Read the conclusion... it doesn't come without its shortfalls, and I have discussed the HardOCP article with Rich before this one was published. Our last sentence is probably the most important sentence of the whole review.
Woah well nice :D
Should get some more reviews soon too, Shepps has just picked one up :D
Bodes well for the upcoming ATI xpress based desktop boards too, the teething troubles with the soutthbridge seem to be sorted thanks to the ALI implementation :)
The multi monitor support is a very nice touch too, should allow for a movie to be watched at the same time as playing a game with little performance hit. The integrated graphics don't seem to hurt system performance much either which is great to see :D
The only "problem" with the southbridge is that you have to have a floppy to install SATA drivers on win install, big deal. Once youve done that it's strawberrys and waffles.
Installing an NVIDIA card into an ATI IGP after youve been using the IGP gives you an error (naturally! both drivers try to use the same space) but upon reboot we had no problems.
The EQS techs (who made the ATi board with ATi southbridge) highlighted some concerns about a mixed chipset - ati and uli, because in theory it can lead to more stability issues but we never had a problem once the drivers were installed.
Like every PC you ever use, youve got to get used to it and know how to use it - hell it takes me just as long to bench every damn board as it does to work out how to use the damn thing properly!
Mine should arrive on thursday :D Getting an athlon 64 3700+ san diego too. Hopefully this shuttle wont give me as many problems as my SN85G4 v1 does! Im hoping the dual display is going to work as i want it to, so i can game + watch a movie at the time.
Umm, I may be all wet here, but perhaps for overclocking performance, you could have picked a different chip? I thought it had been rumored that the best overclockers were really around the venice 3200+ line...? Wouldn't using a 4000+ pretty well hurt your OC anyway?
Hehehe.. :) Sorry Bindi, wasn't meaning to make it into what you had available. You know I understand you only have so much kicking around there! I'm just wondering if that's part of why the OC performance wasn't there as much. On what does the 4000+ do 220?
EDIT: I have a hardware article for you sometime, if you'd be so inclined. Maybe take the most common cores, OC them all to the best they'll do on halfway decent air cooling, and see which one does the best at a few bench tests. For instance, I'm having the hardest time convincing some people that taking a 3200+ to 4000+ speed makes a better overall system than the 4000+ alone due to memory increases and such. It'll also let us know really what the best performers are, if they can all be compared in one article.
It's OT, but there's no doubting the theory that 3200+ @ 4000+ would do better than a stock 4000+, but just how many FPS that translates to, who knows. Well, ok, you're asking us to find out :D
But I don't think anyone who knows about such things would argue with you - do you want to post their counter-arguments in a new thread somewhere?
Pope, these are people I deal with outside of these forums. I would hope the bit-techers would know better! :) It would just be nice to see a definitive OC article showing a few of the different cores of each of the P4 and AMD, and see what they could get up to on a decent clock. I know part of it is luck of draw, but there's some fairly stable OC numbers for some of these chips...since BT is a site I can safely use as reliable information when I qoute, it would be a great place to see this type of article. I figure it would be a good first act from the "Keep Bindi Busy" coalition. ;)
I don't think the processor has anything to do with the overclocking performance... if you lower the multiplier, you should be able to clock the chip farther than a 3200+ on the same multiplier.
I think it is related to the lack of HTT adjustment - it doesn't seem very stable above 1000MHz HTT.
Originally Posted by Da Dego I figure it would be a good first act from the "Keep Bindi Busy" coalition. ;)
Get the hell outa here. I have my time totally filled with other mobos, watching animes and american TV, reading, sleeping, going to gigs and general bumming around thank-you-very-much. :O:P
edit: forgot "arguing with Roto on MSN", which takes H-O-U-R-S
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi Get the hell outa here. I have my time totally filled with other mobos, watching animes and american TV, reading, sleeping, going to gigs and general bumming around thank-you-very-much. :O:P
edit: forgot "arguing with Roto on MSN", which takes H-O-U-R-S
Hehehe...See, there's time to fill! :) You're on MSN?
