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Originally Posted by PaulC2KFrom the review:
"Just make sure you buy the physical versions. For reasons nobody can comprehend, prices on the PSN store are a good £5 to £15 higher."
Yeah, cos Steam, Origin, GreenManGaming (Digital content), GAME (as with GMG)... they're all cheaper than the retailers arent they!? Oh, no they're not.
Personally i find that a rather idiotic comment, we all know the reason why they're more expensive and thats because they want and need to keep the retailers on-side. Its the same reason GMG will sell you a DVD of a game for £30 and the digital version for £40. Its not by choice, but by necessity and almost certainly an un-written agreement from the developer not to p*** the retailers off because they need retailers happy with the deal because they advertise and generate hype which sells their games.
Originally Posted by PaulC2KAs for PC's as a living room machine, yes theres definitely ways of getting around the handful of issues which put people off, but they're just not as user-friendly to a wide audience like consoles and some people just arent as tech-savy, you couldnt plonk a PC in a living room and expect a couple of 8-10 year olds with mates round to go through all the hassle, they'll be begging for a console within a week, regardless of the fact that the PC is the superior hardware and offers infinitely more possibilities than a console.
Theres absolutely no harm in accepting consoles are better gaming devices for a wide audience, its exactly what they're built for. PCs aren't, they're far more accomplished but at least until Steam's OS arrives, it doesnt offer the simplicity of *just* switching it on, picking a game, and playing it from the couch like a console does. IMO PC gaming is miles better, but that isnt what people are saying. Its about simplicity and doing the job its designed & purchased for.
I've barely touched my PS3 in a year (GTA5 is about it) yet im glued to my PC which sits a foot away from the PS3, but i'd have bought a PS4 in a heartbeat if there was a decent launch title, and i will buy one in about 6-9mo because they are excellent at what they do.
Originally Posted by ya93sinReceived my PS4 yesterday with Killzone, here are my first thoughts:
Really small compared to what I expected.
Mostly high quality hardware ports.
HDMI cable included.
Routing all audio through the cable (I have the PS4 hooked up to my monitor which has no speakers, PC is also hooked up on DVI).
Sound quality is very good in my opinion.
The console renders things a lot better from what I see in Killzone, very smooth framerate for the most part.
Would have liked a headphone jack for my speaker system on the console itself.
Dust shows up really easily.
Maybe just me being poorly informed, but I wasn't expecting a £40 yearly charge to play online.
If they had put hardware ports at the bottom of the back, it would have saved some space. At the top of the back, this means cables jut out even more.
I really miss the start button, the replacement option button is sometimes difficult to press quickly, you often press the touchpad by accident.
Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy but until these digital download providers can stop being so god damn greedy I'll be buying physical media.
Originally Posted by HustlerA definite purchase....just not yet.
Originally Posted by Corky42The digital distribution platforms don't set the price, the publishers do that.
Although the digital distribution platforms typically take a 30% cut from each sale, so publishers probably increase their prices accordingly.
Originally Posted by AlienwareAndyPC games can be a bloody bugger to get running. A few weeks back my lady had an issue with some indie game she bought on Steam. Something about sending in ambulances and fire engines ETC (a sim of some sort). Any way a quick Google and some ini hacking and she was up and running, but most would have just thought the game wouldn't run and not played it.
And it happens a lot with PC games. Just recently I felt like playing Mirror's Edge again. Then I found out it had issues with Physx so you had to go patch it on EA's site, but again none of this was automatic. It was all manual and took poking around the net to find the fix. Most would have just given up.
Then there's the Dirt (insert number here) bug. If you run it at a resolution the ini files store it and then if you try to run a different resolution it crashes to a black screen (if you change monitor or something). The fix? delete the INI, let it create a new one then open it with a text editor and set your new resolution manually.
But again, doesn't work automatically and again, requires time and effort put in.
All of these things are what stopped many people gaming on a PC, and with no change it's hard convincing them to come back.
