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WilHarris 13th September 2005, 07:57 Quote
I do apologise for saying standard def was 320x240. It's been too long since I played consoles :(
WilHarris 13th September 2005, 07:58 Quote
Endoxus - a guide to that would be sweet!
mushky 13th September 2005, 11:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Endoxus

1080i/1080p: the screen resolution is 1920x1080 16:9. This is true high definition resolution. however I know many of you are choking on your video leads at that insane resolution, you have to understand this: unless you want to spend an INSANE amount of money you will never get a screen to realise this resolution. an HDTV image of 1920x1080 can be scaled to fit 1366x768, 1280x960, 1024x768, 852x480. Most of the high end plasmas on the market today are at the 1366x768/1280x960 mark. the best quality plasma on the market today, the Pioneer PDP505HD is a 1280x960 resolution. few dare to go higher, Panasonic offer a 1366x768 model.
720p is still considered HDTV, and many of the cheaper HD panels on the market today simply accept a 1080 signal and "downconvert" it to 720p. These panels can be called: EDTV's (Enhanced Definition TV's). many budget models are only EDTV, but by FCC standards it is still considered HD.

1080i is available, but 1080p is very expensive . And for high motion stuff the interlaced signal on 1080i actually looks worse than 720p.

Saying that 720p is inferior to 1080i is wrong IMO. Still images look better in 1080i. 1080p is a different matter altogether, and totally awesome :)

* 1080i and 720p require about the same bandwidth when showing live action
* A 1080i image has twice as many pixels, while 720p shows twice as many frames per second.
* A common opinion is that 720p is better for sporting events, while 1080i looks better for documentaries, dramas, and most things that come 24 frames per second.
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Originally Posted by statix
You guys are seriously out of touch if you think this looks good for an Xbox game or are representative of what the Xbox can do. There are many games that look waaaay better than this. These screens are pretty much crap.
Could you do me a list please?
DarkReaper 13th September 2005, 14:10 Quote
I just have to laugh at all the people banging on about how HDTV gives much better resolution...

Guys, this is an xbox. No HDTV!
mushky 13th September 2005, 14:17 Quote
Erm. Yes there is. It's just that MS have decided that us Europeans are too poor or backward to have high def displays so they stripped the HD dashboard options from the PAL xbox and also PAL games (which are higher res than NTSC on normal displays.).

Depends on the game in question. I have a few 720p Xbox games, and even some 1080i ones.

no Xbox HDTV?

laugh away mate.
DarkReaper 13th September 2005, 14:29 Quote
Doh

Forgot that they can get it over in america... My stupid :(
mushky 13th September 2005, 14:31 Quote
It's not fair really. PAL Xbox's have the hardware to output a high def signal but MS just disabled it. Bummers.

The only proper way to play HL2 in high def has nothing to do with an Xbox anyway :)
TILT 13th September 2005, 18:35 Quote
LOL it looks crappy, and i think that's a very good think. Just because this game was really made to by played on a pc and not on an xbox. I don't really like the betraiders at valve anymore. . . . richasses .
ZERO <ibis> 14th September 2005, 03:44 Quote
wow looks wors than on my old computer from 2001 well now that i think of it the Xbox is pretty much an avrage computer from the end of 2001 lol!

hopefully this will cause the xbox nubs to relize that the computer versions of games totaly pwn and will cause at least some of them to convert. on another positive, the dumb xbox noobs will at least stop running around declaring Halo as god of all FPSs, lol Oh nubs there stupidity will never cease to amaze us lol. :) :) . I wonder what would hapon if low coast was released for the Xbox, prehaps it would over heat and blow up, or it would just display a black screen because of the lack of HDR support and then blow up for effect! :)

also a CRT will eazly PWN any HDTV for res and pic quality so those noobs can go cry to there best buy store!!
Isotopian 14th September 2005, 05:10 Quote
I did not know that HD is disabled on European xboxes- that sucks! I've got to say, playing xbox in 720p with optical surround is an infinately better experience than playing it just normally. That's majorly bogus that it's disabled over there. Maybe it's for a good reason...?

