Logitech MX Revolution Mouse

I'm sorry, I find this whole thing ridiculous.

Who here on a REGULAR basis looks at web pages/pdf/words documents with 200+ pages ?


be realistic here...


And as someone said, you're more likely to be using the wheel to scroll down project logs and such... which is NO WHERE near the length of 200+ pages.

and for the length of project logs, please, it's really not that long... scroll bar would probably get you down the page just as quick... (yes yes, you do have to actually use hand eye coordination to find the scroll bar, yea it's really hard)

As for DPI increases, I find that with my MX1000, the problem is not with DPI, it's that the conversion from static friction coefficient to kinetic friction coefficient that lowers my pointing accuracy over any DPI. aka in laymen term, moving my mouse from a stopped position to a moving one results in a jerk in the mouse... So I find DPI increases pretty stupid since the real problem with my accuracy in pointing is this jerk (an infinite DPI would not solve this problem)... You could tell me to use a mouse pad and such to lower friction... but mouse pads are so damn ugly, restrictive (student at dorm so space is important and my desk is usually crowded with sh!t excluding a gigantic mouse pad).

So basically, everything "new" that came with this mouse in my opinion is pretty much a gimmick... I'll be sticking with my MX1000

PS: yes I find that it's very nice looking and such, and if I had to chose between a MX1000 and the revolution, I would get the revolution... but not if it costs $100. Just not worth the extra $50 to be able to scroll down 200 pages of words 0.2ms more quickly... which incredibly, I haven't typed that much yet...nor have I ever opened up a 200+ page of words or pdf.

Edit: document flip? if you're on vista, aren't you going to use the windows flip? personally, I find document flip another useless gimmick. I changed setpoint's middle button on the left hand side to act as the middle button to close tab simply because I've used document flip maybe twice?

Originally Posted by tenpounds
I'm sorry, I find this whole thing ridiculous.

Who here on a REGULAR basis looks at web pages/pdf/words documents with 200+ pages ?

One of the PDF's I've got open right this minute is 247 pages long.

Originally Posted by Tim S
One of the PDF's I've got open right this minute is 247 pages long.

okay... so are you trying saying that use regularly open pdf''s that long?

alright ive been a proud owner of the mouse for about 2-3 months, and the document flip is pretty useless im use to Alt+Tabing everything, as for the for the "hyper-scroll", trust me its well worth is, i dont use it for scrolling through hundreds of pages of documents. But it does help get to where i need to go in a hurry. i believe after you use this thing for about a week or two you'll notice the difference in how the scroll really helps.

And as for the people who have a problem charging, Rechargable batteries dont tend to last long if you charge it every night, so turn the mouse off when your not using it, charge it when it has about 5-0% left on it. the battery should last you at least a week with hardcore gaming action.

as for the lazer in it, yes its very very accurate. i dont have a problem with the mouse being jerky on my screen, in fact its much smoother then my last mouse. i would have to say that i have become a better gamer with the lazer mouse, not this one in particular.

Originally Posted by Lunn1
alright ive been a proud owner of the mouse for about 2-3 months, and the document flip is pretty useless im use to Alt+Tabing everything, as for the for the "hyper-scroll", trust me its well worth is, i dont use it for scrolling through hundreds of pages of documents. But it does help get to where i need to go in a hurry. i believe after you use this thing for about a week or two you'll notice the difference in how the scroll really helps.

And as for the people who have a problem charging, Rechargable batteries dont tend to last long if you charge it every night, so turn the mouse off when your not using it, charge it when it has about 5-0% left on it. the battery should last you at least a week with hardcore gaming action.

as for the lazer in it, yes its very very accurate. i dont have a problem with the mouse being jerky on my screen, in fact its much smoother then my last mouse. i would have to say that i have become a better gamer with the lazer mouse, not this one in particular.

I have no problem with the battery life of the revolution...

nor the "lazer" in the revolution... as I've said before, the inaccuracy of my cursor movement is due mainly due to the conversion of static coefficient of friction to kinetic coefficent of friction. And as kinetic coefficient of friction is lower then the static coefficent, once I try to move my mouse, it jerks. This is NOT due to DPI, but just physics... no amount of DPI will solve this.

