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Critical Hit: Games as a Service

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mucgoo 4th June 2011, 09:57 Quote
I believe WOW has been doing everything you just described for 7 years now.
SexyHyde 4th June 2011, 10:09 Quote
We shall see. To me the only games that can pull it off are mmo's, Activision / Call of Duty has turned a lot of its fans into enemies. With each release less people buy it and more complain. Would I buy a game as a service? No. Not while I can buy the type of games I like as products. Will I ever? I honestly don't think so, not while my steam account has loads of unfinished games. I guess it may be time to start taking more advantage of the steam sales. Just in case all games become services, at least that way I'll have a back log of games as products. I wonder if I'm the only one hoping it falls on its face, oh and prepared to keep my money on my pocket.
Toploaded 4th June 2011, 10:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by SexyHyde
We shall see. To me the only games that can pull it off are mmo's, Activision / Call of Duty has turned a lot of its fans into enemies. With each release less people buy it and more complain.

I wish that was true, but MW2 and Blops sold very well, better then the vastly superior CoD2 and 4 I think, and this is the problem. For every old fan they turn into an enemy, they seem to find 10 more young teenagers with daddy's credit card to replace them.

This is why when something great comes out that supports what I believe in, I have promised to vote with my wallet. Witcher 2 I brought full price although it was not normally a game I would have needed to rush to get (but worth saying, I'm so glad I did!), as I will BF3 if it ticks most of the right boxes. The last 2 Call of Duty games, I have not brought or even played, I might if they go under £10 in a Steam sale and that's it.
TheLegendJoe 4th June 2011, 11:06 Quote
The new vegas idea sounds good, if they implemented that it'd be epic! Imagine if they had giant tournaments (online) in Mr Houses casino once in a while, poker would probably benefit the most. And everyone gets something for participating (a cool hat or something), it'd keep people coming back to see whats new and make them more likely to buy the DLC! Not that it will ever happen... Such a poorly made game :P Lets hope the new engines decent ;)
wardogz 4th June 2011, 11:44 Quote
Just another way of exploiting children, who buy into this rubbish as they have no real aspect of money, parents end up footing the bill as these companies know only too well.
jimmyjj 4th June 2011, 11:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by mucgoo
I believe WOW has been doing everything you just described for 7 years now.

You have a point there.

Bringing this comment back to the article, Blizzard get away with this and are allowed to make ridiculous sums of money because they keep their side of the bargain - constantly innovating, expanding, patching and improving.

CoD as a service CAN wok, IF they keep their side of the bargain. New maps, game mods, weapons, perks - constantly patching the game to improve it and stay on top of hackers. This will be worth subscribing to.

If they are going to try to charge people just for a few tools like clan management they will deservedly fail.

Basically people are not stupid. They will pay for something worth having and they will not pay for something that is crap.
SexyHyde 4th June 2011, 12:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by jimmyjj
Basically people are not stupid. They will pay for something worth having and they will not pay for something that is crap.

Most people are stupid! How many people paid full price + £10 for what amounts to an expansion pack. Activision made loads of money off people, but continue to make money from stupid people.
sp4nky 4th June 2011, 14:01 Quote
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Basically people are not stupid. They will pay for something worth having and they will not pay for something that is crap.

Most people are stupid! How many people paid full price + £10 for what amounts to an expansion pack. Activision made loads of money off people, but continue to make money from stupid people.

That just means that Activision looked at its market and priced the expansion pack sensibly. For a lot of gamers, £10 is probably the upper limit of throw-away money, i.e. something that can be blown very easily, without a lot of thought.

For me, it's half a nice meal out or approximately 2 cinema tickets. I'm sure I'll get more enjoyment out of a PC game that costs £10 than 3 hours in a cinema or a couple of plates of sushi.
SexyHyde 4th June 2011, 15:00 Quote
I meant the game costs £10 more than others at retail and its not a new game just a short single player with tweaked weapons. these types of games/expansions used to cost £10-15. the DLC is £10 but is an option i only took once and will not be doing again.
jimmyjj 4th June 2011, 15:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by jimmyjj
Basically people are not stupid. They will pay for something worth having and they will not pay for something that is crap.

