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herbs 27th October 2005, 14:05 Quote
See your views are based on UK broadcasts with the use of low bit rates and high compression, I agree with you totally on the cramming as many channels you can on a mux and it will be worse when they all goto QAM64 with its own problems (as they stated they will when analogue is switched off) but then hopefully more bandwidth will be available but if they carry on the way they do it will be wasted. Also to get the newer channels in you will find the resolution not 720 x 576 but lower, a prime example is E4 which uses a non dvd format which is a pain in the arse if you want to burn a recording to DVD strangely enough E4+1 uses standard resolution (I can't remember but this may be on a different mux).
I think mpeg4 (BBC please use it) will be the saviour esp in HD resolution if we ever get it, but this leaves people with junk set top boxes but luckly pc uses should be fine if it comes to that if the software is updated. As your've already stated that the low bandwidth some channels are broadcasted some as low as 1mb but mpeg4 recording at this rate would be acceptable on a standard tv. But generally most people will still get a better picture with dvb-t than analogue on the main 5 channels which seem to use more bandwidth (accept itv who seem to be **** at encoding). Also the price difference between a hardware analogue card and a dvb-t card is nothing.
But it all comes down to the fact the analogue signal will be turned off, so there is no point getting an analogue card for over the air broadcasts at worse case get a combo analogue digital card like the compro dvb-t300 or Hauppauge HVR-1100 or 1300 etc.
mclean007 27th October 2005, 14:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by herbs
See your views are based on UK broadcasts with the use of low bit rates and high compression, I agree with you totally on the cramming as many channels you can on a mux
Yeah, the UK terrestrial DVB system seems to be the worst culprit, but Sky does exactly the same. I'm not sure how it works in the US etc. - hopefully you guys aren't so badly treated by the 'quantity-over-quality' demons. You deserve a decent system after all those years of NTSC!
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Also to get the newer channels in you will find the resolution not 720 x 576 but lower, a prime example is E4 which uses a non dvd format.
That's interesting - I didn't know that.
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I think mpeg4 (BBC please use it) will be the saviour esp in HD resolution if we ever get it, but this leaves people with junk set top boxes
Seconded! I think it is universally agreed that mpeg4 offers superior compression. However, unfortunately, as you point out, the installed user base of mpeg2 set top decoders means that the broadcasters are unlikely to jump to mpeg4 for fear of upsetting those who have invested in obsolete technology. When HD comes along, those same people will need to upgrade anyway, so hopefully the broadcasters will make a universal jump to h.264 / mpeg4 at that stage.
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but luckly pc uses should be fine if it comes to that if the software is updated.
Unfortunately, such users make up a very small minority of the installed user base - the great majority are using mpeg2 hardware which is not readily upgradeable to mpeg4.
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As your've already stated that the low bandwidth some channels are broadcasted some as low as 1mb but mpeg4 recording at this rate would be acceptable on a standard tv.
Problem is, what they're broadcasting at the moment is accepted by, if not acceptable to, most people on their bog standard 20" CRT or whatever. My fear is the broadcasters will look at their new broadcasts in mpeg4, say "ok, that's fine at (say) 600k/sec for Joe Average, let's cram in some more filler channels and add some 'value'". What we've got to hope for is that, as people begin to take up hi-res, large screen flat panels in greater numbers, and as hi-def recording formats roll out, the average consumer's tolerance for low quality TV will diminish. Until that point, broadcasters will keep shovelling out as much low-bitrate pap as they can to cater to every niche of the lowest common denominator.
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But generally most people will still get a better picture with dvb-t than analogue on the main 5 channels which seem to use more bandwidth (accept itv who seem to be **** at encoding). Also the price difference between a hardware analogue card and a dvb-t card is nothing.
But it all comes down to the fact the analogue signal will be turned off, so there is no point getting an analogue card for over the air broadcasts at worse case get a combo analogue digital card like the compro dvb-t300 or Hauppauge HVR-1100 or 1300 etc.
Agreed.
[USRF]Obiwan 27th October 2005, 17:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by mclean007
You reckon? With a decent analogue signal you get a nice smooth picture with good dynamic range.