You claim that I'll notice the difference of the wheel for scrolling down even normal sized documents. True, I cannot disprove you since I don't have the revolution. But can you describe when you would use hyperscrolling over normal scrolling or the "cruise scrolling" of the MX1000? I mean, a web page like bit tech...

anyways... gotta get to class

I was sure it was RF, all other BT mice have been plagued by latency issues. I'd never use a BT mouse for gaming as they lag behind where you are. Logitech's RF mice have always outperformed their equivalent BT brethren. There is an MX1000 BT which came with a keyboard and it lagged badly.

Originally Posted by tenpounds
I'm sorry, I find this whole thing ridiculous.

Who here on a REGULAR basis looks at web pages/pdf/words documents with 200+ pages ?


be realistic here...

I regularly view PDFs in excess of 200 pages. Working in biotechnology, manuals and protocols tend to be very hefty and you have to get them from the manufacturer's website.

Originally Posted by LockmanX
I've used one at work for some time and while I liked it as an office mouse, I'd love to see this shape in a gaming mouse. My gaming mouse is the trusty MX518. When the G5 came out with the same shape, I was ready to give it a try. I, however, very quickly noticed why I would never own a G5 (or G7 for that matter). Logitech, for whatever reason, took away the second thumb button. Ever since my MX500 years back, I've used those buttons to move forward and back in windows and on the web. It's integrated into (what others tell me is odd) control layout for gaming. I simply can't do without it.

I didn't upgrade to a G5 or G7 from my MX1000 because of the loss of thumb buttons. I use all three all the time and really appreciate them when gaming. I can have one set to VOIP chat, one ingame VOIP, grenade shortcut, etc...

The G3 is a bit better but i can't stand using the last button with my little finger.

Originally Posted by tenpounds
I'm sorry, I find this whole thing ridiculous.

Who here on a REGULAR basis looks at web pages/pdf/words documents with 200+ pages ?

Me. I write hundred page (or more) mini-novels, and regularly read 2-300 page novels digitally. I'm diving into a project that will be at least that long when it's finished.

I must admit, when I first saw the MX Revolution, I thought it would be horrible. I thought they'd designed a modern-art mouse without thinking about how well it would work.

And then I used one on a friend's computer... I was blown away. How could something that looked that weird be that comfortable?

I'm probably not going to get one, though. When my trusty MX-518 dies, I'm going to get one of these:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2135,CONTENTID=11532

Logitech took their MX-610 and made it left-handed. Finally, a good, high-quality left-handed mouse.

To rant for a moment, the reason nobody is making left-handed mice is because so many of us are using right-handed mice! If every left-handed person insisted on a left-handed mouse, we would have a good 10-20% market share. Thus, we would get much more interest from major manufacturers.

Originally Posted by tenpounds
okay... so are you trying saying that use regularly open pdf''s that long?

Yeah, I regularly have at least one or two white papers / product briefings about new products.

This is the first mouse that I've given any serious consideration to since I got my trusty MX1000. As someone said before, the lack of a second thumb button on their other recent mice was the primary reason I didn't even consider them. The reintroduction may lead to my acquisition of the new rev, since I do have the annoying charging problem common to the MX1000. That minor issue aside though, the MX100 is the best mouse I've ever owned, a sentiment I see many here echoing.

Great review for an incredible mouse.

I initially bought the VX revolution for my Laptop, after realizing that it was by far the best laptop mouse in history I got it's big brother. Battery life is not all that bad, and lets face it when your not using the computer how difficult is it to cradle it?

I'm also a proud owner of the G7, which is incredible for gaming. The on the fly DPI adjustment rocks. Whats strange is people complaining about the battery life though, the design of the G7 for me is incredible all the way down to the mechanism for changing the battery. It's a gaming mouse and changing the battery mid level is like changing the magazine on a gun.....pure genius. Sure you get two to 3 days per charge but nobody games for that amount of time without a break anyway. The only downside is the lack of a back button, but thats not such a big deal.