Originally Posted by law99I'm playing Skyrim now with eyefinity and it took me best part of an hour to have it right. Rechoosing my mods (checking them also...), using the Flawless Widescreen app and all sorts ate into my time before I could actually play it.
If a feature like that was on the consoles you can be damn sure it would just work. Or everyone would cry about it until it was easier. Whereas PC gamers are just left to figure it out and put up with it.
Originally Posted by definedbut isn't the tinkering part of what we enjoy as pc gamers?
Originally Posted by CeiI mean, searching the depths of the internet to find a patch/registry hack/workaround because something isn't working isn't exactly a good thing for anybody to be doing, and consoles offer a "plug and play" experience.
Originally Posted by Corky42No one is forces people to use mods, isn't the point of an open system that you have a choice ?
Originally Posted by jrs77Choices are all nice and dandy, but you don't modify boardgames or sports either.
Improving graphics is one thing, but changing the gameplay is something totally different.
The biggest problem with modding is the cheats and hacks and these things are basically nonexistant on a console, which is why I'd actually prefer to play games on the console, if it wasn't for the controls.
Originally Posted by GeorgeStormI presume you're just talking about multiplayer games then? Since obviously for single player games you just choose not to if you don't want to change the gameplay (you can do the same in multiplayer as well obviously)
Originally Posted by Corky42If the changes to the sport or the boardgame are sanctioned by everyone playing or the governing body they are, when you play monopoly do you have a auction if you land on an unowned space that you can either not afford or choose not to buy ? do you use the Railway Service rule ? Do you think all sports have remained unchanged since their inception ?
If you think hacking on consoles is basically nonexistent you need to do a search on Google for "aimbot xbox" or any other multiplayer related hacks for consoles.
Originally Posted by jrs77Nope, I'm talking games in general. How else could we compare each other, if everyone plays a different version of Tomb Raider or whatever?
It's the highscores that count, and they only count if everyone plays the same game. Even in singleplayer-games... remember those Pac-Man, Space Invaders or pinball-machines where you were proud if your initials were on top of the list.
I'm playing any game like I would play a game of soccer in the premier league... allways competitive and not just for the fun of it. I wan't to win, that's the sole point of gaming for me.
And yes, there's some hacks for the consoles, but if you get caught, then you get your hardware banned, and not just your account.
Originally Posted by SnipsBuilt correctly, not at all.
Originally Posted by jinq-seaQuote:Originally Posted by SnipsBuilt correctly, not at all.
Err, building a PC properly doesn't make it not convert electrical energy into heat energy, unless by some amazing quirk of fate you can make it run at 100% efficiency in building it 'correctly'.
Chips, by their very nature, require cooling because they get hot. PC or games console? It's the same. Games console manufacturers may not provide sufficient heat dissipation, granted, but whatever happens it'll get hot...
Originally Posted by SchizoFrogI can't agree with your argument there. You know a PC or Console needs a processor to run so you factor that in to the design. You should also know that these things get hot and therefore you should factor in cooling to the design to. So I agree that should you design and build a PC or Console correctly then they should not be overheating. Components produce heat as a by product of their functions but they will only get hot if there is not adequate cooling methods to dissipate that heat.
Originally Posted by SchizoFrogQuote:Originally Posted by CeiI mean, searching the depths of the internet to find a patch/registry hack/workaround because something isn't working isn't exactly a good thing for anybody to be doing, and consoles offer a "plug and play" experience.
Can I ask what all these 'patch/registry hack/workarounds' are and why they are needed? I build my PCs, install the OS and drivers and anything else I need and then the games last. My PC just works. Patches are available for both PC games and Console games and with systems like Steam they are also automatic much like they are for consoles, but I have never ever had to 'search the depths of the internet' for anything to make my PC 'just work'. Unless I can be told otherwise, all these difficulties arise when you are trying to do specific things that a basic PC doesn't 'require' and wouldn't be available through console use in the first place.
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