Well maybe in your country. But over here, comparing analogue to the dvb-t signal is like comparing an "2000 times played, 10 year old" vhs video to a dvd.

And yes this is analogue cable television and not a old rf tv antenna from the 1960s. So here DVB-T (curently 29 channels) that all are good and it is almost dvd like quality.
mclean007 28th October 2005, 10:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
Well maybe in your country. But over here, comparing analogue to the dvb-t signal is like comparing an "2000 times played, 10 year old" vhs video to a dvd.

And yes this is analogue cable television and not a old rf tv antenna from the 1960s. So here DVB-T (curently 29 channels) that all are good and it is almost dvd like quality.
That's interesting. Here in the UK we have only ever had 5 channels of analogue terrestrial broadcast, so each has a generously wide bandwidth, which means the quality, with a good aerial in a good signal area, is considerably better than even the best VHS played for the first time.

By contrast, as I have said, the bitrate at which DVB-T is broadcast, even on the 'good' channels, is considerably below DVD quality, and on the worst channels, it is almost unwatchable, especially on a larger screen.

So I would say that, in the UK, comparing analogue to the dvb-t signal is like comparing a brand new SVHS tape to a divx movie which, depending on the channel, has been encoded at somewhere between horrendous and mediocre quality.
[USRF]Obiwan 28th October 2005, 16:54 Quote
Wow!

I wish my analogue signal was that good. As a sidenote, i have a 42" HD plasma on the wall. And i watched analogue on it... well i switched very fast to DVB-T because it was unwatchable at my plasma. Now it is, like i said before: almost dvd quality. The best picure i got, are the HD "downloaded" us series on my media pc that is connected to the HDMI input of my plasma. It is like watching thru a window so clear and colorfull.

The DVB standard has a longway to go or it is a dead walk. And since the european cup football next year is going to get HD all over it. I wonder how they are going to support that HD quality over the DVB to the consumer homes. To me it does not matter. If something else offers a better quality broadcast i will just hop on and not look back. But i wish i could just use mu HTPC to the full. And not half baked cakes as it is now. Maybe i'm just to early to jump on the HTPC hype... who knows.
tw1965 29th October 2005, 13:42 Quote
bigz,

The WinFast DTV you had tested is an old version (2.0.1.34 ?) in the Leadtek Multimedia CD 4.8.
There any many new features in the latest WinFast DTV :
- DirectBurn
- Silent Recording
- ...

You can download the latest WinFast DTV from the following link :
http://tw1965.myweb.hinet.net/WinFastDTV.htm

The WinFast DTV's EPG works in Australia, France and Taiwan.
It should works in UK.
Could you use the latest WinFast DTV and test the EPG funciton again?
tw1965 29th October 2005, 13:49 Quote
There are 5 multiplexers in Netherlands.
http://www.nozema.nl/radiotv/Techniek/VanAnaloogNaarDigitaal.html
But only one program is free-to-view.
The CONAX CAS (Conditional Access Systeem) is adopted.
http://www.conax.com/page/ab_customers_1.asp
tw1965 29th October 2005, 16:58 Quote
Somebody had bought the LR6650 from eBay UK last year.
You can use the WinFast DTV on the LR6650.
Please refer to the following link :
http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=10903
tw1965 29th October 2005, 17:10 Quote
If you want to try the WinFast DTV on your owned DVB-T card.
Please refer to the following link :
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=22392
MrWillyWonka 30th October 2005, 15:19 Quote
quintrouple posts, must be a record on these forums! The edit button is there for a reason!
Tim S 30th October 2005, 21:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by tw1965
bigz,

The WinFast DTV you had tested is an old version (2.0.1.34 ?) in the Leadtek Multimedia CD 4.8.
There any many new features in the latest WinFast DTV :
- DirectBurn
- Silent Recording
- ...