Can I ask why your only just going to be reviewing the G7 now? It's over 12 months old, you guys are normally on the ball with hardware reviews so why something so old? How about the Microsoft's Media Keyboard for Vista, or the new Razer Death Adder or even the Microsoft & Razer partnership which spawned the Habu?

Great review as always.

Originally Posted by zr_ox
Can I ask why your only just going to be reviewing the G7 now? It's over 12 months old, you guys are normally on the ball with hardware reviews so why something so old? How about the Microsoft's Media Keyboard for Vista, or the new Razer Death Adder or even the Microsoft & Razer partnership which spawned the Habu?

We'll see about getting hold of the Habu, DeathAdder and the Media Keyboard. We've only just got hold of a G7 - I didn't realise it was quite that old to be honest. Keyboards/Mice aren't my speciality, at least when it comes to keeping up-to-date with developments. :o

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
The G7 I've got here and will be reviewing soon-ish is better for gaming with selectable DPI up to 2000. It uses the same laser tech.

Yeah I love my G7 to bits, its just so precise and smooth, and the battery scheme is great because I can turn it off at night, I have a battery constantly charged so no waiting, and no leaving it in the cradle everyday wasting charge cycles. I can run it until its dead and then swap the battery for the fresh one. Plus the easy change DPI is great (I use it in WarRock because planes are good to fly with a faster mouse) but if I had a desk job this would be my mouse.

Originally Posted by Tim S
We'll see about getting hold of the Habu, DeathAdder and the Media Keyboard. We've only just got hold of a G7 - I didn't realise it was quite that old to be honest. Keyboards/Mice aren't my speciality, at least when it comes to keeping up-to-date with developments. :o

How about looking at the MX Revolutions little brother, the VX Revolution? Similar sort of features but is a much more compact format, better battery life...

three people? can someone tell me what the view count was after the time I posted? then we can get some pretty sh!tty stats (sample size too small) about how many people really regularly view 200+ pages with revolution.


And unless you bring your work home Techno Damn... would your boss really buy you the revolution? Or would you shell out $100 for the revolution at your job? And if you bring your work home... well... sucks to be you?


I'm not saying that there are no one regularly reading 200+ pages... I'm just saying those that get this mouse who don't regularly read 200+ pages are > then those who do get this mouse and read 200+ pages.

Therefore the majority that do get this mouse are simply tools. (tired of typing... and have biochem midterm tomorrow O.o)

Anyways. People who have bought the revolution, please respond whether you regularly view 200+ pages with it. (like I said, unless your boss gets it for you at your workplace or you get one for your work place...then you can't really include jobs...)

I do acknowledge that tim and the writer probably have this at work cause well, tim is surrounded by tech goodies... and the writer probably works at home. The revolution is really great for you guys.. cause if you work at home, and you do have 200+ pages, get a good mouse since you're gonna be using it constantly. But most of the workforce doesn't work at home (I assume this) and the workplace is where people usually look at 200+ pages of work... not at home... no one likes reading an e-book.... and at home is where people buy the revolution and bring it.

I don't know how you guys use your home PC, but I just browse a few web sites, do stats homework, few English essay, and game.... The revolution would be quite ridiculous for anyone who uses the PC like me. (and if they use the PC like me and get it... they're just getting for class/fashion statement cause the features as I said above is completely useless to them... which makes them tools)

Logitech does make some left-hand mice (link) but not any gamer mice for us lefties. Frankly that doesn't matter to me since I haven't liked their drivers since the days of Logimenu - now that was powerful & versatile - the closest I've found is Kensington's mouse & trackball drivers (massive selection of options for every button + chording + program awareness (so they change function depending on the active program.)) Sadly Kensington doesn't make good gaming mice - so I'll keep using my Copperhead.

Originally Posted by tenpounds
And unless you bring your work home Techno Damn... would your boss really buy you the revolution? Or would you shell out $100 for the revolution at your job? And if you bring your work home... well... sucks to be you?

