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Gran Turismo 5 Review

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Jasio 30th November 2010, 07:53 Quote
I guess I'm a tad biased because I've always been a GT fan -- but I have to agree with some of the major gripes with this particular release, particularly the painful long wait time and the general feeling of "Meh". It's still a great game, but I can get a similar (graphic) fix in almost any other modern racer.

Also - Dear, Bit-Tech why do you always post articles at exactly the same time I check the site? I've been the top commenter way too often >.>
Memnoch-fr 30th November 2010, 07:53 Quote
After reading the article, I was expecting a better score than 7. Ah well, except for long loading screens the part that interests me (SP) seems good enough :)
xaser04 30th November 2010, 08:10 Quote
Quick question for anyone who actually has GT5: Out of the 1,000 or so cars how many are actually unique? Is it a case like previous GT's that there are a large number of cars but only really 100 or so once you remove the duplicates?

I will most likely purchase GT5 as I enjoy racing games in general (and GT5 does sound good, not ground breaking but good) but I can't help but think that the extremely long production time is unjustified when compared to the likes of Forza 3.
Plugs 30th November 2010, 08:29 Quote
Based on that review I'd have given it an 8.
Great gameplay, not so great menu's, disappointing additions (damage), no online tie-in

its the gameplay that matters to me, menus i can deal with, and damage isnt a huge thing (if you try not to crash)
mi1ez 30th November 2010, 08:31 Quote
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Particularly as watching a procession of cars make their way around a track isn’t overly interesting, as Formula One consistently proves.
Well, someone's not been watching this season!
Spanky 30th November 2010, 08:45 Quote
I think ive got a lot to say about this even though i have not even played it. To say the least it looks beutiful and stunning and you cant really help be taken with it in that way. However calling it a 'real driving simulator' is a tad OTT, in fact its not even bloody close.

If the reviews had come along and said WOW this really is somthing else i might of been convinced to go out and buy a PS3 with this game, im a mad fanatical sim racer and have been for a very long time. I so wanted this to happen.

Why cant these guys make a SIM for SIM racers rather than somthing that your granny can pick up christmas day and win her first race? Why do they do this! I desperatly want a sim that looks like this and drives and feels as good as it looks, the compatition... the fight.. none of these things seem preasent.

If i could advise anyone who's into hardcore sim racing is just stick to Rfactor, you wont get your pants pulled down over the price and the mods for it are just mind blowing! Made by men with beards who live in sheds, and they do it out of love and not some shiney coin for their pockets. Race2play.com is my home,my love, my life and i wish i could convert the 'arcade' racer into bringing the real fight to the table.


Just my 2cents :D
Siwini 30th November 2010, 08:45 Quote
Takes too much time.. * that, I stick with nfs
g3n3tiX 30th November 2010, 08:51 Quote
At least it's out, we can start talking about DNF again ! (/troll; /offtopic)
With too much delays there is a point where the quality of the game just doesn't improve anymore. (talking about GT5)
general22 30th November 2010, 08:55 Quote
As somebody who owns GT5 ill give my mini review.

Pros

- Physics are superb, turn off all the assists and its great fun although I would recommend a wheel to control the cars effectively.
- "Premium Cars" are awesome. Great interior views on those and top notch graphics.
- Tracks look good in general if a little sparse but most of the real life tracks are pretty sparse anyway.
- Heaps more supercars in this game and newer cars as is the norm with a new iteration of GT.
- B-spec mode is a good bit of fun now that it has been overhauled.

Cons

- The remaining 800 or so Standard cars can vary from decent to cut and paste from GT4. It is good that they are in the game but they aren't up to the level of the Premium cars and let the game down overall. None of them have an interior view either. However the driving physics are still fine on them though.

-Online is a bit silly at the moment. It's technically smooth and pretty lag free but there are no car restrictions and other features you expect from an online racer.

- Menus are **** and illogical. I think they have gotten worse since GT4.


Also there are a few duplicates but there really is a huge variety of cars in GT5. Load times are decent once you do the initial install.
xaser04 30th November 2010, 08:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spanky


Why cant these guys make a SIM for SIM racers rather than somthing that your granny can pick up christmas day and win her first race? Why do they do this! I desperatly want a sim that looks like this and drives and feels as good as it looks, the compatition... the fight.. none of these things seem preasent.

The problem with them making a proper sim is that they could end up alienating casual gamers who want a racing game that *feels* like a sim but at the end of the day is just a game.

Unfortunately for those who want a pure Sim the casual market is far bigger and thus thats where the money is.

TBH though for me I would prefer a more casual game that can *feel* like a sim. If I want to drive I will actually go out and drive on some good driving roads (A4069 over the Brecons FTW).
Gunsmith 30th November 2010, 09:03 Quote
there are times when I want something more then Dirt 2 but not as hardcore as GTR2.