@bigz,
Thanks! I suppose that makes sense, just a pretty darn low limit to OC (Then again, it is a shuttle!).
I have my ST20G5 at 220Mhz FSB rock solid stable, Prime95 for 24 hours included. (2.8Ghz CPU core, FX55 90nm...my board is a clock locked prerelease)
8x HTT setting. I am using 533Mhz DDR in the first place, so that helps.
My benchmarks using a Radeon x850 XT PE 512MB:
3DMark05: 6188 3DMarks CPU Score 5780 CPUMarks
3DMark03: 12908 3DMarks CPU Score 1304 CPUMarks
Been playing around my ST20G5 today. Dual screening with pci-e gfx + onboard doesn't work as i was hoping it would. Maybe its a windows problem, but i cant game on one monitor and watch a movie on the other screen, which is what i was hoping to be able to do. That and slicing my thumb open on one of the pci slot covers makes me :(
edit: game runs fine full screen on my primary display, but some of the windows desktop pokes over onto the second display, which messes up the movie playback..
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£260 might be a little expensive tho...
If i had the cash id love to mod it with some paint job or something, but there has been loads of G style mods done already mind.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzgx
or have they fixed the drivers? it almost appears you were reviwing a seperate shuttle.
Should get some more reviews soon too, Shepps has just picked one up :D
Bodes well for the upcoming ATI xpress based desktop boards too, the teething troubles with the soutthbridge seem to be sorted thanks to the ALI implementation :)
The multi monitor support is a very nice touch too, should allow for a movie to be watched at the same time as playing a game with little performance hit. The integrated graphics don't seem to hurt system performance much either which is great to see :D
Installing an NVIDIA card into an ATI IGP after youve been using the IGP gives you an error (naturally! both drivers try to use the same space) but upon reboot we had no problems.
The EQS techs (who made the ATi board with ATi southbridge) highlighted some concerns about a mixed chipset - ati and uli, because in theory it can lead to more stability issues but we never had a problem once the drivers were installed.
Like every PC you ever use, youve got to get used to it and know how to use it - hell it takes me just as long to bench every damn board as it does to work out how to use the damn thing properly!
We shall see in a couple of days hopefully!
Shepps - where did you order yours?
Logan: You can get them from aria.co.uk and icubes.co.uk IIRC
microdirect, ebuyer, etc all those places stock em now.
EDIT: I have a hardware article for you sometime, if you'd be so inclined. Maybe take the most common cores, OC them all to the best they'll do on halfway decent air cooling, and see which one does the best at a few bench tests. For instance, I'm having the hardest time convincing some people that taking a 3200+ to 4000+ speed makes a better overall system than the 4000+ alone due to memory increases and such. It'll also let us know really what the best performers are, if they can all be compared in one article.
But I don't think anyone who knows about such things would argue with you - do you want to post their counter-arguments in a new thread somewhere?
I think it is related to the lack of HTT adjustment - it doesn't seem very stable above 1000MHz HTT.
ocuk *taps feet waiting*
Get the hell outa here. I have my time totally filled with other mobos, watching animes and american TV, reading, sleeping, going to gigs and general bumming around thank-you-very-much. :O:P
edit: forgot "arguing with Roto on MSN", which takes H-O-U-R-S
@bigz,
Thanks! I suppose that makes sense, just a pretty darn low limit to OC (Then again, it is a shuttle!).
8x HTT setting. I am using 533Mhz DDR in the first place, so that helps.
My benchmarks using a Radeon x850 XT PE 512MB:
3DMark05: 6188 3DMarks CPU Score 5780 CPUMarks
3DMark03: 12908 3DMarks CPU Score 1304 CPUMarks
edit: game runs fine full screen on my primary display, but some of the windows desktop pokes over onto the second display, which messes up the movie playback..