For your sake, I will assume that your spelling of my name is merely a typo, and not an attempted slur.

No, my boss wouldn't buy me the Revolution. I'd never need it at work, as I never scroll more than a page height or so. There's a guy who does work with much larger files and documents, and guess what? The boss did buy him a Revolution.

For the record, the "project" I mentioned earlier isn't work related. I write for fun, not for profit.

And no, I'm not going to buy the revolution for home use. As I posted earlier, I intend to buy the Logitech left-handed MX-610 when my trusty old MX-518 dies.

Originally Posted by tenpounds

and the workplace is where people usually look at 200+ pages of work... not at home... no one likes reading an e-book.... and at home is where people buy the revolution and bring it.

I don't know how you guys use your home PC...

You, sir, contradict yourself. You essentially say that "nobody looks at anything long at home", and then go on to say "I don't know how you guys use your home PC..."

And, by the way, I like reading e-books and other forms of internet-distributed novels, so your point is invalid. Also, the revolution has been bought and used in my office, so that point is invalid too. For that matter, we might as well throw out all the contents of that quote.

(And, Tyinsar, having tried Razer mice, I can say that they really don't work for me. I like the curved Logitechs over the flat Razers.)

The quick scrolling is only part of why the Revolution is nice. Just plain having smooth scrolling for regular documents and click scrolling is nice. The shape is also quite comfortable.

I don't have one, but I've thought about it. I still have an old MX700. I don't get the big deal about gaming mice either. I've used one of the MXes with sensitivity adjustment, and it is pretty nice, but nothing to go crazy about. I also don't see the point in insanely high resolutions. I mean really, really high ones. There's go to be a point of diminishing returns.

Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
For your sake, I will assume that your spelling of my name is merely a typo, and not an attempted slur.

No, my boss wouldn't buy me the Revolution. I'd never need it at work, as I never scroll more than a page height or so. There's a guy who does work with much larger files and documents, and guess what? The boss did buy him a Revolution.

For the record, the "project" I mentioned earlier isn't work related. I write for fun, not for profit.

And no, I'm not going to buy the revolution for home use. As I posted earlier, I intend to buy the Logitech left-handed MX-610 when my trusty old MX-518 dies.



You, sir, contradict yourself. You essentially say that "nobody looks at anything long at home", and then go on to say "I don't know how you guys use your home PC..."

And, by the way, I like reading e-books and other forms of internet-distributed novels, so your point is invalid. Also, the revolution has been bought and used in my office, so that point is invalid too. For that matter, we might as well throw out all the contents of that quote.

(And, Tyinsar, having tried Razer mice, I can say that they really don't work for me. I like the curved Logitechs over the flat Razers.)

For my sake? Who do you think you are? Slur? Get over yourself...

contradict myself? more like you contradicting yourself. I never read anything even NEAR 200+ pages long at home (mind your tiny brain that this has to be a continuous document as that's what the wheel is for)... so how would I be contradicting myself? and you were the one who said you needed revolution cause you regularly read biochem manuals over 200+ pages... hmm who's contradicting what now?

really? you like reading e-books? maybe that's why you should get your eyes checked out. Or is that why you only write "for fun"? I said the revolution would be good for work use, NOT AT HOME. Which is what everyone is getting them for (home). Boss getting a revolution for an employee? maybe true and very unlikely but given your contradictions and your obvious inability to read, you have discredited yourself.



Please, stop now, you're embarrassing yourself, and clearly just being argumentative. You were the one who stated you needed the revolution for your biochem work. Further, liking e-books over normal books? yea... nice try. :)


Edit: where ever you work, I envy you. With such an idiotic boss, with no sense of financial spending at all... must get a lot of washroom breaks eh?

But hey now, let's not bicker, I've thought of something... How WOULD this be beneficial to people working with 200+ pages? Unless you're working with a lot of pictures (to use as mental landmarks, and even so with a lot of text, the landmarks are too sparse) I don't really understand how fast scrolling would be faster? I mean if you know what you're looking for, use the SEARCH button, faster then scrolling, and ALWAYS exact (pending you remembered the three words adjacent to each other). If you DON'T know what you're looking for, however fast you scroll won't really help now would it?