As for zero's comment regarding crts... I'll take a 720p, 42 inch screen over a crt any day.
Pookeyhead 14th September 2005, 07:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by statix
You people need to get your facts straight. TVs aren't 640x480, and to claim that they're 320x240 is even more preposterous.

High-end HDTVs can go all the way up to 1920x1080 (1080i or 1080p). Some TVs go up to 1280x720 (720p). The next-gen systems like Xbox 360 or PS3 will run games standard at 1280x720 (720p HDTV) resolution at the minimum.
And of course... all Xbox users have them plugged into a 1080i HDTV svreen :) I think not.... standard TV it is then... around 640 across max on most standard TVs.
statix 14th September 2005, 09:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pookeyhead
And of course... all Xbox users have them plugged into a 1080i HDTV svreen :) I think not.... standard TV it is then... around 640 across max on most standard TVs.
I have a 1080i HDTV. :p HDTVs in general aren't really that expensive anymore nowadays. I think they've dropped in price significantly the past couple years.
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Originally Posted by mushky
Could you do me a list please?
Of games that look better than this crap-on-a-stick port of HL2 by Valve? Sure. Try looking at Splinter Cell 3, Doom 3, Unreal Championship 2, Oddworld Stranger's Wrath, Jade Empire, Forza, and many others that I can't remember. These are some of the cream of the Xbox crop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/staticks/sc3_6.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/856/1111156187.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/staticks/oddworldstranger_7.jpg
[sinz] 14th September 2005, 10:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
also a CRT will eazly PWN any HDTV for res and pic quality so those noobs can go cry to there best buy store!!


That's funny because I have a 32 inch CRT HDTV sitting next to me. So, in that case, does my tv "pwn" itself? :)
mushky 14th September 2005, 10:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
wow looks wors than on my old computer from 2001 well now that i think of it the Xbox is pretty much an avrage computer from the end of 2001 lol!

hopefully this will cause the xbox nubs to relize that the computer versions of games totaly pwn and will cause at least some of them to convert. on another positive, the dumb xbox noobs will at least stop running around declaring Halo as god of all FPSs, lol Oh nubs there stupidity will never cease to amaze us lol. :) :) . I wonder what would hapon if low coast was released for the Xbox, prehaps it would over heat and blow up, or it would just display a black screen because of the lack of HDR support and then blow up for effect! :)

also a CRT will eazly PWN any HDTV for res and pic quality so those noobs can go cry to there best buy store!!

Each to his own really. You don't have to go round calling someone a nub just because you don't share the same opinion.

The console V PC argument is ages old and pretty boring. I can't beleive I'm even responding to your childish opinions but I'm bored.

Keep your CRT. Sit about a foot away from it, on your own, in your dark little room ;) I'll keep my 720p, 1080i projector, 7 foot screen, DD surround, and a few mates to enjoy it with me :)

When I want to play a PC game, I'll might go play on my PC. (or just hook it up to the pj)

Why can't you see the benefits of both consoles + PCs?
mushky 14th September 2005, 11:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by statix
Try looking at Splinter Cell 3, Doom 3, Unreal Championship 2, Oddworld Stranger's Wrath, Jade Empire, Forza, and many others that I can't remember. These are some of the cream of the Xbox crop.
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It's subjective really. I would agree with Jade Empire but that's glitchy, Unreal C2 possibly. I certainly wouldn't say any of them look better. Some on a par, but with the limited HL2 screens it's hard to judge.
Isotopian 14th September 2005, 12:18 Quote
I think this has turned into a 'my tv can piss farther than yours' thread. Yes, we all know that consoles and pcs both have their plusses and minuses. What else do we need to cover?
ZERO <ibis> 15th September 2005, 00:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by mushky
Each to his own really. You don't have to go round calling someone a nub just because you don't share the same opinion.

The console V PC argument is ages old and pretty boring. I can't beleive I'm even responding to your childish opinions but I'm bored.

