I actually didn't sleep too well thinking about this chip!!! :)
I can't believe you didn't clock it!!! That's what I wanted to know!!
Still... Over £600... not too bad really.. I was expecting over £700 like when the FX57 was launched.
I was dissappointed to see the FEAR results... that's my main game at the moment (hence my absence from the CS:S server). I do plan on buying quake 4 however, and it seems to rock with that.
Do you still have the chip Tim? Can you clock it? Will it do 3GHz? Weird isn't it... once you've had a chip that does 3GHz, you can't seem to drop below that number ever again... kind of a psychological thing.
600 quids pretty cheap tbh, was expecting the chips to be other the 1k mark...
Resuilts arent hugely surprising, its basically an overclocked 4800 with unlocked multi's... Would be nice if you can give it a quick once over on the performance enhancement side tim, see if you cant squeeze a little more out of the chip.
Out of interest, what sort of temps are you seeing with the chip at stock? Idle/load etc..?
I was also expecting this to be a £1k part, nice to see they've slotted it in near the existing FXs despite the obvious improvement. I guess it's cheap enough for them to produce, though.
I'd also like to know how far you managed to clock this . Did it come with any improvement on the 4800+ cooler?
Just curious. The Opteron 170 is a 1mb cash per core 2.0ghz socket 939 chip. I have never seen any word of the socket 939 Opterons in the Bit-Tech news. I am running one now and love it. at $368 I'd say its a better buy than a 3800+ @ $330 usd. Good review :) always good to see AMD squish intel
I can't believe you didn't clock it!!! That's what I wanted to know!!
Something i noticed a distinct lack of in the presler review as well :|
I'd be happy to pop it under water in the expert if you don't have the time Tim ;)
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Just curious. The Opteron 170 is a 1mb cash per core 2.0ghz socket 939 chip. I have never seen any word of the socket 939 Opterons in the Bit-Tech news. I am running one now and love it. at $368 I'd say its a better buy than a 3800+ @ $330 usd. Good review always good to see AMD squish intel
Dual core opterons are pretty much impossible to get hold of in the UK at the moment unfortunately.
At CES I was discussing with another reviewer who said that with water cooling the chip has topped over 3.4, but that is an engineering sample.
Keep in mind, this has not been confirmed by Tim, who would probably throw something at me (and not the chip, sadly) for the suggestion that he should get to work now pushing max overclock. :) This review already took a bloody long time, and for good reason...lots of details, retests, etc. to make sure that you're getting fair and accurate marks with every chip on the same bios, drivers, etc.
If someone does go out and buy one to OC it, make sure you let us know how it performs!!!
If a moderately skilled overclocker has managed 3.4 on air I'd imagine over the next few months we can look forward to phase changed 4.0Ghz FX-60's....I'm practising the jaw drop
I personally have been waiting for a refined version of the AMD 64 X2 technology. Might just get into it now. But what I am thinking is that the overclocking must suck hard with these new X2 chips. The privies flagship was 2.8Ghz. Although we are getting now two cores at 2.6Ghz I was kinda hoping for at least 2.8Ghz or aim even higher 3.0Ghz. My other question you guys is it possible to take a low end X2 chip and overclock it to 2.6Ghz. Like the 4400+. Its clocked at 2.2Ghz with 1Mb cache for each core. I really wonder if I can clock that CPU at 2.6Ghz.
Originally Posted by Marquee I personally have been waiting for a refined version of the AMD 64 X2 technology. Might just get into it now. But what I am thinking is that the overclocking must suck hard with these new X2 chips. The privies flagship was 2.8Ghz. Although we are getting now two cores at 2.6Ghz I was kinda hoping for at least 2.8Ghz or aim even higher 3.0Ghz. My other question you guys is it possible to take a low end X2 chip and overclock it to 2.6Ghz. Like the 4400+. Its clocked at 2.2Ghz with 1Mb cache for each core. I really wonder if I can clock that CPU at 2.6Ghz.
you guys can go over xtremesystems there 2 or 3 guys with FX-60 they dont oc 3.4ghz on air not final ones and they have cold bug and you wont see 4.0ghz unless you have the best silicon and are very lucky....
Nah, they'll get 'em further yet. A good overclock, going by their standards, takes weeks or months to get done. I'm personally more curious to see what they can get the things to on phase cooling, even though I'm an air guy, I'd just like to see the limits of the chip.