GT5 fits that gap nicely.
exceededgoku 30th November 2010, 09:22 Quote
The graphics are terrible, I think you're all confused by what happens when replay mode and photo mode is activated. The fix is just tons of blur and post processing. Whilst you're playing the graphics are horrid, but that's not a big problem to be honest. Woldn't really expect any better from a 7900GT. Overall though the games alright, definitely feels like I've got a beta build but I enjoy it which is what matters right?
Forza 4 will be better, no doubt about it. Especially since FM3 has soo many better things going for it than GT5. Standard cars are horrible to use, I always drive in cockpit view and how can I call this game a "real driving simulator" when my driver is attached to the front bumper on a 8 bit representation of a car?
tozsam 30th November 2010, 09:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04


The problem with them making a proper sim is that they could end up alienating casual gamers who want a racing game that *feels* like a sim but at the end of the day is just a game.

Unfortunately for those who want a pure Sim the casual market is far bigger and thus thats where the money is.

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TBH they could do whatever they wanted to the GT fransise and everybody would still buy it. It's the PS primary IP atm.

Personally I will not go out and buy a PS3 for this game. If it gets released on PC, as there were hints of, then thats a different story, till then I'll stick to rfactor.
Krikkit 30th November 2010, 09:52 Quote
Completely agree with this review. I get annoyed by some other issues, but it's definitely a wasted opportunity on Sony's part imo. I might even bump it down to 6/10.

p.s. Braking != Breaking (page 2, 2nd sentence) and GT has always had licences.
Er-El 30th November 2010, 09:58 Quote
Thank goodness for Bit-Tech's review scores that actually reflect what's said in the review.
Jamie 30th November 2010, 09:58 Quote
I'm yet to play this game properly yet but Forza 2 was one of my favourite driving games, just the right amount of realism, customisation and fun.
liratheal 30th November 2010, 10:01 Quote
Personally, I think the AI is a complete bag of arse.

I am not a racing driver, I am not a driving simulator driver, I'm a crashing simulator driver.

Put me behind the wheel in Burnout Paradise and I rule the roost.

Put me behind the wheel in Gran Turismo, I should be crappy.

However, GT5 - In the events I can enter :/ - I'm winning with an unnerving regularity. In fact, so far, the only race I've entered and come less than first was when I cam second in the VW camper van race on the Top Gear circuit, and that was because some gitface shunted me and I missed my chance to overtake on Gambon.

I spend more time pratting around in the NASCAR grade cars in Arcade than anything, because the notion of spinning out at 200mph in 4th gear is too fun to pass up.

I enjoy the game, but not for the reasons I ought to enjoy the game. So far.

Oh, and is it just me that's bored to tears by that B-Spec thing?
memeroot 30th November 2010, 10:20 Quote
whats the damage like? are there realy higher levels?
mpr 30th November 2010, 10:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by memeroot
whats the damage like? are there realy higher levels?

Physical and Mechanical damage affects the cars in various ways from performance, handling, and aerodynamics... supposedly... I haven't got that far yet.
rollo 30th November 2010, 10:49 Quote
load times of around 10-15seconds a race are anoying but not overly worrying

pros for gt 5

some of the cars are a dream to drive and you get a mazda concept car around level 9 in b spec and its easily one of the best cars in the game. Im only level 18 myself and thats after some big amount of hours into it.

The licences you dont need to do but you get free cars and it saves you alot of money the first car i brought was a 400k lambo, after that was a mini cooper lol.

graphics are better than the competition from forza 3 which i do own.

cons

if you want an online game this isnt for you
used dealership is very confusing
if you want all golds in special event and licence prepare for pain.

not unlocked damage yet but unless you crash your way around i dont see how it will be a big pro or con either way.

cant wait for endurance league to be honest.

outside of wow ive played GT for more hours than any other game recently, main reason is i dont really play alot of console games online and im unlikely to take GT online unless some of my m8s want car specific racers that we can set up and do as we wish.

and any idea how you unlock the x1 prototype as i need that car lol
Nikols 30th November 2010, 10:52 Quote
Reinstalled F1 2010 yesterday and played Melbourne on a wet race. After restarting it about 15 times to try and make it out of the first lap with my nose cone or not spinning out on a slippery curb I finally got my virgin car in the zone and thus ensued the race of my life against sutill. For 3 laps we were neck and neck with inches between us. With zero visibility i was hunting down my braking markers as missing one could mean a spin or trip to the gravel. He was faster on the straight but i had him in turns 11 and 12. In the end I finally beat him to 10th. Never before have I got such an adrenaline rush from scoring 1 point in a race.... Think I'll pass and keep playing F1!
hexx 30th November 2010, 11:04 Quote
i have both gt5 prologue and gt5 and what i don't like about gt5 when compared to prologue are slower loading times and definitely menus - prologue had so much nicer interface/menus and jumping from section to section happens in no time where in full gt5 everything takes ages. simply prologue was like a beautiful glamorous girl and the new one is like a silly chic who tries to impress - but once you're on the track you forget all this and it's simply just jooooooy!!! i use driving force gt whell from logitech and so far completed everything with all driving aids off ;) - it makes it more challenging.