You can download the latest WinFast DTV from the following link :
http://tw1965.myweb.hinet.net/WinFastDTV.htm

The WinFast DTV's EPG works in Australia, France and Taiwan.
It should works in UK.
Could you use the latest WinFast DTV and test the EPG funciton again?
I will test later this week if I get the chance to, but I've got a busy schedule lined up so it might not be until this time next week. Why is the latest version not on Leadtek's website?
tw1965 31st October 2005, 00:41 Quote
The latest WinFast DTV 2.0.1.53 is in the Leadtek Multimedia CD 5.0 which is found in the Leadtek WinFast DTV Dongle product.
http://tw1965.myweb.hinet.net/WinFastDTV.htm
http://myweb.hinet.net/home14/tw1965/WinFastDTV_20153.zip

The WinFast DTV 2.0.1.48 is on Leadtek's website :
http://www.winfast.com.tw/eng/support/download.asp?downlineid=142&downline=WinFast%20DTV1000%20T
ftp://ftp.leadtek.com.tw/tv_tuner/DTV1000_T/WinFastDTV1007.exe
I_Slider_I 1st November 2005, 18:17 Quote
lol I think you guys lost me with all your jargon. I was really trying to find how this card stacks up to the competion, or wether its better to wait for a different card, if you want Linux compatability.
tw1965 2nd November 2005, 01:16 Quote
Hi,

Dave had a patch for this "low signal strength" issue.
And Michael Krufky add this patch into v4l-kernel cvs. "WinFast DTV1000-T" is now cx88 card #35.

Please refer to the following link :
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=24819
paulgee31 11th November 2005, 11:42 Quote
Anyone know if/where you can purchase this card yet?

I've been please with my Winfast card in the past, was contemplating a Compro DVB 200 but get the feeling the software can be troublesome.

Any views would be helpful.

Cheers

Paul.
Enak 11th November 2005, 12:08 Quote
The hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1300 will be out soon...

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_hvr1300.html
paulgee31 18th November 2005, 10:17 Quote
I think the HVR-1300 is about twice the price. I've seen the DTV 1000 for about £40 where as the HVR-1300 is about £95. Though it does has hardware encoders but how often would you use them unless you are copying from VHS etc. Which I intended to do a bit of but would the software encoding be good enough? Argghhhhhh so much confusion in my mind!!
Enak 18th November 2005, 10:29 Quote
Hardware encoding takes the load away from the cpu so you should get smoother cleaner video (hardware encoders often produce better quality video too), less heat from your cpu (useful for HTPC) and no problems when you have multiple cards receiving many channels.

There is always the HVR-1100...
Rob Mac 10th January 2006, 23:27 Quote
Hi, I have just purchased this card, the TV part works well, but the video capture is not good at all. I was wondering if anyone else has tried it. I can only save as mpg and when imported in windows movie maker for editing it says it is a audio file
Enak 11th January 2006, 21:13 Quote
The video is encoded as MPG because that's what the video stream is. The card doesn't have a hardware encoder, so transcoding would put a heavy load on the system.

Windows Movie maker is not suitable for editing the files. You'll need something like TMPENC
Rob Mac 12th January 2006, 06:08 Quote
Thanks for getting back to me so promptly, But I think I'm in a different spot. The Analog Capture Profile has in my screen MPEG-1, MEG-2, VCD,Super VCD, DVD,
windows Media, AVI and MPEG-4, but only MPEG works, why have the other options?
Enak 12th January 2006, 22:04 Quote
You will need to check with Leadtek about that.
sjbjava 7th February 2006, 20:35 Quote
I have read that some HDTV cards with hardware encoding don't support analog hardware encoding. Does the Leadtek card support analog too? Does the Leadtek card support either/both hardware encoding?
ketansan 19th August 2006, 11:39 Quote
Hi, I have recently installed a DTV 1000 T on Windows XP Pro.
It works fine, lots of channels picked up, and very stable etc.
Only thing is, I've not been able to use the EPG without it crashing the programme everytime. Tried to download new drivers etc. the leadtek support is not all that user-friendly. Emailed them too, but no reply.

If anyone's had the same issue and better luck, please help! Idiots guide pls.

Ketansan
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