Originally Posted by Marquee My other question you guys is it possible to take a low end X2 chip and overclock it to 2.6Ghz. Like the 4400+. Its clocked at 2.2Ghz with 1Mb cache for each core. I really wonder if I can clock that CPU at 2.6Ghz.
Nice CPU though.
Marquee, yes, it is quite possible. The 3800 easily overclocks above the 4800 with good air cooling. 4200 does as well. Don't know about the 4400, don't have that chip handy.
Since it's structually identical to a standard Toledo, their yield should be near as high as it's going to get; we might not see much better silicon in the near future. No doubt there will be a few gems, though ;)
Also be interested to see what the maniacs over at XS get it to do over time :D
Originally Posted by Marquee I personally have been waiting for a refined version of the AMD 64 X2 technology. Might just get into it now. But what I am thinking is that the overclocking must suck hard with these new X2 chips. The privies flagship was 2.8Ghz. Although we are getting now two cores at 2.6Ghz I was kinda hoping for at least 2.8Ghz or aim even higher 3.0Ghz. My other question you guys is it possible to take a low end X2 chip and overclock it to 2.6Ghz. Like the 4400+. Its clocked at 2.2Ghz with 1Mb cache for each core. I really wonder if I can clock that CPU at 2.6Ghz.
Nice CPU though.
I commonly run my 4400+ at 2.62Ghz very comfortably. But I intend to retire this chip to my wifes music studio rig so that I can bring in the FX-60 and break into 3Ghz territory now. I'm really excited about the unlocked multiplier on a dual core chip. The very thought makes me all fuzzy feeling inside :P
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I can't believe you didn't clock it!!! That's what I wanted to know!!
Still... Over £600... not too bad really.. I was expecting over £700 like when the FX57 was launched.
I was dissappointed to see the FEAR results... that's my main game at the moment (hence my absence from the CS:S server). I do plan on buying quake 4 however, and it seems to rock with that.
Do you still have the chip Tim? Can you clock it? Will it do 3GHz? Weird isn't it... once you've had a chip that does 3GHz, you can't seem to drop below that number ever again... kind of a psychological thing.
I'm getting one of these chips.
*learns the art of pro photography*
Resuilts arent hugely surprising, its basically an overclocked 4800 with unlocked multi's... Would be nice if you can give it a quick once over on the performance enhancement side tim, see if you cant squeeze a little more out of the chip.
Out of interest, what sort of temps are you seeing with the chip at stock? Idle/load etc..?
I'd also like to know how far you managed to clock this . Did it come with any improvement on the 4800+ cooler?
Something i noticed a distinct lack of in the presler review as well :|
I'd be happy to pop it under water in the expert if you don't have the time Tim ;)
Dual core opterons are pretty much impossible to get hold of in the UK at the moment unfortunately.
should be a pretty awesome chip if it clocks like previous FXs tho, my x2 is running at 2.6gig but it wont go much over that :(
the 4400 is identical to the fx60 except its 400mhz slower and isnt unlocked..
mine seems to max out about 2.7gig too...
But why did you use a 7800GT in your tests?
Keep in mind, this has not been confirmed by Tim, who would probably throw something at me (and not the chip, sadly) for the suggestion that he should get to work now pushing max overclock. :) This review already took a bloody long time, and for good reason...lots of details, retests, etc. to make sure that you're getting fair and accurate marks with every chip on the same bios, drivers, etc.
If someone does go out and buy one to OC it, make sure you let us know how it performs!!!
As soon as I get home tonight, my FX57 goes on Ebay, then as soon as SCan get stock, I'll have one the next day, so I'll let you know.
If a moderately skilled overclocker has managed 3.4 on air I'd imagine over the next few months we can look forward to phase changed 4.0Ghz FX-60's....I'm practising the jaw drop
Nice CPU though.
Clock rate is NOT everything. ;)
this cpu can oc quite nice with a single stage
Also be interested to see what the maniacs over at XS get it to do over time :D
I commonly run my 4400+ at 2.62Ghz very comfortably. But I intend to retire this chip to my wifes music studio rig so that I can bring in the FX-60 and break into 3Ghz territory now. I'm really excited about the unlocked multiplier on a dual core chip. The very thought makes me all fuzzy feeling inside :P
A bit of overclocking would of been a bonus, just have to wait I guess :)
Way out of my budget, but along with the realease of the AM2 it should help give a nice hefty price drop on the other X2's :D
Off topic:\ Any news on AM2?