but be warned - this game is highly addictive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tron 30th November 2010, 11:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spanky
... calling it a 'real driving simulator' is a tad OTT, in fact its not even bloody close.

You see, that's the thing: Gran Turismo is a "Driving" Simulator and not a "Racing" Simulator.

I would not recommend this game to those who really want a racing challenge, and those who heavily follow real world racing championships. For those people, I would recommend F1 2010 or even Forza would be better.

I look at Gran Turismo as more of a kind of "Test Driving" game, where you can get to "try out" a wide selection of cars, some of which you may even already own or may consider buying in real life.

I agree with this review. There are many issues.

Most races in this game can be very boring. However, this is a problem I have found with most "tuning" car games, but more so with Gran Turismo.

The problem is that I don't even want to tune up my car in this game, because my car will end up two laps ahead of the 2nd car. It feels, like other reviews have described, as if I am effectively racing against myself and doing Time Trial after Time Trial.

To be honest, I have always preferred racing games, such as GRID or GTR2 (FIA GT) that more closely resemble real world racing championships. The reason is that they have strict regulations regarding which cars can race each other in each category. The idea is to make races as close and exciting as possible.

Therefore, to me, there is a fundamental flaw with games that provide, or encourage, extensive car tuning and parts-upgrading.

That's not to say Gran Turismo is not good. It's just not what I play for serious racing.

Graphically, there's a slight disappointment. There was a lot of hype over the years of development. In some tracks, it looks like a HD PS2 Gran Turismo. The premium car models are very good though.

Car Damage, or the car damage that I have seen so far, seems limited to a selection of cars. I have driven into walls at over 100mph just to test the car damage and found no more than a few scratches on the front. But, to be honest, I was never expecting damage to be all that great.

The bigger issue I have over the "limited" car damage (which is similar to the issue I have with Need For Speed: Shift) is that the age old problem of bumping into barriers and rebounding is here still. You can still use the vehicles ahead as brakes with not much consequence. I haven't played online, but I have always disliked Gran Turismo online, partly for this problem of cars bouncing off walls or using your leading car as a brake.

To call this game a "Driving Simulator" is probably an accurate term. Because it quite accurately simulates "Driving" rather than "Racing".

Although you could still question the "Driving Simulator" claim as well, questioning whether real cars can slam into a wall at 100+ mph and all you see or hear is a quiet "thump", then drive off happily like nothing happened. I haven't tested yet whether it is as ridiculous as Need For Speed Shift where their cars cannot be totaled, but what I have seen so far is bad.

The AI cars are very dumb. They drive as if they have no awareness of your car. Plus they don't really try to overtake each other much.

Cockpit View is not available on some cars.

Overall, it's a good game, but mostly for car collecting, admiring some cars, or seeing how different cars handle. However, for "racing", there are much better games for that.
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Originally Posted by Nikols
Reinstalled F1 2010 yesterday and played Melbourne on a wet race. After restarting it about 15 times to try and make it out of the first lap with my nose cone or not spinning out on a slippery curb I finally got my virgin car in the zone and thus ensued the race of my life against sutill. For 3 laps we were neck and neck with inches between us. With zero visibility i was hunting down my braking markers as missing one could mean a spin or trip to the gravel. He was faster on the straight but i had him in turns 11 and 12. In the end I finally beat him to 10th. Never before have I got such an adrenaline rush from scoring 1 point in a race.... Think I'll pass and keep playing F1!
SchizoFrog 30th November 2010, 11:13 Quote
This is one of the most pointless reviews ever... Now, before you start attacking me, my comment is not about this article or even Bit-Tech... Moreover it is about the hype and selling power of the GT series. This game could be a load of tripe and it will still proceed to be one of the biggest selling games ever.

@Spanky, In my opinion there hasn't been a 'difficult' racing sim since the days of TOCA 1 and 2... The point is that they do not wish to make a game that only a small percentage will be able to play, let alone enjoy... They want to make games they can SELL, and right now it is all about style over substance and not just in the games industry.
hexx 30th November 2010, 11:34 Quote
now all i need is test drive unlimited 2 :) so i have a driving sim and a free roam game
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