Keep your CRT. Sit about a foot away from it, on your own, in your dark little room ;) I'll keep my 720p, 1080i projector, 7 foot screen, DD surround, and a few mates to enjoy it with me :)

When I want to play a PC game, I'll might go play on my PC. (or just hook it up to the pj)

Why can't you see the benefits of both consoles + PCs?
I do there are benefits to playing on a councal although personaly i prefer only the ones older than the N64 the newer ones are better for playing games such as GTA witch are practly imposible to play with only a keybord and mouse. Also lest remember that the refresh rate of NTSC is 32 fps so the size does not make up for the lack of fps witch is importhant win playing a fast pased FPS. I am not trying to say thatn anyone that uses a xbot or ps2 is a nub im just saying that peple that say and think that those systems are great for FPSs are.
The_Pope 15th September 2005, 03:33 Quote
I didn't get to see this running at Valve yesterday, but it did come up in our Q&A with Valve.

Essentially, Half-Life 2 has sold about 3 million copies on the PC. Microsoft have sold some 20 million Xboxes, so even if you exclude people like me who already has HL2 PC, there's a potential target market of 17 million gamers.

Half-Life 2 on Xbox is not designed to be better than the PC version, or add anything new & amazing. It's just a straight port so the Xbox-only gamers can enjoy one of the best single player games of recent years.

Valve wouldn't comment officially, but it is reasonable to expect to see Source ported to Xbox 360 and possibly other next-gen consoles. That should even the scores somewhat :)
sui_winbolo 15th September 2005, 03:51 Quote
Wow, alot of xbox hating. If it weren't for the Xbox I could never really game. There's poor people in the world that cannot afford $1000+ computer. So you can cram it. Sorry for being so blunt and rude but it's true.
Hamish 15th September 2005, 10:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
such as GTA witch are practly imposible to play with only a keybord and mouse.
what
imo the only games that are easier to play with a console joypad are beat-em-ups
everything else (bar flight-sims = joysticks, driving games = wheel) is much easier with a keyboard and mouse
i've played all of the 3d GTA series' on my mate's PS2, i cannot hit a ****ing thing with the guns
sui_winbolo 15th September 2005, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish

i've played all of the 3d GTA series' on my mate's PS2, i cannot hit a ****ing thing with the guns

The same thing with me too! Except with mouse, lol. I suck at computer gaming when I tried. I tried Halo (well by myself, my computer doesn't handle it well) and I sucked, haha. But hooked up my xbox controller, much better.
ZERO <ibis> 16th September 2005, 02:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
what
imo the only games that are easier to play with a console joypad are beat-em-ups
everything else (bar flight-sims = joysticks, driving games = wheel) is much easier with a keyboard and mouse
i've played all of the 3d GTA series' on my mate's PS2, i cannot hit a ****ing thing with the guns

so you are saying that the plane and copter are eazer to fly with a keybord and mouse vs the ps2 joystick? In reality that is the only thing that you pretty much need a joystick for in that game. and yes it is obvious that it is eazer to shoot / drive with a keybord and mouse b/c thats more simular to a FPS even though it is third person. and ok the councals are not good for playing GTA i was just strugling to think of something that they were good for but you hit the nale on the head they are for beat-em-ups.
sui_winbolo 16th September 2005, 21:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
and ok the councals are not good for playing GTA i was just strugling to think of something that they were good for but you hit the nale on the head they are for beat-em-ups.

I guess if you suck at playing Xbox or PS2 you'll suck playing GTA. I find it easy to play GTA on my Xbox. It's hard switching from platforms, if your use to playing just computer games your going to suck at playing console games. That's for sure. And vice-versa.
Hammy 17th September 2005, 19:14 Quote
looks ok but i am sure its easyier played on the PC
Sam0r 19th September 2005, 09:34 Quote
I don't think it looks too bad.

You just have to remember that HL2 uses more CPU power than other games, due to the physics engine.

So I'm guessing if they ramped up the graphics quality it'd have an adverse effect on the graphics performance, even though the GPU could take it.
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