Most people are stupid! How many people paid full price + £10 for what amounts to an expansion pack. Activision made loads of money off people, but continue to make money from stupid people.

Most people are stupid? No. Some people merely have different values to yourself.

Lets say you play CoD all the time, you are in a clan or your real life friends play and you chat with them and have a good laugh while you play. An expansion pack adds a handful of really good maps that extend your fun and enjoyment by perhaps hundreds of hours.

Hundred of hours of fun for £10? As Sp4nky said, £10.00 is not a lot of money these days.

I am not a fan of CoD I am just playing devils advocate. I personally would not pay £10.00 for a map pack, but if someone else does it does not mean that they are stupid.
wiggles 4th June 2011, 16:15 Quote
Does the state of the gaming industry at the moment indicate that it is likey to make this a good thing or bad thing for gamers?
echeb 4th June 2011, 16:45 Quote
this is Exactly what bungie have been doing since halo 3 but for FREE, even down to the colour schemes! now theres a company that knows how to look after its fans. see! http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Default.aspx?player=R16+echeb
SexyHyde 4th June 2011, 18:30 Quote
Most people are stupid - this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. £10 may not be a lot of money, but, its £10 more then everyone else is charging for similar content.
Kaihekoa 4th June 2011, 19:52 Quote
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Just another way of exploiting children, who buy into this rubbish as they have no real aspect of money, parents end up footing the bill as these companies know only too well.

Yep, and Activision will continue to milk the teets so long as their are millions of kids and other gamers with more money than sense who are willing to pay $60 for a game every year plus $15 map packs (and now a subscription).
SMIFFYDUDE 4th June 2011, 21:06 Quote
Most people are stupid (or at least ignorant) for forking out for content you used to get for nothing.
r8bwp 5th June 2011, 00:25 Quote
http://www.techspot.com/news/44086-ea-launching-digital-download-service-origin-to-rival-steam.html#comments
on June 3, 2011
11:43 AM I have over a hundred games on steam. so middle finger EA!

Ea is based in Guildford 20 miles from me.

Steam has done me well through many many years.

EA grrrrreeen eyes looking at STEAMS greener grass!!!

From General E Psychotic
Shichibukai 5th June 2011, 00:44 Quote
mucgoo 5th June 2011, 10:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by r8bwp
http://www.techspot.com/news/44086-ea-launching-digital-download-service-origin-to-rival-steam.html#comments
on June 3, 2011
11:43 AM I have over a hundred games on steam. so middle finger EA!

Ea is based in Guildford 20 miles from me.

Steam has done me well through many many years.

EA grrrrreeen eyes looking at STEAMS greener grass!!!

From General E Psychotic

Why are people so loyal to steam. Nothing wrong with a new comer and so more competition and cheaper prices.
r8bwp 5th June 2011, 12:37 Quote
Why are people so loyal to steam. Nothing wrong with a new comer and so more competition and cheaper prices.

Loyalty has to be earnt bit like friendship and sometimes not easily given(The Steam platform has served me well. I was using steam when it was part of VALVE , so for me tried and tested)

We have alot of corner shops which you pay through the nose for the convenience. Just because they are the source of their games doesn`t necessitarily mean cheaper,

Cheaper prices lol I wish

Whilst on the subject might as well go for the whole DREAM and ask for better games, or a return to the old days when games contained bonus materials and took weeks to complete.

I believe that EA has got green envious eyes for steams Loyal fans and i believe that steam is dedicated to gamers and online gaming. I have bought many a game from them at discounted prices. The 2K pack 30 odd games for £54(not on sale now).