Which really begs to question.. why would you really need to scroll hyperfast?

Edit(again): and if you're reading an e-book (pdf) wouldn't you be reading in order? which begs the question... why not use a bookmark?

Reading data sheets? They're clearly organized according to topic... really no need to scroll through all 200 pages...

I can only think if it being useful only if you're editing some MAJOR chunks of text in a book/code and have to scroll to that particular section. But then again, if you know a particular section needs editing.. you already remember bits and pieces of what you wrote... which the search function would be faster again then skimming over the 200 words/sec scrolling the Revolution can do...

*repeats to self* I will not start a flame war on Nexxo's turf. I will not start a flame war on Nexxo's turf. I will not start a flame war on Nexxo's turf...

All you have managed to communicate to me are these two things:

1) You don't like the MX Revolution.
2) You are either stupid, or like starting flame wars. For that matter, it's probably both.

Originally Posted by tenpounds
Please, stop now, you're embarrassing yourself, and clearly just being argumentative.

Take your own advice. That might be the smartest thing you've said in this whole thread.

Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
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I'm probably not going to get one, though. When my trusty MX-518 dies, I'm going to get one of these:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2135,CONTENTID=11532

Logitech took their MX-610 and made it left-handed. Finally, a good, high-quality left-handed mouse.

To rant for a moment, the reason nobody is making left-handed mice is because so many of us are using right-handed mice! If every left-handed person insisted on a left-handed mouse, we would have a good 10-20% market share. Thus, we would get much more interest from major manufacturers.

Sorry, missed your post when I was skimming the posts. Didn't realize the lefty MX-610 had already been mentioned.

I like the idea of specifically going out & buying a lefty mouse but as stated, I like my Copperhead (we enthusiasts get picky about our mice don't we). I wouldn't mind checking out the MX-610 but the issues I mention earlier keep me from it - ah, guess I'll go look up some reviews anyway.

Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
*repeats to self* I will not start a flame war on Nexxo's turf. I will not start a flame war on Nexxo's turf. I will not start a flame war on Nexxo's turf...

:) ;) But, but, but, ah nevermind, you're right.

I regularly scroll through a few hundred pages of coding. It's the easiest way to bug skim.

Especially when Dreamweaver doesn't have brace grouping.

Also free wheeling down a load of pages is a lot easier then pressing Ctrl+F <search amount could be anything upto 100 characters>

Originally Posted by tenpounds
I'm sorry, I find this whole thing ridiculous.

Who here on a REGULAR basis looks at web pages/pdf/words documents with 200+ pages ?

I'm sorry, I find your comment ridiculous. The document doesn't need to be 200+ pages for the Free Spin technology to take affect, or noticeably make a difference. Since I've been using it, it's made my life a whole lot easier, as I used to find myself taking a LONG time just to scroll through a work log on these forums, but with this mouse it takes a second or so.

Not only that, but I also have various very large eBook PDFs here, and it makes it a breeze to scroll through them.

As for your comment about document flip vs. window flip... Well, document flip is a lot easier to access, especially with it being right on your mouse, whereas you have to press multiple buttons on your keyboard to bring up window flip in Vista. So yes, I feel it is better than window flip, however not as flashy.

Originally Posted by tenpounds
okay... so are you trying saying that use regularly open pdf''s that long?

you don't go to uni, do you ;)

5 day battery life, eh. hmm. my mx1000 lasts a fair bit longer than that - 2-3 weeks when it was new, now just over one. think i'll probably get another 1000 when this one gets knackered

Hmm the revolution looks damn nice, might get one after my MX1000 dies.

Dunno about all the features everyone seems to be arguing about, but for me the most important feature of any mice is comfort. 5 Day battery life isn't so bad, although I agree with Fod the MX1000 battery is just damn awesome. (Mine is still lasting up to 10-12days after a year of heavy use).

Same on the MX1000 battery here, I've had mine for years and it hasn't slowed down yet.

If only all batteries were this reliable!