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Cheese 9th October 2005, 17:29 Quote
No eldar scrolls? That's what I'm looking forwards to most ;)
PA!N 9th October 2005, 18:01 Quote
Mmmmmm sweet...
DarkReaper 9th October 2005, 18:36 Quote
Nice eye-candy, but the backwards compatibility issue is very annoying. Surely it would be possible to use the 360 hardware to run a generic XBox emulator? Or would they be worried that then it could be hijacked to run xbox games on the PC?
DivineSin 9th October 2005, 18:45 Quote
I'm sure if the system uses profiles to run games, some older less popular ones will get a little community following to produce profiles for them.
woodshop 9th October 2005, 22:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cheese
No eldar scrolls? That's what I'm looking forwards to most ;)

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

they addd 6 new ones on the 6th i think
Firehed 9th October 2005, 23:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by DarkReaper
Nice eye-candy, but the backwards compatibility issue is very annoying. Surely it would be possible to use the 360 hardware to run a generic XBox emulator? Or would they be worried that then it could be hijacked to run xbox games on the PC?
What do they care as long as you bought the game?

I mean, sure, piracy, but you can pirate the thing to play it on the console already, as seeing as they don't profit on the console (well maybe they do, I dunno if the console price drops were overshadowed by hardware costs dropping), it almost makes more sense to just charge $30 for a legal emulator or something.

Screenies look impressive, but probably somewhat less so on a huge TV versus a 4" image. That last one of Q4... dayam! Still, I've longsince given up on consoles, unless I have to get my occasional FFVII fix.
Bindibadgi 9th October 2005, 23:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by DarkReaper
Nice eye-candy, but the backwards compatibility issue is very annoying. Surely it would be possible to use the 360 hardware to run a generic XBox emulator? Or would they be worried that then it could be hijacked to run xbox games on the PC?

Used to curb piracy - you need to download the specific profiles in order to play. It's annoying considering the game you like playing may not be supported.. ever.

Looks nice, like the thought of custom.. everything, or at least they say. Dont like the online.. everything though :(
PA!N 10th October 2005, 13:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by woodshop
http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

they addd 6 new ones on the 6th i think

Looking very sweet, but somehow, I think the screenshots from the pc version look "better"...
blue_lawnchair 10th October 2005, 14:29 Quote
The one thing I don't get is what is the big problem with backwards compatibility, the PS3 and Revolution both have the feature, plus the PS3 does it without the HDD and from both previous systems. Another thing the older playstation consoles used different media for the games.
FredsFriend 10th October 2005, 14:41 Quote
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The one thing I don't get is what is the big problem with backwards compatibility, the PS3 and Revolution both have the feature, plus the PS3 does it without the HDD and from both previous systems. Another thing the older playstation consoles used different media for the games.
Because microsoft is a company that doesn't do anything unless it can see a clear profit for doing it. They caught a load of flack for not offering any when they first announced it, so they are now doing a half-arsed version of it that won't bean adding extra hardware at the last minute.
Flibblebot 10th October 2005, 15:11 Quote
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Because microsoft is a company that doesn't do anything unless it can see a clear profit for doing it.
Really? How much money has the Xbox division made Microsoft...?
Backwards compatibility is a problem, but it's not a show-stopper for me: if I want to play old games, I'll use my Xbox - there is no benefit to running them on x360, so why even try?

I think that it is an issue only for a small section of people, for a short period of time while the console is still new. It's not such a huge problem.

Hands up all those people who consistently and currently use their PS2 to play PSX games?
Da Dego 10th October 2005, 16:05 Quote
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Hands up all those people who consistently and currently use their PS2 to play PSX games?
*raises hand*

FFVII, GT2, MGS, FFT
Flibblebot 10th October 2005, 16:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Da Dego
*raises hand*
I knew there'd be someone who stepped up to the mark :(
Sod's law...
DarkReaper 10th October 2005, 17:06 Quote
Keeping an old PSOne around isn;t a big deal - it's the size of a large hardback book. Keeping an old XBox around, however...
Da Dego 10th October 2005, 17:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
I knew there'd be someone who stepped up to the mark :(
Sod's law...
Hehe...sorry Flibblebot, you picked a bad console, though. IMHO some of the best console games of all time were PSX games. And as for 'easier to keep a PSX around', let's not forget that size isn't the only problem...that's one more set of connectors to your TV. Backwards compatibility is more important than it seems..
JasonDJ 10th October 2005, 19:25 Quote
PS2 and PSX both used the same a/v and power cables. No need for a second input on the TV.

Question is, Will the 360 be using the same a/v and power cables as the xbox? If so, no big deal. Just need to keep your xbox hanging around...the only problem that comes in is if you use the component a/v...AFAIK those won't work on the regular xbox...will they?
Da Dego 10th October 2005, 19:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by JasonDJ
PS2 and PSX both used the same a/v and power cables. No need for a second input on the TV.