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
SexyHyde 5th June 2011, 13:13 Quote
Steam have very much earned the loyalty they now have. When steam was first released it was rubbish, buggy and parts of it just didn't work, but they listened to the complaint and suggestions and implemented them essentially making it what the users wanted. The only complaint I hear about steam now is the price of games @ preorder and release, which are higher then other outlets. But on the flip side there discounts are much greater then others. Steam works amazingly well for a lot of people as it is made for gamers to game first and make money second, I think EA might be trying to make a system the tries to make money first and help gamers game second, although I hope I'm wrong.
infered101 5th June 2011, 17:07 Quote
Some of you guys talk like selling expansions or map packs is some new idea. That the industry is just trying to screw the average consumer over. Um I hate to break it to you but paid map packs and paid expansions have pretty much existed since the internet really started interweaving with video gaming.

Come on now it's convoluted to think that the industry should just stay stagnant. That they should stay the same, if they did that than online gaming wouldn't exist, there would only be your single player "take weeks to complete" games. Think any other industry, they always, for better or worse, change to try something new.

Me personally I like online games. I would much rather pay extra to get a map pack and get even more enjoyment out of a game. You use to pay what 30, 40, 50$ for a game. Now you pay $60, so would you rather companies just start asking for lets say $75 dollars for a game or maybe a hundred as long as it includes the map packs. Sorry that would price the average consumer out of buying games.
So map packs and expansions are there way to make more money. Now this subscription model will make more money for them. It's going to happen and quite frankly it's not a negative thing to pay for it as long it expands on what you already have.

Hey that's just my 2 cents as quite frankly I think some people are pigheaded to think that companies are attacking the common class and rapping our kids or something. We are there money don't forgot
tad2008 5th June 2011, 17:13 Quote
Have never been a CoD fan but did used to be hugely in to black hawk down, joined up with a very friendly and passionate about the game squad (covert urban militia), all who went on to add the team sabre expansion for the new missions, weapons and gameplay additions. We also spent a lot of hours creating our own custom maps to play and share with some surprisingly creative results.

Providing players with a decent map editor that allows the gaming community to share their own creations to me at least, is more preferable than shelling out £10-£15 for a handful of new maps and maybe a couple of extra weapons. Especially when this amounts to a couple of hours creating a new map and adding a few extra textures for new weapons with differing stats.

I like the articles suggestion for New Vegas though as it provides an expansion on to the existing content and game world and brings greater value and enjoyment to existing content, something which is clearly lacking in a lot of todays games.

Developers can and indeed have create immersive games over the years but then left us high and dry almost desperate to relieve those favourable moments or the chance to get something more from the game and see it continue to grow as our characters or us as players have also grown.
slothy89 6th June 2011, 05:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by SexyHyde
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Originally Posted by jimmyjj
Basically people are not stupid. They will pay for something worth having and they will not pay for something that is crap.

Most people are stupid! How many people paid full price + £10 for what amounts to an expansion pack. Activision made loads of money off people, but continue to make money from stupid people.
Only reasons I bought the DLC for black ops are this:
1) on PC all non dlc servers are pretty much NukeTown exclusives, so AU$13 is worth the 4 new maps plus the other 11 I would never get to play.
2) the couple clans I play with both upgraded their servers to dlc so I need it to be able to continue gaming with them. PC is a bitch when it comes to paid dlc..
SexyHyde 6th June 2011, 18:43 Quote
I like valves dlc model for tf2. Which is why I will definitely buy more of their products in the future. This is the 'other' way, its a way that makes customers become fans and keeps the community whole, unlike Activision who split their customers in two with their dlc ( those that have it and those that do not ).
Jedibeeftrix 7th June 2011, 10:03 Quote
gaming as a service?

no way, never!

mmorpgs already are a service, but they are by nature a service.

to me a non-mmo game is a crafted product that i wish to own, not an experince i wish to temporarily lease.

i will not support developers that try o distort their products into a service, and i did not buy assassins creed 2 for this very reason.
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