to keep the object from moving. so please explain this one to me.
i personally think that the mouse is good for gaming, although it might not be as great as some of the higher end gaming mice, i still have to say that it pretty good while gaming.
Nope - Please update the review to avoid confusion. thx
Standard USB Wireless Receiver in the 2.4ghz band
As for gaming, I play WoW everyday and its generally fine. Slows down responsiveness a bit when battery is low. Also play HL2 and SiN. Both play fine. Completed Prey in 1 sitting with this mouse too. Its definitely not as responsive as a MS corded laser mouse but is still better than a normal corded ball or corded LED mouse.
Had mine since day of release. Cost £72 then. Bought it with the G15 keyboard. Both worth the money IMO
Also use it on Vista now that Setpoint 3.3 is out. The "QuickFlip" uses the Aero 3D window flipping (window key and tab normally)
It looks soooo cool when you flip between a game and other apps and see the game still moving at full speed in the 3d window
:D
Moriquendi
I got my mx1000 summer 2006, (as it was very cheap price 50$ Can)
And, my contacts are very clean, slightly in to prevent friction on the desk, the plastic covers all round each of them to prevent dust to go in the mouse.
Maybe Logitech made a newer revision silently released.
yeah how exactly does one get into a flamefest over a mouse? :|
****, i was ready to buy this for when i get my imac or mbp.... specially if i get the macbookpro because its only got 2 USB ports. i think the iMac only has 3 too.
i would like to laugh at tenpounds new forum status
banned :) :D
about gameing - the smallest finger gets tired after playing longer with mx revolution;) But I think I just have to get used to it. Besides u cannot use all of the buttons in games.
Have anyone know if we can clean our mx revolution by ourselfs? Couse MicroGear™ Precision Scroll Wheel isn't spinning as long as on the begining. It used to roll for 8 sec, now after useing it for 3 months it spinns only 2 sec and stops:(
#1, Yes you can have application and gaming profile with set-point add-on (or hack)
http://www.mstarmetro.net/~rlowens/
Simply install it, and you are set!
#2
#3
- Don't eat or spill soda on your computer peripheral, or the computer it self.
- Beside mine runs for 15sec and is 5 month old.
In your case, see with Logitech for a replacement, if not, then open it, lose your warranty, and see if you can clean it. WARNING it might have A LOT of parts inside, laser, and contains a lithium ion battery.
#2
I know how to hold mouse:P I have to hold the MX with the smallest finger, and after palying longer it's gettin tired. While playing I have to lift mouse and MX Revolution is heavy one...
#3
...No comments:P
I'll probably contact logitech for a replacement.
I do not care much about grammar mistakes, as I know I do them in some forum posts. However, spelling mistakes on BASIC words is just too ridiculous. Such post show disrespect among others as you show no effort in caring on what you type. We all do an extra step to make a post readable, and the same is expected from you. If you do not know English properly, then type your reply in Microsoft Word (or any software that can correct spelling mistakes), correct it, and past it here.
xaanaax: 1) Welcome to the forums. 2) If you're using FireFox you could download the English language dictionaries (link) for it (I use it and it helps me more that I care to admit).
Thank u very much Tyinsar for advise:) At least one nice comment:)
I see you're not very good FPS player GoodBytes. Sometimes when u play u have to turn more than 360-degree (for example when u're running in a circle around someone or somebody). My mouse is configured well, I am able to move mouse a cross my screen moveing mouse for 2 cm. I do not use mouse pad. My MX Revol. slides (almost flies) on the black, flat and smooth desk without any problems.
And about my finger:P is't getting tired cause I don't play now as many games (and as long) as I used to play in the past (don't have now time for it:( ) and I was used to another logitech simple, wire, optic and light mouse.
So... Don't be so smart GoodBytes, u haven't got the best hardware in the world and u're not the smartest one.
Peace:)
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