Question is, Will the 360 be using the same a/v and power cables as the xbox? If so, no big deal. Just need to keep your xbox hanging around...the only problem that comes in is if you use the component a/v...AFAIK those won't work on the regular xbox...will they?
But why have to move any cables around when you can just have it all work by sticking a disc in? :) If I had to be arsed to do all that, I probably wouldn't do it. Backwards compat FTW!
WilHarris 10th October 2005, 19:37 Quote
AFAIK, it's different cables.
metarinka 10th October 2005, 23:40 Quote
backwards compatibility is a big issue to me, there's some xbox games I would get if I bought a 360 yet I don't currently have one and I'm not gonna pick them one up to play it. Also if your like me you still have an abundance of old PS1 games yet my PS1 went missing or broke many years ago. Every so often we do bust out MGS or crash bandicoot team racing, or what not. It's just a convience thing really
Cadillac Ferd 11th October 2005, 06:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by PA!N
Looking very sweet, but somehow, I think the screenshots from the pc version look "better"...

Have they made any distinction between the two versions yet? Last I checked all I had seen were generic screenshots and videos running on 360 hardware at X05 and TGS.
Alllsssoooo...
Elder Scrolls is confirmed as before christmas for certain right? So that means y'all in Europe (since you guys dont get 360's till december) only have a couple weeks at the very most to wait for Oblivion (which looks friggen sweet btw)

And a note about backwards compatability...

The biggest hurdle is the fact that the Xbox and the 360 are so friggen different on a hardware structural basis. The Xbox was a Pentium 3 processor built on the regular X86 architecture with a nvidia graphics chip. The 360 uses a custom multiple-core processor built on the powerpc architecture with an ati designed graphics chip. The hardware is just vastly different, it's not like MS is just trying to get more money really, I'm sure the only way they could do it is to have some sort of emulation. I really don't think that it will be that big of a deal I'm sure, the big favorites will probably come loaded on the box right away and its not like distributing the profiles will be that hard considering that each box comes with a basic live membership.

Also...
Someone made a point about the fact that the ps2 was amazing in the fact it supported the ps1 media discs while using a seperate type of media... It was just a regular cd for ps1 and ps2 was just a dvd disc. I have yet to see a dvd drive that can't read regular cd's... well not unless its broken... or just really poorly designed.

Furthermore...
WHAT THE HELL IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SIZE OF AN XBOX?? It's seriously not that big! We have 3 in our damned dormroom. Has anyone seen the size of the ps3? It's way bigger, I'm totally nonstop waving that fact around when it releases nonstop to everyone who ever mentioned size being a huge showstopping issue.
DivineSin 11th October 2005, 06:11 Quote
I think the problem for microsoft is that they would have to include the xbox's chip on the 360's motherboard to run the games. I could be wrong but this is the same way the playstation 2 run psx games. This would be a problem because the pentium 3 chip would be a costly addition to the 360. Not a 50-100 dollar addition but still something more to add onto the price. If this isnt the case, sorry.
Cadillac Ferd 11th October 2005, 06:26 Quote
I googled that and I did find a few mentions of people saying that the ps2 had the ps1 chip in it somewhere to do backwards comptability, but I don't really know if thats the truth or not.
[USRF]Obiwan 12th October 2005, 10:08 Quote
Maybe this would be my second console I wanna have since the Atari 2600 :D
Yes oldschool here....

I do not care about backward compatibility. Who wants to play old games anyways. I love the idea that it can play video streams from oher pc's on the network but i bet it would only play wm files :( and not divx,xvid etc...

What i have seen from the presentation pictures it had a MCE button. So maybe you can use the x360 as a media extender also.

And the price is right too, 300 euro for the non hd version and 400 euro for the x with the HD (that comes a few months later) But then again i would have modded the non-hd version allready and put the hd into it myself...
Cadillac Ferd 12th October 2005, 18:35 Quote
haha, if you're going to mod it anyways I'm sure you'll be able to play divx and avi's. The original xbox was alot of fun to mod like that.
metarinka 15th October 2005, 22:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cadillac Ferd
...Furthermore...
WHAT THE HELL IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SIZE OF AN XBOX?? It's seriously not that big! We have 3 in our damned dormroom. Has anyone seen the size of the ps3? It's way bigger, I'm totally nonstop waving that fact around when it releases nonstop to everyone who ever mentioned size being a huge showstopping issue.

last time I checked I could fit a GC all the games and 3 controllers in my backpack
same goes with ps2. The issue isn't really a showstopper but if you move around alot from lan to lan etc its nice to have everything in such a small package like the GC, but they are all a lot more portable than either of my compy's so I guess I cna't complain that much.
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